Scrimmage Report (Palm Beach)

[Coach Macho]

Big plays happen but when you constantly bring pressure and blitzes it makes the Offense sweat and gives your defense a chance to make big plays as well (sacks, TFL's, INTS, fumbles etc.) I would much rather give up a 30 yard gain and then get a 10 yard sack for loss then watch our team get leaned on for 80 yards in 10 plays all game.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, though. Getting a 10 yard sack but allowing a 30 yard gain still nets 20 yards for the offense.

If it's one thing I can't stand (as a DC) is coordinators who roll the dice for the sake of "bringing pressure" only to strike out and allow a huge play. I'd rather be "sound".

You do realize that every time a DC calls a blitz, its a roll of the dice right?

You do realize that I coach, right?

You do realize that there's ways to dial up a blitz without leaving yourself too vulnerable, right?

You do realize that there's situations and formations that you can blitz against and not leave yourself vulnerable at all, right? (i.e. against trips)

You do realize that there are ideal situation when (and when not) to blitz, right?




There's strategic ways to blitzing where it's NOT a roll of the dice.

 

[Calinative]

I'd much rather us be overaggressive and get a **** load of TFLs and sacks and give up a few big runs than just let an offense consistently drive down the field but not giving up big plays. Plus its just more fun for the players.

 

[Ghandi]

You must have missed the 5 drops. Tell me you missed that part. You missed that part, right? Oh, one was a TD that was dropped. Adjust the numbers accordingly.

Sheriffs was 2-8 going against backups and know he is getting hyped up. **** is ridiculous.

Another reason why "analyzing" without seeing or knowing any data is an exercise in retardation.

People that went said sheriffs didnt look all that good either but was better than rosier.

I was there.

At least 4- dropped passes, one of which was a TD.

2 of those 4 drops appeared to be on the money, and more importantly a good depth down field (like 17-20yds down).

Kid looks good. He fits in

 

[Dirty Sprite]

Big plays happen but when you constantly bring pressure and blitzes it makes the Offense sweat and gives your defense a chance to make big plays as well (sacks, TFL's, INTS, fumbles etc.) I would much rather give up a 30 yard gain and then get a 10 yard sack for loss then watch our team get leaned on for 80 yards in 10 plays all game.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, though. Getting a 10 yard sack but allowing a 30 yard gain still nets 20 yards for the offense.

If it's one thing I can't stand (as a DC) is coordinators who roll the dice for the sake of "bringing pressure" only to strike out and allow a huge play. I'd rather be "sound".

You do realize that every time a DC calls a blitz, its a roll of the dice right?

You do realize that I coach, right?

You do realize that there's ways to dial up a blitz without leaving yourself too vulnerable, right?

You do realize that there's situations and formations that you can blitz against and not leave yourself vulnerable at all, right? (i.e. against trips)

You do realize that there are ideal situation when (and when not) to blitz, right?




There's strategic ways to blitzing where it's NOT a roll of the dice.

Every blitz is a roll of the dice / you act like Coach Diaz just calls blitzes for the fk of it without some sort of thought process / strategy behind it.

Since this is chess and not little league checkers, there is a coach on the other side of the football that is doing the same thing THINKING which means calling a **** blitz is always a roll of the dice.... Show me a great DC that's never given up a big play / plays? Who, you?

 

[Moro]

Big plays happen but when you constantly bring pressure and blitzes it makes the Offense sweat and gives your defense a chance to make big plays as well (sacks, TFL's, INTS, fumbles etc.) I would much rather give up a 30 yard gain and then get a 10 yard sack for loss then watch our team get leaned on for 80 yards in 10 plays all game.

You can handle the 8 yards a play for 10 plays then get a stop. It's the gashes for 30 yards and a TD that kill you. If you ever ran pursuit drills you would understand.

 

[252cane]

You must have missed the 5 drops. Tell me you missed that part. You missed that part, right? Oh, one was a TD that was dropped. Adjust the numbers accordingly.

Sheriffs was 2-8 going against backups and know he is getting hyped up. **** is ridiculous.

Another reason why "analyzing" without seeing or knowing any data is an exercise in retardation.

People that went said sheriffs didnt look all that good either but was better than rosier.

I was there.

At least 4- dropped passes, one of which was a TD.

2 of those 4 drops appeared to be on the money, and more importantly a good depth down field (like 17-20yds down).

