Saban s first year at Bama

[Canedude08]

Whenever I see stupid crap like OP, I can't help but laugh. Say it with me: CONTEXT MATTERS. Nick Saban had won a national title at LSU, had turned around Michigan State and Toledo and had been a **** good NFL assistant.

Compare that to Manny "I got the job because my boss is a lazy moron" Diaz. His resume is garbage compared to that, and Alabama wasn't getting rolled by multiple bottom feeding teams. Miami lost THREE GAMES this year in which they were double digit favorites. That hasn't happened in 30+ years. Miami looked like pure dog crap in the weeks following a bye, that's a result of awful coaching and inept management.

Diaz is a first time coach that didn't even look like he had any clue how to manage anything. Never mind the fact that if Saban had failed at Alabama, they had more than enough money to buy him out and then throw a ton of money at the next hot prospect. Miami on the other hand can't afford to throw money on low upside guys, and then buy them out when they fail(which was a distinct possibility when hired in the first place).

 

[mackjones]

So what you're aiming to insinuate is Diaz is a comparable HC to Saban, because finished .500 their initial seasons at their perspective schools. Now that's fresh.

 

[BoxingRobes]

I can see the negative comments coming from this point, but there is history that shows successful coaches often have mediocre season in year 1.

Bob Stoops Year 1 at OU: 6-6
Pete Carroll Year 1 at USC: 6-6
Kirby Smart Year 1 at Georgia: 8-5
Nick Saban Year 1 at Michigan State: 6-6
Nick Saban Year 1 at LSU: 8-5
James Franklin Year 1 at Penn State: 7-6

The successful coaches generally make the big leap in Year 2. We'll see if Manny can do the same. If it's 7-5 (or worse) then we've got a problem.

There is also an infinite number of ****ty coaches that were also ****ty coaches forever after.

Bob Stoops won a national championship as a defensive coordinator.
Pete Carroll was an NFL head coach.
Kirby Smart won THREE national championships as a defensive coordinator and won the Broyles Award.
NIck Saban won a conference championship in the MAC
James Franklin took Vanderbilt...VANDERBILT to three consecutive bowl games...a program that has never, ever gone to consecutive bowl games in their existence.

Manny Diaz is not any of those guys. Can we please stop nonsense threads like this?

 

[Pen]

Saban was already a proven college football coach. He won a NC at LSU. Also had success at Michigan St. So it is disrespectful to compare his first year at Baga to Manny’s first year as a HC here.

Actually Saban was extremely mediocre at Michigan State.

He obviously was successful at LSU though.

 

[Pen]

It's a good point, and that makes Manny almost unique (except when comparing against Randy Shannon).

However the problems have not been on the defensive side of the ball, at least for the most part. It's the inability of the offense to score. So we'll see.

Any time a coaching hire has been made (either here, or at UT when I've talked with friends from there) I am always looking for the level of improvement from Year 1 to Year 2. If you truly have a keeper at HC, there should be a big jump. When it's incremental, there's a problem.

Randy Shannon: Year 1 (5-7), Year 2 (7-6), departed after Year 4
Al Golden: Year 1 (6-6), Year 2 (7-5), departed during Year 5
Mark Richt: Year 1 (9-4), Year 2 (10-3), retired after Year 3
Charlie Strong: Year 1 (6-7), Year 2 (5-7), departed after Year 3
Tom Herman: Year 1 (7-6), Year 2 (10-4), TBD

When you look at the successful, franchise coaches:

Bob Stoops (OU): Year 1 (6-6), Year 2 (13-0)
Nick Saban (LSU): Year 1 (8-4), Year 2 (10-3)
Nick Saban (AL): Year 1 (7-6), Year 2 (12-2)
Pete Carroll (USC): Year 1 (6-6), Year 2 (11-2)
Jimmy Johnson (UM): Year 1 (8-5), Year 2 (10-2)

If Manny is going to be successful, we need a significant improvement in year 2 in wins.

There’s also the Will Muschamp at Florida example.

He went from 7-6 in year 1 to 11-2 in year 2.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

OP graduated from Harvard. So he would probably pass.

Harvard of Hialeah ?

