Scrimmage Report (Palm Beach)

[millertime26]

My God for the last time no more mention of 1999 !!!! Lol

Remember how thin we were at WR before Coker got canned? Our WR depth is GOOD compared to back then, and that's not counting the good WRs coming in this summer. We're fine there. CB is another issue. We need to pray for no injuries. Also, we need to hope Kaaya can just plain light everyone up. Do that and everyone will be playing catch up all game long. That's how FSU would beat teams back in the day when Richt was running their O. Here's hoping it happens again.

On a side note, I was at the FSU spring game going into the 1999 season, and FSU's secondary was terrible. All they did was win the national title that year. Here's hoping Richt has that kind of season here. I personally think he can.

for Miami to be thin at WR or CB, much less both, will never be short of unbelievable.

 

[Canesince91]

There was some mention earlier about Bryson Echols being a guy we took as a transfer from Texas in addition to Colbert. Echols is a pure corner, and though I don't know if he'd play over Redwine, he'd probably be in competition for the #3 spot behind Corn/Redwine. Anyone know what's up with him?

Really? haven't seen this anywhere would be more than ok with it....We need CB Depth bad.

 

[TheSwagger1]

There was some mention earlier about Bryson Echols being a guy we took as a transfer from Texas in addition to Colbert. Echols is a pure corner, and though I don't know if he'd play over Redwine, he'd probably be in competition for the #3 spot behind Corn/Redwine. Anyone know what's up with him?

Really? haven't seen this anywhere would be more than ok with it....We need CB Depth bad.

I phrased my orginal post really poorly - what I meant to say was that Echols was a guy who was looking to transfer as a graduated guy and his name was kicked around by Miami fans on boards. I don't know if Miami ever really considered him seriously or what, but Diaz and Banda would definitely have his number. He's sort of a poor man's Corn Elder - small but quick and tenacious.

 

[canes614]

Malek along with the rest of the frosh have plenty of time to learn before we reach the meat of the schedule he could be ready by then.... who knows? We have real coaches now.... it's evident. It has been reported by everyone that Pickney is in the mix after having a great spring. It's open season.....these coaches aren't looking at seniority. I'm not saying he will play. If he had to......just about everyone who said Pickney is guaranteed to shirt would change that assessment. The kid is ballin right now good enough to play right away.

Stop lying to yourself melek would get abused against ND, FSU and NC. I don't want to take that chance. Also how are you so sure about pickney ? Has he done anything in a game ?

Man we really need JC i hope the staff goes after him our depth is scary bad at the position

I think we should wait to see what our frosh group brings to the table. I'm starting to believe the staff believes they have enough to work with..... I can also Johnson making the move to nickel coach Rumph already said he wants to work with him. If Redwine is a legit replacement like everyone is saying.....this may not turn out to be a bad situation.

It's not so much a talent issue but a depth one. Redwine may do fine opposite of Corn and having Johnson in a nickle package is great. But what if one of those guys go down? Especially if Corn misses time we have a huge problem. Mind boggling that with all the south Florida talent the last staff couldn't stock up on cb's.

I understand the depth issue...my point is we still have frosh coming in to provide depth. How good is Malek Young? Everyone raves over Byrd who is already classified as a safety at UT cuz he doesn't have the footwork right now to play corner, yet we pencled him in at starting CB opposite Corn. This type of hype happens everywhere then a kid like Pickney who everyone on all sites, forums etc...said will certainly shirt is making a strong case to start or be in the rotation. I've decided to wait until our frosh come in to make a final judgement. I'm not saying Young who ran 10.9 recently is a better athlete than Byrd who just ran a 11.66....I'm saying look very closely at the AA game and you can see Young go stride for stride with top notch receivers. All reports indicated that he was a surprise all week. Byrd was beat on that under thrown INT look at the tape. I do think he coulda been a press CB with some work, but safety is his natural position. Young isn't very tall 5'10 190 still good enough to get it done look at the draft Hargreaves, McKenzie, Jones, Fuller etc... all 5'10 ....if you have elite speed, strength and athleticism it doesn't matter if you're 6'0.....all Im saying is you never know til it all unfolds.

