Scrimmage take...

[TheSwagger1]

What agenda?

The only agenda I’m seeing now is your obsessive agenda of repeating the same thing over and over again, like someone with OCD.

Rick is the head guy, so yeah, he’s responsible for everything. Buck stops with him. What else is new?

I mean, I don’t know. What else would you like to add?

Are you suggesting pitchforks? Tarring and feathering? A protest? Where exactly are you going with this?

Or do you just want to jump up and down and whine?

How about just relaxed discussion without people throwing tantrums about differences in opinion? That would be a good place for you to start.

 

[Combo]

The excuse machine is warming up. “Rosier sucks thats why the offense doesnt work”.

Hes had three recruiting classes plus the transfer wire and JUCOs to get a QB that isnt a baseball player.

He put all his eggs in the Perry basket, and if Perry sucks, thats terrible evaluation.

Bottom line is in year 3 Richt owns this team. Anyone who is arguing otherwise is not a Cane fan, but a Richt fan.

Do you realize we just had our best season in 13 years? Yes, I'm worried about the QB situation, but it's hard to deny that we're improving.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

How about just relaxed discussion without people throwing tantrums about differences in opinion? That would be a good place for you to start.

Great idea.

Who’s the one throwing a tantrum, btw?

How about a certain mods relaxing and not following a certain poster around just because he doesn’t like his posts, or maybe because that poster challenged the mod on one of his opinions and the mod didn’t like it.

That might be a good place for you to start.

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[dookie blaylock]

I agree with you on all points, Chise.

Physically-gifted QBs rarely turn out elite. I was living in Chicago and saw Brady Quinn up close. Was one of the most impressively built QBs I've ever seen in person along with John Elway. But Brady was *** as a passing QB. Same with Tebow - built like a LB, and played QB like a LB, too - which is why he ultimately sucked outside of Urban's system.

The best QBs are the worst physical specimens as football players, but their eliteness is between their ears and whichever arm they throw from. And their ability to make good, fast decisions and throw the ball accurately is something they flash early - it just gets honed as they go along.

Perry put up great stats in high school, but he was not groomed for the pro style offense like Jarren has. Perry was much more raw coming out of high school. That said, he should be farther along at this point and making Rosier sweat for his position.

Only a matter before Jarren is our guy. I hope he continues to improve.

to quinn's credit, he was drafted by the browns, then derek anderson decided to look like a great qb that year, and then he got hurt, all in just over a year. i still think he could've been something special if he had gone just about anywhere but cleveland.

 

[Tony Perps]

The excuse machine is warming up. “Rosier sucks thats why the offense doesnt work”.

Hes had three recruiting classes plus the transfer wire and JUCOs to get a QB that isnt a baseball player.

He put all his eggs in the Perry basket, and if Perry sucks, thats terrible evaluation.

Bottom line is in year 3 Richt owns this team. Anyone who is arguing otherwise is not a Cane fan, but a Richt fan.

My god you are a horrible poster. You are incapable of having an actual football discussion and you just want to argue about coaches.

 

[Loose Cannon]

I'll believe it when I see them CONSISTENTLY run against QUALITY teams. Duke , while improved, isn't what I consider an elite defense. Why the **** weren't these plays run A LOT more often against teams like FSU and Wisconsin and such? It wasn't until we started throw more slants in the second half of that FSU game that we actually started to get any semblance of an offense going.

When you play tough teams they usually do a good job of taking away big plays. How you make them pay is giving the ball to guys like Richards and Thomas on short routes in the middle of the field where they can use their vision and RAC God given abilities to weave through traffic.

Sorry to keep harping on this but it's THE thing that drives me crazy about Richt. If he would just adapt his **** offense to attack the middle of the field more we'd see a BIG change and it would really help a limited guy like Rosier out....A LOT.

Just keep moving them goalposts, bro. Nobody will notice.

You said that the next shallow cross we run will be the first we've run since Richt got here. Then my guy takes about 10 minutes digging through highlight reel to find several, and suddenly you argument is, "Well we don't run them consistently against quality teams." Just stop. You're only fooling people who are already more stupid than you. You ought to set better goals for yourself.