I don’t care if he’s a professor there It’s a ridiculous post and comparison

 

[BoxingRobes]

Imagine what he’d be called with this resume if it were today lol. Dude was a .500 coach at MSU , and even at LSU before the nattyy he was a little above average. 6-5 and 6-6 in bsck to back years here they’d want your head on a stick

People here act like Riley is overrated and mediocre and he loses 1-2 games a year.

Dabo would’ve had a banner flying here by year three and four , if not sooner. “ Fire this idiot wr coach.

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He won the MAC in his first year as a head coach. I know that may not mean much to you, but he showed the acumen to be a legit head coach right away.

Michigan State and LSU before he got there were in worse shape than us today.

Dabo Swinney is a freak of nature occurrence. I thought @Awsi Dooger did God's work on this forum and explained to the populace to stop looking at outliers like him as comparison points.

What has Manny Diaz ever done...seriously...to get this much rope to hang himself with?

This fanbase is like battered wives at this point. If you can't see with your own eyes that what we've got going on isn't healthy, just go home and keep getting your *** kicked by your slob husband.

 

[Cribby]

He won the MAC in his first year as a head coach. I know that may not mean much to you, but he showed the acumen to be a legit head coach right away.

Michigan State and LSU before he got there were in worse shape than us today.

Dabo Swinney is a freak of nature occurrence. I thought @Awsi Dooger did God's work on this forum and explained to the populace to stop looking at outliers like him as comparison points.

What has Manny Diaz ever done...seriously...to get this much rope to hang himself with?

This fanbase is like battered wives at this point. If you can't see with your own eyes that what we've got going on isn't healthy, just go home and keep getting your *** kicked by your slob husband.

I’m not talking manny , I’m talking how majority of the board poo poo’s coaches. And only crowns them after they see the actual finished product. Who knows , some people might look dumb with the manny hate one day , including yourself. Or he could be canned next year , you really never know.

As for Saban, he was mediocre or just pretty good for majority of his career before winning the natty at LSU. That’s a fact.

I’m 4- and watched football since i was eight years old so I dont need a history lesson on Saban. George Perles did just as good at MSU than Saban .

Saban just got to two schools who have huge booster foundations which made him look like god. He’s a really good coach , but he wasn’t so hot when he had less talent or equal talent.

 

[BoxingRobes]

I’m not talking manny , I’m talking how majority of the board poo poo’s coaches.

Saban was mediocre or pretty good for majority of his career before winning the natty at LSU. That’s a fact.

I’m 4- and watched football since i was eight years old so I dont need a history lesson on Saban. George Perless did way more at MSU then Saban.

Saban just got to two schools who have huge booster foundations which made him look like god. He’s a really good coach , but he wasn’t so hot when he had less talent or equal talent.

Are you really trying to convince me that one of the greatest coaches in the history of college football is a fraud?

C'mon now, man.

The end of the Perles Era at Michigan State was horrendous. They were one of the worst teams in college football in the early 90s. Saban took them to bowl games right away and left them as a Top 10 team in the nation.

So, before he won a national championship...he won a conference championship and left a team with its highest finish since the 1960s and he was "mediocre".

We can't continue this conversation. Its nonsense.

 

[Cribby]

Are you really trying to convince me that one of the greatest coaches in the history of college football is a fraud?

C'mon now, man.

The end of the Perles Era at Michigan State was horrendous. They were one of the worst teams in college football in the early 90s. Saban took them to bowl games right away and left them as a Top 10 team in the nation.

So, before he won a national championship...he won a conference championship and left a team with its highest finish since the 1960s and he was "mediocre".

We can't continue this conversation. Its nonsense.

He’s a great coach , quit putting words in my mouth. I just stated facts. Sorry you don’t like facts. He was a mediocre to pretty good coach until he got a huge foundation backing at two huge bag schools . At Alabama he had access to things no other coach has ever had , from biggest payroll , unlimited coaches who happen to be former sec coaches , huge talent advantage because of said foundations.

Until he got these huge advantages he was a 4-5 average loss coach.

Like I said , he’s a great coach but he washy great until he showed up at two powerful programs. With huge backings. I mean La is maybe the most talented state in the country.