Kid looks good. He fits in

Well thats good to hear. Im still not sold on him and wont jump on this hype train quickly like everybody seems to do.

 

[Moro]

What's up with all the **** yards? (especially rushing)

191 yards on 24 carries from the RB unit. (a 7.9 yard average)

I understand that some of those yards probably came against the back-up defense, but I'm also assuming that some of those yards were produced by the back-up offense.

What gives?

I believe a lot of those were given up against the bench guys. I was told 1's shut down the inside runs & outside runs had a couple go for gains but that'll get better by August.

So did Yearby and Walton play 1st and 2nd team? Well, let's measure the ones success. We can agree that Yearby and Walton are ones and two's respectfully, right? So if Yearby had 10 carries for 63 yards and Walton had 3 carries for 40 yards, that's 13 carries for 103 yards that the first and second team gave up. Of which 61% of the 103 combined yards between the two came against the first team. How can this be good? You guys are in denial, the LB play is not getting it done.

 

[252cane]

What's up with all the **** yards? (especially rushing)

191 yards on 24 carries from the RB unit. (a 7.9 yard average)

I understand that some of those yards probably came against the back-up defense, but I'm also assuming that some of those yards were produced by the back-up offense.

What gives?

I believe a lot of those were given up against the bench guys. I was told 1's shut down the inside runs & outside runs had a couple go for gains but that'll get better by August.

So did Yearby and Walton play 1st and 2nd team? Well, let's measure the ones success. We can agree that Yearby and Walton are ones and two's respectfully, right? So if Yearby had 10 carries for 63 yards and Walton had 3 carries for 40 yards, that's 13 carries for 103 yards that the first and second team gave up. Of which 61% of the 103 combined yards between the two came against the first team. How can this be good? You guys are in denial, the LB play is not getting it done.

Its not just the Lbs. That means the d-line isnt getting good penetration vs the run and or is getting pushed around.

 

[Zbrod95]

Big plays happen but when you constantly bring pressure and blitzes it makes the Offense sweat and gives your defense a chance to make big plays as well (sacks, TFL's, INTS, fumbles etc.) I would much rather give up a 30 yard gain and then get a 10 yard sack for loss then watch our team get leaned on for 80 yards in 10 plays all game.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, though. Getting a 10 yard sack but allowing a 30 yard gain still nets 20 yards for the offense.

If it's one thing I can't stand (as a DC) is coordinators who roll the dice for the sake of "bringing pressure" only to strike out and allow a huge play. I'd rather be "sound".

You do realize that every time a DC calls a blitz, its a roll of the dice right?

You do realize that I coach, right?

You do realize that there's ways to dial up a blitz without leaving yourself too vulnerable, right?

You do realize that there's situations and formations that you can blitz against and not leave yourself vulnerable at all, right? (i.e. against trips)

You do realize that there are ideal situation when (and when not) to blitz, right?




There's strategic ways to blitzing where it's NOT a roll of the dice.

Every blitz is a roll of the dice / you act like Coach Diaz just calls blitzes for the fk of it without some sort of thought process / strategy behind it.

Since this is chess and not little league checkers, there is a coach on the other side of the football that is doing the same thing THINKING which means calling a **** blitz is always a roll of the dice.... Show me a great DC that's never given up a big play / plays? Who, you?

show me a DC that's never given up a big play?? So big plays are only given up on blitzes?? Dude you're wrong and [MENTION=5124]Coach Macho[/MENTION] is right, there's ways to protect yourself on blitzes he's right and you're wrong but knowing from previous conversations you think you know everything about football and hate being told you're wrong anyways. You roll the dice EVERY PLAY not just on blitzes, that's why there's different schemes and philosophies within a scheme.

 

[Moro]

What's up with all the **** yards? (especially rushing)

191 yards on 24 carries from the RB unit. (a 7.9 yard average)

I understand that some of those yards probably came against the back-up defense, but I'm also assuming that some of those yards were produced by the back-up offense.

What gives?

I believe a lot of those were given up against the bench guys. I was told 1's shut down the inside runs & outside runs had a couple go for gains but that'll get better by August.