 

[TheSwagger1]

Great idea.

Who’s the one throwing a tantrum, btw?

How about a certain mods relaxing and not following a certain poster around just because he doesn’t like his posts, or maybe because that poster challenged the mod on one of his opinions and the mod didn’t like it.

That might be a good place for you to start.

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You throw tantrums, cursing and whining about "mods" like I have an official duty to kiss *** because I help make sure spammers aren't on the board. Go review our last exchange from the top down and the picture's clear.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

You throw tantrums, cursing and whining about "mods" like I have an official duty to kiss *** because I help make sure spammers aren't on the board. Go review our last exchange from the top down and the picture's clear.

Who’s the one doing the whining? You’re the mod with the least chill and the thinnest skin I’ve ever encountered.

I showed you up a couple of days ago and you just can’t let it go. I know it hurts, but just take it like a man let it go and walk away. It happens to the best of us.

 

[404CANES]

good question. he could have also been sacked because he held onto the ball too long

But CMR said the tackles just got ran by

 

[STG]

Not a good analogy. You can't compare QB numbers from 15-20 years ago to QB numbers today. The rules are different and offenses have changed drastically. There's much less downfield contact allowed and offenses are more likely to use screens and underneath routes out of spread formations. ****, Richt called at least 4 to 5 WR screens per game last year. That should be 5 free completions. A much better comparison would be comparing Rosier's completion % in 2017 to other FBS QBs in 2017. When you do that, you see he is drastically lacking in that category. 55% in 2018 won't cut the mustard.

Who said 54% of 55% in 2018 would cut it? If you read closely, I said that in order for Malik to be better than the majority of the QB's on that list his Senior year, he needs to complete 1.75 more passes per 32 attempts. That is the amount of attempts he averaged per game last year. If he were to do that, he would be at 59%. Which is MORE than enough in order for us to have more success this year IMO. So people now think it is out of the question to complete 1.75 more passes per 32 attempts? If he would have finished at 59% in 2017, he would have been ranked 60th out of 130 QBs. Just above the middle of the pack. Considering the talent he has around him at the skill positions, if he is able to do that, I think the rest of the guys will make up for his deficiency as an inaccurate QB.

With all of that being said, funny how everyone simply focuses on the completion percentage. Is it an issue? **** yes it is. Is it something that needs to be improved upon? **** yes it does. But why is everyone ignoring these other major statistical categories? You think a QB who has never taken a college snap is going to easily replace those numbers?

26 passing TDs - 4th most ever by a UM QB
5 rushing TDs - most ever by a UM QB
31 total TDs - most ever by a UM QB
427 rushing yards - most ever by a UM QB
3,120 passing yards - 9th most ever by a UM QB

 

[MiamiChris]

Not gonna lie fellas, my buddy @cutdacheck and I left a little bummed after this practice/scrimmage, particularly about the offense.

Some thoughts...


*Perry's not the guy. I thought he looked okay a couple weeks ago but after seeing him in live action today it's no bueno. I know that's gonna disappoint a lot of people that thought he'd be our savior but i eluded to his flaws when watching his high school tape. He wasn't coached, he was playing junkyard ball. (toss it up!)
I'm gonna call this now - he will eventually be passed up by Williams and transfer. (joking, but not really) That's a little hyperbole but I do believe he will be passed by Williams. He's a massive project and rumor is that he doesn't even take anything seriously. (I think somebody stated that on here before as well) The lightbulb may turn on eventually but RIGHT NOW Williams shows more promise.

*Rosier. LOL. (that's all)

*Dallas was ballin today. I know some of us wanted to see him at WR or CB but he's a RB all day but should still be used all over the offense. He's a toolbox.

*None of the other RB's could find any running room. I was extremely impressed with Lingard a couple weeks ago but I left today's practice slightly underwhelmed. I found the flaw in his game today - he's got zero wiggle. They threw him several swing passes in the flats (and other than one time) he couldn't make the defender miss in the open field. Not only did he have the ball in the wrong arm at times but he doesn't use his arm length to keep tacklers away from his body. He allows a single defender to get into his personal space and bring him right to the ground. I still think he's elite but I see him as a slasher, he just needs a vertical crease to get going. I'm sure Coach Brown will refine these weaknesses though. Kid should still be in high school.