 

[BoxingRobes]

He’s a great coach , quit putting words in my mouth. I just stated facts. Sorry you don’t like facts. He was a mediocre to pretty good coach until he got a huge foundation backing at two huge bag schools . At Alabama he had access to things no other coach has ever had , from biggest payroll , unlimited coaches who happen to be former sec coaches , huge talent advantage because of said foundations.

Until he got these huge advantages he was a 4-5 average loss coach.

Like I said , he’s a great coach but there’s context to anything.

 

[Cribby]

Sorry you don’t like facts. Before the 13-1 season there was a Bunch 3,4,5, 6 loss seasons.

 

[Cribby]

32 losses in eight years before natty. That’s a four loss average in power five football. Now back to my point , how would that go over in today’s football?

He wouldn’t be exactly the **** hire. Which was the point of my posts.

Sorry you can’t wrap your head around the point.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Sorry you don’t like facts. Before the 13-1 season there was a Bunch 3,4,5, 6 loss seasons.

You're over here making posts talking about CONTEXT but your use of context is horrendous.

9-2 at Toledo in year 1, won the conference.
Took over Michigan State, which was 0-11 before Saban showed up and was horrible throughout the early 90s, took them to three straight bowls and left them 10-2 and in the Top 10.
Went to LSU, had them finishing in the Top 10 in Year 2, won a National Championship in Year 4.

Yeah, man. "mediocre to pretty good".

Go take a nap.

 

[Cribby]

You're over here making posts talking about CONTEXT but your use of context is horrendous.

9-2 at Toledo in year 1, won the conference.
Took over Michigan State, which was 0-11 before Saban showed up and was horrible throughout the early 90s, took them to three straight bowls and left them 10-2 and in the Top 10.
Went to LSU, had them finishing in the Top 10 in Year 2, won a National Championship in Year 4.

Yeah, man. "mediocre to pretty good".

Go take a nap.

Your dumb *** is too dumb to get the point me , dooger and others we’d making.

I’ll try to make it simpler for your stupid ***, no fan base would want a dude with that resume his first 8-9 years .

Now for the third time , they only want them after they see the finished results.

Which was the entire point.

 

[BoxingRobes]

Your dumb *** is too dumb to get the point me , dooger and others we’d making.

I’ll try to make it simpler for your stupid ***, no fan base would want a dude with that resume his first 8-9 years .

Now for the third time , they only want them after they see the finished results.

Which was the entire point.

Stop posting.

I could put together a long post that beats your ****ty point into the ground since you don't seem to understand that its garbage with plenty of counterpoints to your nonsense posts in this thread.

This fanbase would collectively **** itself if we hired Matt Campbell, a man with a worse resume than Saban through 8-9 years.

Don't even respond to my post. You're wrong and you look like an idiot doing it.

 

[Cane6]

Saban was 7-6 his first year a Bama losing 4 out of his last 5 games.The next year he was 12-2 and his third year he won thr NC.He came in as an experienced College Coach and NFL coach who had previously won the NC at LSU.We need to be patient with Coach Diaz.He is smart enough to get it done.Patience will be rewarded.

You are a rat ******* and I wish you nothing but bad luck the rest of your life

If one more ****tard references Saban or Dabo I’m gonna go ballistic

 

[87FireCane]

Saban was 7-6 his first year a Bama losing 4 out of his last 5 games.The next year he was 12-2 and his third year he won thr NC.He came in as an experienced College Coach and NFL coach who had previously won the NC at LSU.We need to be patient with Coach Diaz.He is smart enough to get it done.Patience will be rewarded.

 

[bbcane]

Saban was 7-6 his first year a Bama losing 4 out of his last 5 games.The next year he was 12-2 and his third year he won thr NC.He came in as an experienced College Coach and NFL coach who had previously won the NC at LSU.We need to be patient with Coach Diaz.He is smart enough to get it done.Patience will be rewarded.

I will fight you

 

[Crimpy]

Saban was 7-6 his first year a Bama losing 4 out of his last 5 games.The next year he was 12-2 and his third year he won thr NC.He came in as an experienced College Coach and NFL coach who had previously won the NC at LSU.We need to be patient with Coach Diaz.He is smart enough to get it done.Patience will be rewarded.

He also came in as Nick Saban; with a history of turning teams around. Manny is coming in as Manny; with a history of things going to **** and getting fired.