So did Yearby and Walton play 1st and 2nd team? Well, let's measure the ones success. We can agree that Yearby and Walton are ones and two's respectfully, right? So if Yearby had 10 carries for 63 yards and Walton had 3 carries for 40 yards, that's 13 carries for 103 yards that the first and second team gave up. Of which 61% of the 103 combined yards between the two came against the first team. How can this be good? You guys are in denial, the LB play is not getting it done.

Its not just the Lbs. That means the d-line isnt getting good penetration vs the run and or is getting pushed around.

Stop blaiming it on the Dline they got good penetration all day. Look at each of those breaks not one LB in the screen. If you had one close I would say they are making progress but to see not one come close to making a tackle is concerning.

 

[ThomasM]

Hype train? Nah, just not a hate train. Most people cried like little girls when the kid was recruited and would rather see him fail just so they can throw another barb at Golden. As soon as I saw the kids film I thought he was the best looking lightly recruited QB I have ever seen. Doesn't mean he'll start here, or be a great one here, but the kid has tools. Good footwork, especially for a tall QB. Good arm, smart brain, not afraid to run... Did you see his PA passes on his high school tape? There are college seniors that don't PA pass that well. There was never a reason NOT to like this kid, other than having a hate hard on for Golden.

You must have missed the 5 drops. Tell me you missed that part. You missed that part, right? Oh, one was a TD that was dropped. Adjust the numbers accordingly.

Another reason why "analyzing" without seeing or knowing any data is an exercise in retardation.

People that went said sheriffs didnt look all that good either but was better than rosier.

I was there.

At least 4- dropped passes, one of which was a TD.

2 of those 4 drops appeared to be on the money, and more importantly a good depth down field (like 17-20yds down).

Kid looks good. He fits in

Well thats good to hear. Im still not sold on him and wont jump on this hype train quickly like everybody seems to do.

 

[252cane]

What's up with all the **** yards? (especially rushing)

191 yards on 24 carries from the RB unit. (a 7.9 yard average)

I understand that some of those yards probably came against the back-up defense, but I'm also assuming that some of those yards were produced by the back-up offense.

What gives?

I believe a lot of those were given up against the bench guys. I was told 1's shut down the inside runs & outside runs had a couple go for gains but that'll get better by August.

So did Yearby and Walton play 1st and 2nd team? Well, let's measure the ones success. We can agree that Yearby and Walton are ones and two's respectfully, right? So if Yearby had 10 carries for 63 yards and Walton had 3 carries for 40 yards, that's 13 carries for 103 yards that the first and second team gave up. Of which 61% of the 103 combined yards between the two came against the first team. How can this be good? You guys are in denial, the LB play is not getting it done.

Its not just the Lbs. That means the d-line isnt getting good penetration vs the run and or is getting pushed around.

Stop blaiming it on the Dline they got good penetration all day. Look at each of those breaks not one LB in the screen. If you had one close I would say they are making progress but to see not one come close to making a tackle is concerning.

Like i said its the d-line and Lbs. It starts up front. From the videos i seen when walton broke his long run the d-line got no penetration and didnt get off blocks.

When the rb is getting to the second level that tells you what the d-line isnt doing. If the rb gets to the second level its the lb job to stop it there. It was obvious the Lbs didnt make the plays when they were there.

The Lbs still have 4 months to work before the season and with owens coming back the comp will kick up a notch.

 

[Cribby]

Big plays happen but when you constantly bring pressure and blitzes it makes the Offense sweat and gives your defense a chance to make big plays as well (sacks, TFL's, INTS, fumbles etc.) I would much rather give up a 30 yard gain and then get a 10 yard sack for loss then watch our team get leaned on for 80 yards in 10 plays all game.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, though. Getting a 10 yard sack but allowing a 30 yard gain still nets 20 yards for the offense.

If it's one thing I can't stand (as a DC) is coordinators who roll the dice for the sake of "bringing pressure" only to strike out and allow a huge play. I'd rather be "sound".

You do realize that every time a DC calls a blitz, its a roll of the dice right?

You do realize that I coach, right?

You do realize that there's ways to dial up a blitz without leaving yourself too vulnerable, right?

You do realize that there's situations and formations that you can blitz against and not leave yourself vulnerable at all, right? (i.e. against trips)

You do realize that there are ideal situation when (and when not) to blitz, right?




There's strategic ways to blitzing where it's NOT a roll of the dice.