 

[Coach Macho]

Big plays happen but when you constantly bring pressure and blitzes it makes the Offense sweat and gives your defense a chance to make big plays as well (sacks, TFL's, INTS, fumbles etc.) I would much rather give up a 30 yard gain and then get a 10 yard sack for loss then watch our team get leaned on for 80 yards in 10 plays all game.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, though. Getting a 10 yard sack but allowing a 30 yard gain still nets 20 yards for the offense.

If it's one thing I can't stand (as a DC) is coordinators who roll the dice for the sake of "bringing pressure" only to strike out and allow a huge play. I'd rather be "sound".

 

[iLoveTDs]

I'd be incredibly shocked if we won 9-10 games.

I'd guess 8-4

So you'd be incredibly shocked if we ended up winning one more game than what you are predicting?

Is your scientific method for coming up with a W/L prediction so precise that it would be shocking to have it be off by one game?

I would be. Whereas I wouldn't if we only won 7.
UNC, FSU, ND are losses - those teams are just way ahead of us right now. So we'd have to win the rest of the ACC games on our schedule to go 9-3.

People say we have a favorable schedule but I see a pretty brutal middle of the season schedule for us.
@ GT, FSU, UNC, @ VT, @ ND
5 tough games in a row. The 2 most favorable wins there are both on the road (GT, VT).

How is UNC so far ahead of us? They beat us last year badly, but we beat them badly the year before, it's also at home.

FSU has barely scraped by us 2 years in a row, again another home game for Miami. Yes they havge been ahead of us, but that talent gap has closed quite a bit(starters are really close), and we have the better QB.

The hiring of Gene Chizik changed them. They now have a really solid defense to match Fedora's offensive system. Hence why they went 8-0 in the ACC and 11-1 overall last year. They also played Clemson right down to the wire and if not for a bad off-side call at the end of the game they would've had chance to win it.

That = so far ahead of us.

I'm hoping it's Chizik's last season, but until then we are in trouble.

 

[Cash]

What's up with all the **** yards? (especially rushing)

191 yards on 24 carries from the RB unit. (a 7.9 yard average)

I understand that some of those yards probably came against the back-up defense, but I'm also assuming that some of those yards were produced by the back-up offense.

What gives?

I believe a lot of those were given up against the bench guys. I was told 1's shut down the inside runs & outside runs had a couple go for gains but that'll get better by August.

 

[supacane]

I'd be incredibly shocked if we won 9-10 games.

I'd guess 8-4

So you'd be incredibly shocked if we ended up winning one more game than what you are predicting?

Is your scientific method for coming up with a W/L prediction so precise that it would be shocking to have it be off by one game?

I would be. Whereas I wouldn't if we only won 7.
UNC, FSU, ND are losses - those teams are just way ahead of us right now. So we'd have to win the rest of the ACC games on our schedule to go 9-3.

People say we have a favorable schedule but I see a pretty brutal middle of the season schedule for us.
@ GT, FSU, UNC, @ VT, @ ND
5 tough games in a row. The 2 most favorable wins there are both on the road (GT, VT).

How is UNC so far ahead of us? They beat us last year badly, but we beat them badly the year before, it's also at home.

FSU has barely scraped by us 2 years in a row, again another home game for Miami. Yes they havge been ahead of us, but that talent gap has closed quite a bit(starters are really close), and we have the better QB.

The hiring of Gene Chizik changed them. They now have a really solid defense to match Fedora's offensive system. Hence why they went 8-0 in the ACC and 11-1 overall last year. They also played Clemson right down to the wire and if not for a bad off-side call at the end of the game they would've had chance to win it.

That = so far ahead of us.

I'm hoping it's Chizik's last season, but until then we are in trouble.

They lose their senior Qb. That will cut them down a notch. That defense was still bad, it was just better than the year before. Chizik is a good DC but they were nothing special and nothing to lean on breaking in a new QB. We beat them by at least 10 all things equal

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[D_G87]

I just don't understand why JJ hasn't gotten any time at CB in the spring. Jenkins and Carter have been the Starters all spring, if you want the best players on the field, then JJ seems like a no brainer to move or at least split time at Corner. All we've heard is how concerned they are with corner, but no changes to it.

 

[Gatorhater]

@DMoney: Based upon what you've witnessed thus far, how do you think the season will play out for us? I had a chance to watch FSU's Spring game and the QB position and WR position seems very meh. I think we can truly beat FSU this year.

Still too early. This time last year, Michael Wyche was making strides. August camp will be a better indicator.