*Not a great day for Cager. Had a few catches but had a chance to bring down a fade in the endzone and dropped it. Not sure why we're throwing him bubble screens either.

*Jeff Thomas. That is all.

*Our defense still can't cover the middle of the field. Just forget about it. It's always gonna be a weakness.

*Either our OL is complete trash or our DL is flat-out nasty. I think it's a bit of both. Ford and Willis looked great today and our DE rotation is SICK. Coach Simpson has got those boys playing lights out. Patchan and Rousseau were EATING today. Maybe I'm just excited but ***** it, I'm calling it now, Rousseau is only gonna be here 3 years and then he's going 1st round. (joking, but not really) Our QB's had no time to throw today.

*I know, I know... Mark Richt has been coaching for 78 years and blah blah blah. He needs to hire an OC. We show zero innovation on offense. Despite not having adequate time to throw, we made no effort to establish any "quick game". (I don't think I saw a hitch thrown all day) We also didn't roll the pocket one single time from my recollection. You have no time to throw + young inexperienced/inaccurate QB's...run some sprint-out and change his launching point...buy him some time to throw and give him easy reads. We don't really do a great job of utilizing space IMO.

*Saw our young LB's make a few plays. Jennings, Steed and Wilder.

*Harley caught a deep ball. He fast!

*Wiggins "Mossed" Ivey for a TD. It was nice.

*I thought our starting OL looked decent but anything outside of that... Not good.
Hillery is an impressive looking dude though! Needs to be one of the first players getting off the bus.

*Saw Lamar Miller, Sean Spence, Travis Benjamin and "two zero E-Reed boiiiiii" out there today. That was cool.



That's about it off the top of my head.

Appreciate the update, it’s only Spring and I’d rather have the D killing people.

 

[Zanecane]

Because thats more of our horribly innacurate qb having to throw with timing into the teeth of the defenses coverage... you really wanna see that happen. I dont think we as a fan base truly comprehend just how innacurate malik is as a qb. U wanna throw any timing routes into that as well(no matter how basic)

What percentage of the playbook is Richt using with Malik and what percentage of the playbook was being used with Kaaya under center?

If Richt knew Malik wasn't the answer why didnt he go after a transfer? Look what Stidham did for Auburn. Or do you think that this is a normal part of the process and the QB room is on track?

 

[ThomasM]

Who said 54% of 55% in 2018 would cut it? If you read closely, I said that in order for Malik to be better than the majority of the QB's on that list his Senior year, he needs to complete 1.75 more passes per 32 attempts. That is the amount of attempts he averaged per game last year. If he were to do that, he would be at 59%. Which is MORE than enough in order for us to have more success this year IMO. So people now think it is out of the question to complete 1.75 more passes per 32 attempts? If he would have finished at 59% in 2017, he would have been ranked 60th out of 130 QBs. Just above the middle of the pack. Considering the talent he has around him at the skill positions, if he is able to do that, I think the rest of the guys will make up for his deficiency as an inaccurate QB.

With all of that being said, funny how everyone simply focuses on the completion percentage. Is it an issue? **** yes it is. Is it something that needs to be improved upon? **** yes it does. But why is everyone ignoring these other major statistical categories? You think a QB who has never taken a college snap is going to easily replace those numbers?

26 passing TDs - 4th most ever by a UM QB
5 rushing TDs - most ever by a UM QB
31 total TDs - most ever by a UM QB
427 rushing yards - most ever by a UM QB
3,120 passing yards - 9th most ever by a UM QB

To me it comes down to 3rd down passing. We can not win anything meaningful by getting 3.6 3rd down conversions a game. I'm less concerned with whether he completes 54 or 58% of his passes, but rather if he completes them when it matters.

Yeah, a higher completion percentage SHOULD mean for first downs on 1st and 2nd. That would be a good start. Crapping the bed on 3rd down all game long, however, kind of makes those 3 yard completions on 1st and 2nd downs meaningless. We need to keep the chains moving.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Honest questions. Do you think Rosier performed well all season? Do you think we can do better than Rosier at the position?