Every blitz is a roll of the dice / you act like Coach Diaz just calls blitzes for the fk of it without some sort of thought process / strategy behind it.

Since this is chess and not little league checkers, there is a coach on the other side of the football that is doing the same thing THINKING which means calling a **** blitz is always a roll of the dice.... Show me a great DC that's never given up a big play / plays? Who, you?

Wrong

 

[252cane]

Hype train? Nah, just not a hate train. Most people cried like little girls when the kid was recruited and would rather see him fail just so they can throw another barb at Golden. As soon as I saw the kids film I thought he was the best looking lightly recruited QB I have ever seen. Doesn't mean he'll start here, or be a great one here, but the kid has tools. Good footwork, especially for a tall QB. Good arm, smart brain, not afraid to run... Did you see his PA passes on his high school tape? There are college seniors that don't PA pass that well. There was never a reason NOT to like this kid, other than having a hate hard on for Golden.

Another reason why "analyzing" without seeing or knowing any data is an exercise in retardation.

People that went said sheriffs didnt look all that good either but was better than rosier.

I was there.

At least 4- dropped passes, one of which was a TD.

2 of those 4 drops appeared to be on the money, and more importantly a good depth down field (like 17-20yds down).

Kid looks good. He fits in

Well thats good to hear. Im still not sold on him and wont jump on this hype train quickly like everybody seems to do.

It has nothing to with golden for me. I had no problem with him being recruited either. My thing is this fan base always hype up guys that has never did ****. Last year it was rosier.

I have no problem with him and if he turns out to be able to ball, thats good because it creates more depth and competition.

 

[Bk1]

So you'd be incredibly shocked if we ended up winning one more game than what you are predicting?

Is your scientific method for coming up with a W/L prediction so precise that it would be shocking to have it be off by one game?

I would be. Whereas I wouldn't if we only won 7.
UNC, FSU, ND are losses - those teams are just way ahead of us right now. So we'd have to win the rest of the ACC games on our schedule to go 9-3.

People say we have a favorable schedule but I see a pretty brutal middle of the season schedule for us.
@ GT, FSU, UNC, @ VT, @ ND
5 tough games in a row. The 2 most favorable wins there are both on the road (GT, VT).

How is UNC so far ahead of us? They beat us last year badly, but we beat them badly the year before, it's also at home.

FSU has barely scraped by us 2 years in a row, again another home game for Miami. Yes they havge been ahead of us, but that talent gap has closed quite a bit(starters are really close), and we have the better QB.

The hiring of Gene Chizik changed them. They now have a really solid defense to match Fedora's offensive system. Hence why they went 8-0 in the ACC and 11-1 overall last year. They also played Clemson right down to the wire and if not for a bad off-side call at the end of the game they would've had chance to win it.

That = so far ahead of us.

I'm hoping it's Chizik's last season, but until then we are in trouble.

Let me try to understand your sloppy stab at logic. A bad UNC team hired a new DC, so they're "so far ahead of us" in your book. We hired a new OC, new DC and new HC. Why can't we improve like UNC did given the fact that we have better players?

Yep the logic is very flawed....again people...listen there are only 2 ACC teams capable of signing elite level talent comparable to Miami and that's Clemson and FSU...on a down year Miami will have (on paper at least) better talent than everyone else...the difference is the coaching which has been upgraded tremendously...laughing at UNC so far ahead of us...when you compare position by position it seems as if UM at least has a chance at home to beat UNC...

 

[Coach Macho]

Big plays happen but when you constantly bring pressure and blitzes it makes the Offense sweat and gives your defense a chance to make big plays as well (sacks, TFL's, INTS, fumbles etc.) I would much rather give up a 30 yard gain and then get a 10 yard sack for loss then watch our team get leaned on for 80 yards in 10 plays all game.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, though. Getting a 10 yard sack but allowing a 30 yard gain still nets 20 yards for the offense.

If it's one thing I can't stand (as a DC) is coordinators who roll the dice for the sake of "bringing pressure" only to strike out and allow a huge play. I'd rather be "sound".

You do realize that every time a DC calls a blitz, its a roll of the dice right?

You do realize that I coach, right?

You do realize that there's ways to dial up a blitz without leaving yourself too vulnerable, right?

You do realize that there's situations and formations that you can blitz against and not leave yourself vulnerable at all, right? (i.e. against trips)

You do realize that there are ideal situation when (and when not) to blitz, right?