But it sure helps to have an elite QB, talented DTs and great coaches at both positions. If you're strong at those spots, it can mask other weaknesses.

QB and aggressive Dline are THE two essential elements of Cane football. With those we have shot at anyone. It is great to see QBs under center againt and DTs chasing QBs again. Now some second half coaching adjustments and we are on our way. Great stuff DMoney.

 

[The Franchise]

I'd be incredibly shocked if we won 9-10 games.

I'd guess 8-4

So you'd be incredibly shocked if we ended up winning one more game than what you are predicting?

Is your scientific method for coming up with a W/L prediction so precise that it would be shocking to have it be off by one game?

I would be. Whereas I wouldn't if we only won 7.
UNC, FSU, ND are losses - those teams are just way ahead of us right now. So we'd have to win the rest of the ACC games on our schedule to go 9-3.

People say we have a favorable schedule but I see a pretty brutal middle of the season schedule for us.
@ GT, FSU, UNC, @ VT, @ ND
5 tough games in a row. The 2 most favorable wins there are both on the road (GT, VT).

How is UNC so far ahead of us? They beat us last year badly, but we beat them badly the year before, it's also at home.

FSU has barely scraped by us 2 years in a row, again another home game for Miami. Yes they havge been ahead of us, but that talent gap has closed quite a bit(starters are really close), and we have the better QB.

The hiring of Gene Chizik changed them. They now have a really solid defense to match Fedora's offensive system. Hence why they went 8-0 in the ACC and 11-1 overall last year. They also played Clemson right down to the wire and if not for a bad off-side call at the end of the game they would've had chance to win it.

That = so far ahead of us.

I'm hoping it's Chizik's last season, but until then we are in trouble.

Let me try to understand your sloppy stab at logic. A bad UNC team hired a new DC, so they're "so far ahead of us" in your book. We hired a new OC, new DC and new HC. Why can't we improve like UNC did given the fact that we have better players?

 

[ThomasM]

You must have missed the 5 drops. Tell me you missed that part. You missed that part, right? Oh, one was a TD that was dropped. Adjust the numbers accordingly.

Sheriffs was 2-8 going against backups and know he is getting hyped up. **** is ridiculous.

 

[ThomasM]

Shall I go back to 2008?

My God for the last time no more mention of 1999 !!!! Lol

Remember how thin we were at WR before Coker got canned? Our WR depth is GOOD compared to back then, and that's not counting the good WRs coming in this summer. We're fine there. CB is another issue. We need to pray for no injuries. Also, we need to hope Kaaya can just plain light everyone up. Do that and everyone will be playing catch up all game long. That's how FSU would beat teams back in the day when Richt was running their O. Here's hoping it happens again.

On a side note, I was at the FSU spring game going into the 1999 season, and FSU's secondary was terrible. All they did was win the national title that year. Here's hoping Richt has that kind of season here. I personally think he can.

for Miami to be thin at WR or CB, much less both, will never be short of unbelievable.

 

[PortvilleCane]

So you'd be incredibly shocked if we ended up winning one more game than what you are predicting?

Is your scientific method for coming up with a W/L prediction so precise that it would be shocking to have it be off by one game?

I would be. Whereas I wouldn't if we only won 7.
UNC, FSU, ND are losses - those teams are just way ahead of us right now. So we'd have to win the rest of the ACC games on our schedule to go 9-3.

People say we have a favorable schedule but I see a pretty brutal middle of the season schedule for us.
@ GT, FSU, UNC, @ VT, @ ND
5 tough games in a row. The 2 most favorable wins there are both on the road (GT, VT).

How is UNC so far ahead of us? They beat us last year badly, but we beat them badly the year before, it's also at home.

FSU has barely scraped by us 2 years in a row, again another home game for Miami. Yes they havge been ahead of us, but that talent gap has closed quite a bit(starters are really close), and we have the better QB.

The hiring of Gene Chizik changed them. They now have a really solid defense to match Fedora's offensive system. Hence why they went 8-0 in the ACC and 11-1 overall last year. They also played Clemson right down to the wire and if not for a bad off-side call at the end of the game they would've had chance to win it.

That = so far ahead of us.

I'm hoping it's Chizik's last season, but until then we are in trouble.

Let me try to understand your sloppy stab at logic. A bad UNC team hired a new DC, so they're "so far ahead of us" in your book. We hired a new OC, new DC and new HC. Why can't we improve like UNC did given the fact that we have better players?