You see, people like to talk about those 10 wins because we haven't done it in a while, but truth be told, with good QB play we win 12, and are in the playoffs. Rosier didn't carry this team. Yes, he made some big plays, but had he played well we wouldn't have needed comebacks and miracles to beat some of those teams. This team, and every good football team, needs consistent play from the QB position. There's nothing more disheartening to a team than a QB missing opportunities that are there. It wears on them.

Look at the 99 Canes team. Just a couple years removed from 5-7. We should have been doing backflips. Instead, we were watching some pretty terrible QB play. Only when Dorsey came in did the team take off. Same exact thing right now. Ironically, Kenny Kelly completed 54.4% of his passes that year. Rosier this year? 54.0% Dorsey came in and completed 61.7% at the end of 1999 and the team set a record for most points in 3 games. It's a really big deal, getting those completions. Rosier is not a 60% completion guy, and that's what we need. And quite honestly, with the plays being called that % should be closer to 65%.

If you're happy with stalled drives and missed wide open WRs, good for you. I've been around long enough to know what good QB play looks like, and we didn't see it last year.

The problem with what you're saying here and the reality of the situation is that Ken Dorsey isn't sitting on the bench waiting for his shot. We have N'Kosi Perry, who by everything he's shown is no more accurate than Rosier, doesn't have as firm a grasp on the offense, and loves to throw a pick and take a sack.

I don't think anybody on this board is denying that better QB play would have likely led us to a playoff spot last season. What I'm saying, and I think what most others are saying is that this better QB play was nowhere to be found on our bench, and that 10-3 could have easily been 8-5 or 7-6. People want to refer to the FSU game and GaTech games and pretend they were won on a miracle throw, and that's all. I'm not giving Rosier credit for anymore than what he did, but I'm also not going to sit back and hear people say he was the sole reason those games were close. Rosier did not give up 17 points in the 4th quarter against FSU. Our defense did. Rosier also did not botch an onside kick and put us in a hole against GaTech.

This nonsense that we won 10 games in spite of Rosier is ridiculous. We beat FSU in spite of our defense coming apart in the 4th quarter, and we beat GaTech in spite of our defense and special teams putting us in a 24-13 hole. I have zero confidence that we win either of those games with the QBs on our bench. Do we finish strong on the road in Chapel Hill with Evan Shirreffs? Do we rally from behind against Virginia to score 30 unanswered points with N'Kosi Perry?

What kind of recruiting class do we close with if we go 7-5 or 6-6 instead of 10-3? Until somebody can show a better ability to give us a chance to win games, you can't justify making a change. Those young guys have between now and September 2nd to prove that they have what it takes to lead us beyond the Coastal Division.

 

[Colombie]

What could help us in the third down conversions department is:

!) Being less predictable formation wise. It seemed like for a majority of the season after Walton went down we went a lot of 4 or 5 wide which is way too obvious what we are going to do. With better personnel (FB, TE's) we can shift things up especially in the redzone as Rosier mentioned in an article a few weeks back.

2) Running the football with better a OL and a better stable of backs.

 

[ThomasM]

The problem with what you're saying here and the reality of the situation is that Ken Dorsey isn't sitting on the bench waiting for his shot. We have N'Kosi Perry, who by everything he's shown is no more accurate than Rosier, doesn't have as firm a grasp on the offense, and loves to throw a pick and take a sack.

I don't think anybody on this board is denying that better QB play would have likely led us to a playoff spot last season. What I'm saying, and I think what most others are saying is that this better QB play was nowhere to be found on our bench, and that 10-3 could have easily been 8-5 or 7-6. People want to refer to the FSU game and GaTech games and pretend they were won on a miracle throw, and that's all. I'm not giving Rosier credit for anymore than what he did, but I'm also not going to sit back and hear people say he was the sole reason those games were close. Rosier did not give up 17 points in the 4th quarter against FSU. Our defense did. Rosier also did not botch an onside kick and put us in a hole against GaTech.