There's strategic ways to blitzing where it's NOT a roll of the dice.

Every blitz is a roll of the dice / you act like Coach Diaz just calls blitzes for the fk of it without some sort of thought process / strategy behind it.

Since this is chess and not little league checkers, there is a coach on the other side of the football that is doing the same thing THINKING which means calling a **** blitz is always a roll of the dice.... Show me a great DC that's never given up a big play / plays? Who, you?

Not every blitz is a roll of the dice.

When a I said "coordinators who roll the dice" I was talking about DC's who get blitz happy and send pressure too often, opening up seams in the running game and taking LB's out of pursuit lanes (fits).

If you've never seen a DC like that then I don't know WTF to tell you. One of my ex-CB's played for a coordinator like that in Syracuse last year.

When you call defense like that, you make a ton of TFL's and sacks but you also get beat badly by the big play. I've given up plenty of big plays in my day, but rarely due to the blitz. Cause again...like I told you...there's opportune times when (and where) to blitz. (calling it "cautious blitzing" if you will)

EXAMPLE: If you get carried away with blitzing your LB's against 21 Personnel (TE + 2 RB's) then you become susceptible to allowing big runs via Iso or Power. (or any lead running concept)

 

[Coach Macho]

Maybe I'm (we're) overreacting. I just think it's a little odd that we allowed so many rushing yards. This is the same offensive line that couldn't run the ball at all against our defense last spring.

I was always under the impression that good defensive teams usually dominate team scrimmages.

 

[Cash]

What's up with all the **** yards? (especially rushing)

191 yards on 24 carries from the RB unit. (a 7.9 yard average)

I understand that some of those yards probably came against the back-up defense, but I'm also assuming that some of those yards were produced by the back-up offense.

What gives?

I believe a lot of those were given up against the bench guys. I was told 1's shut down the inside runs & outside runs had a couple go for gains but that'll get better by August.

So did Yearby and Walton play 1st and 2nd team? Well, let's measure the ones success. We can agree that Yearby and Walton are ones and two's respectfully, right? So if Yearby had 10 carries for 63 yards and Walton had 3 carries for 40 yards, that's 13 carries for 103 yards that the first and second team gave up. Of which 61% of the 103 combined yards between the two came against the first team. How can this be good? You guys are in denial, the LB play is not getting it done.

Its not just the Lbs. That means the d-line isnt getting good penetration vs the run and or is getting pushed around.

Stop blaiming it on the Dline they got good penetration all day. Look at each of those breaks not one LB in the screen. If you had one close I would say they are making progress but to see not one come close to making a tackle is concerning.

You can get too much penetration which opens up holes. The few long gains I saw on video were because of that. When you have an aggressive DL you can trapped to death. That's where Coach Kool comes in. It'll get better.

 

[sabrose]

We all saw what Donofrio's defense ,which was designed as a bend not break style of defense did. it lost us recruits, reduced motivation among the players and collapsed in most of our games against good opponents.
We will have a faster ,more athletic defense next year but I expect some struggles until we can get more depth and speed in the backfield. I expect it to be easier to recruit over the next few years ,especially on defense. Donofrio was the cloud.

 

[252cane]

I believe a lot of those were given up against the bench guys. I was told 1's shut down the inside runs & outside runs had a couple go for gains but that'll get better by August.

So did Yearby and Walton play 1st and 2nd team? Well, let's measure the ones success. We can agree that Yearby and Walton are ones and two's respectfully, right? So if Yearby had 10 carries for 63 yards and Walton had 3 carries for 40 yards, that's 13 carries for 103 yards that the first and second team gave up. Of which 61% of the 103 combined yards between the two came against the first team. How can this be good? You guys are in denial, the LB play is not getting it done.

Its not just the Lbs. That means the d-line isnt getting good penetration vs the run and or is getting pushed around.

Stop blaiming it on the Dline they got good penetration all day. Look at each of those breaks not one LB in the screen. If you had one close I would say they are making progress but to see not one come close to making a tackle is concerning.

You can get too much penetration which opens up holes. The few long gains I saw on video were because of that. When you have an aggressive DL you can trapped to death. That's where Coach Kool comes in. It'll get better.

Yea, thats true too. Stopping the run is a issue for these players though because they have never stopped it since they have been on campus.