Right on as usual. Their starting MIKE is a walk on.Kid had zero offers. Just got off the phone with the kid's father. They may give him a schollie after this semester but like the father told me UNC has little depth on D. Chizik wants him to take up leadership role on team because no one else has.

 

[AK_Cane]

I'd be incredibly shocked if we won 9-10 games.

I'd guess 8-4

So you'd be incredibly shocked if we ended up winning one more game than what you are predicting?

Is your scientific method for coming up with a W/L prediction so precise that it would be shocking to have it be off by one game?

I would be. Whereas I wouldn't if we only won 7.
UNC, FSU, ND are losses - those teams are just way ahead of us right now. So we'd have to win the rest of the ACC games on our schedule to go 9-3.

People say we have a favorable schedule but I see a pretty brutal middle of the season schedule for us.
@ GT, FSU, UNC, @ VT, @ ND
5 tough games in a row. The 2 most favorable wins there are both on the road (GT, VT).

How is UNC so far ahead of us? They beat us last year badly, but we beat them badly the year before, it's also at home.

FSU has barely scraped by us 2 years in a row, again another home game for Miami. Yes they havge been ahead of us, but that talent gap has closed quite a bit(starters are really close), and we have the better QB.

The hiring of Gene Chizik changed them. They now have a really solid defense to match Fedora's offensive system. Hence why they went 8-0 in the ACC and 11-1 overall last year. They also played Clemson right down to the wire and if not for a bad off-side call at the end of the game they would've had chance to win it.

That = so far ahead of us.

I'm hoping it's Chizik's last season, but until then we are in trouble.

Wait, hold on.. The same defense that gave up 650 rushing yards to Baylor? That clearly showed they are not "so far ahead of us"

 

[The Franchise]

You must have missed the 5 drops. Tell me you missed that part. You missed that part, right? Oh, one was a TD that was dropped. Adjust the numbers accordingly.

Sheriffs was 2-8 going against backups and know he is getting hyped up. **** is ridiculous.

Another reason why "analyzing" without seeing or knowing any data is an exercise in retardation.

 

[252cane]

You must have missed the 5 drops. Tell me you missed that part. You missed that part, right? Oh, one was a TD that was dropped. Adjust the numbers accordingly.

Sheriffs was 2-8 going against backups and know he is getting hyped up. **** is ridiculous.

Another reason why "analyzing" without seeing or knowing any data is an exercise in retardation.

People that went said sheriffs didnt look all that good either but was better than rosier.

 

[ThomasM]

Name the last QB that threw 8 passes and had 5 of them dropped that looked good. 5 drops in 8 attempts will make anyone look, well, not good. Now, had they CAUGHT those passes and he finished 7-8 with at least one TD, is that still not all that good?

You must have missed the 5 drops. Tell me you missed that part. You missed that part, right? Oh, one was a TD that was dropped. Adjust the numbers accordingly.

Sheriffs was 2-8 going against backups and know he is getting hyped up. **** is ridiculous.

Another reason why "analyzing" without seeing or knowing any data is an exercise in retardation.

People that went said sheriffs didnt look all that good either but was better than rosier.

 

[Dirty Sprite]

Big plays happen but when you constantly bring pressure and blitzes it makes the Offense sweat and gives your defense a chance to make big plays as well (sacks, TFL's, INTS, fumbles etc.) I would much rather give up a 30 yard gain and then get a 10 yard sack for loss then watch our team get leaned on for 80 yards in 10 plays all game.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, though. Getting a 10 yard sack but allowing a 30 yard gain still nets 20 yards for the offense.

If it's one thing I can't stand (as a DC) is coordinators who roll the dice for the sake of "bringing pressure" only to strike out and allow a huge play. I'd rather be "sound".

You do realize that every time a DC calls a blitz, its a roll of the dice right?

 

[canes614]

I just don't understand why JJ hasn't gotten any time at CB in the spring. Jenkins and Carter have been the Starters all spring, if you want the best players on the field, then JJ seems like a no brainer to move or at least split time at Corner. All we've heard is how concerned they are with corner, but no changes to it.

I believe Rumph said he plans to work with him at some point before the season. Johnson, Young, Wright and James are all capable of learning CB. Don't worry we have a teacher now.... at the least expect them to play formulated football.