This nonsense that we won 10 games in spite of Rosier is ridiculous. We beat FSU in spite of our defense coming apart in the 4th quarter, and we beat GaTech in spite of our defense and special teams putting us in a 24-13 hole. I have zero confidence that we win either of those games with the QBs on our bench. Do we finish strong on the road in Chapel Hill with Evan Shirreffs? Do we rally from behind against Virginia to score 30 unanswered points with N'Kosi Perry?

What kind of recruiting class do we close with if we go 7-5 or 6-6 instead of 10-3? Until somebody can show a better ability to give us a chance to win games, you can't justify making a change. Those young guys have between now and September 2nd to prove that they have what it takes to lead us beyond the Coastal Division.

We beat an FSU team... yay. The same FSU team BC beat by 32. What a huge accomplishment. That game isn't close with decent QB play.

Our next QB doesn't have to be a Dorsey clone, but rather simply capable of getting the job done. I believe that QB is JW.

 

[Loose Cannon]

We beat an FSU team... yay. The same FSU team BC beat by 32. What a huge accomplishment. That game isn't close with decent QB play.

Our next QB doesn't have to be a Dorsey clone, but rather simply capable of getting the job done. I believe that QB is JW.

You can't say that because you can't know that. If, if, if.

If the defense doesn't give up 17 4th quarter points we beat FSU 24-3.
If Rosier doesn't have a GOOD 2nd half, and Berrios doesn't have a GREAT 2nd half, we lose that game 20-0.

 

[PanteraCanes]

If Richt knew Malik wasn't the answer why did he go after a transfer? Look what Stidham did for Auburn. Or do you think that this is a normal part of the process and the QB room is on track?

From my understanding he had hoped that Jack Allison would of taken the job last year but he wasn't separating himself enough and then when they tried to use a little bit of pressure through the media to motivate him he just bolted. Little disappointing but I guess if he couldn't hand some pressure around this time then how would he have done in live games?

Pretty sure this year he is hoping that Perry or Weldon will take the job. Possibly also Williams. He is going to go with the best option but I am sure if he could have a magic wand to have a clear cut winner it would be Perry or Weldon.

So he has had the QBs he was hoping to take over. Not sure what would prompt him to go after someone else unless they were a really special talent worth upsetting that. Maybe they went after Eason, or maybe they didn't? I guess the question would be what transfer out there would you have wanted them to go after? Will that transfer be able to play this year?

 

[Loose Cannon]

And I'm still failing to see how on the same board people can both complain about the QB missing wide open receivers AND the HC calling the wrong plays. It can't be both. If you have receivers running open consistently enough, and being missed enough, that it is a noticeable problem worth complaining about, then there couldn't have very much been wrong with the play call.

This idea that Richt should be able to scheme around the weaknesses of the QB is laughable when that weakness is inaccuracy. As if consistently throwing screen and swing passes in the dirt can be fixed by simply changing those to shallow crosses and quick slants. But I guess that makes about as much sense as trying to fix accuracy issues with pre-snap motion.

 

[404CANES]

Who said 54% of 55% in 2018 would cut it? If you read closely, I said that in order for Malik to be better than the majority of the QB's on that list his Senior year, he needs to complete 1.75 more passes per 32 attempts. That is the amount of attempts he averaged per game last year. If he were to do that, he would be at 59%. Which is MORE than enough in order for us to have more success this year IMO. So people now think it is out of the question to complete 1.75 more passes per 32 attempts? If he would have finished at 59% in 2017, he would have been ranked 60th out of 130 QBs. Just above the middle of the pack. Considering the talent he has around him at the skill positions, if he is able to do that, I think the rest of the guys will make up for his deficiency as an inaccurate QB.

With all of that being said, funny how everyone simply focuses on the completion percentage. Is it an issue? **** yes it is. Is it something that needs to be improved upon? **** yes it does. But why is everyone ignoring these other major statistical categories? You think a QB who has never taken a college snap is going to easily replace those numbers?

26 passing TDs - 4th most ever by a UM QB
5 rushing TDs - most ever by a UM QB
31 total TDs - most ever by a UM QB
427 rushing yards - most ever by a UM QB
3,120 passing yards - 9th most ever by a UM QB

Numbers lie in this case...tell me what game #12 outplayed the opposing qb outside of ND