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nebcane said:
I think the coaching staff should have given Williams the chance to play more meaningful minutes earlier this year when Morris was struggling. What's wrong with sitting Morris for a series or two when he's playing poorly.

At this point they are all in so you stick with what you have. I will say if Morris plays poorly against FSU then I wouldn't be surprised to see Williams start against VT, or at least alternate by quarters.

When you have to modify your offense as much as we have to protect your team against your own QB the writing should is on the wall. Every other position on this team competes weekly, why not the QB position. There is zero rhythm in our offense with Morris at QB.
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lol so ur idea of gaining rhythm in the offense is to have both qbs alternate between quarters? we don't have any evidence that williams is capable of playing against any legit teams. he played well against dog**** teams earlier in the year. u can't bench ur qb no matter what happens this saturday night. that vt game a week after has more on the line than the FSU one does.
 
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spacenegroes said:
yall ****** intentionally and defiantly standing behind logical fallacies in this thread.

1. we dont know how good williams truly is.
2. we do know how ****ty morris is.
3. unless williams is, in reality, way worse than he looks, he's probably smarter and doesnt panic as much as morris.
4. i don't care if we're 0-7 or 7-0, bad play is bad play. aint nobody sayin "yo we 7-0, you cant bench your starting WDE!!! you gots to dance wid da gurl dat BRUNG YOU!!!11"
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hey moron, you realize u can lose ur team real quick if u bench ur senior qb at 7-0 for any reason outside of injury or off field issues
 
JefeGringo said:
It's too late for the RW experiement unless Morris gets hurt worse than he is now. That's something none of us want. We are riding with Morris for better or worse.
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I agree. While I would have liked to see Williams get a chance earlier in the season when Morris was playing hurt, now it's too late to make the switch. The Wake Forest game was the last chance to do that.

Morris' bad play can't be all or even mostly blamed on the injury. His overthrows and poor decisions were happening before the injury as well.

A perfect example in the Wake game of him forcing plays to receivers that he locked onto was on a 6-7 yard completion to Malcolm Lewis. Lewis was well covered out in the flats, and Morris had to throw low and outside for Lewis to be able to fall to the ground to make the catch. That had no chance of being more than a 6-7 yd. completion. Meanwhile, 2 yds behind Lewis was the running back (can't remember if it was Crawford or Duke at the time) wide open and ready to receive. Had Morris made the smart decision AND easier throw, the back would have had Lewis in front of him as a blocker against the d-back, with a good bit of open room in front of him. But instead Morris made the more difficult throw with a lower chance of a good payoff. He's done that all year, injury or not.
 
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theu4lyfe said:
Morris is too hurt. College football is a lot about broken plays and improvising and taking off and getting first downs and moving the chains.

It's sad to watch Morris. After huge completions (including touchdowns), he limps down the field, rather than run like every qb in the country. Our offense is hamstrung with a limp, immobile quarterback, who can't flush out of the pocket and make plays--so he forces INTs.

Don't care what anyone says. Until Duke carried the ball on for the last TD, Williams is not 10 points worse than Morris. Canes literally had 10 points until the end of the game.

Ryan Williams is more cerebral, poise--and has a great command and grasp for the offense. Doesn't have the physical arm strength as Morris--but would have led the offense on more sustained and efficient drives and got more than 10 points, than the fluke circus-catch bombs that Morris provides.
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Agreed, I mean, why play a quarter back who has arguably the strongest arm in college football, over a quarterback who completed 80% of his passes against a very very stout Savannah State defense!! good thinking!
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While I agree at this point it's too late to try out Williams as a starter, your reasoning makes no sense. Being a QB is more, much, much, much more than having a strong arm. You can have the strongest arm in the history of football, but if you use it to throw to the opposing team or you keep overthrowing your receivers or you constantly make the wrong reads and wrong decisions, it is utterly worthless. The one big, exciting, dramatic long bomb touchdown doesn't make up for the entire rest of the game, where your bad play made it necessary to have a dramatic comeback in the first place.
 
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A few key points people need to consider, to be truly fair in this argument as to why this not your typical "The back up QB is the most popular guy on Campus" routine. And let me PREFACE all this by saying I agree that there is NO WAY they are going to bench Morris going into FSU and start Williams barring an injury.

1. People blaming Williams for the NC game last year need to seriously get a grip. So the guy didnt come in cold off the bench and set the world on fire. What was Morris' record last year? How come he doesnt get the blame for not heroically winning all those games we lost?

2. People that keep saying "Big Deal, Williams looked good in a few minutes of garbage time playing 3rd stringers". This is FALSE. Morris was hurt early in the SSU game, Williams played most of that game against and WITH 1st Teamers. Same with USF, where Williams played most of the game. So lets drop the "Williams only played in garbage time" this year routine, because he DIDNT. For all practical purposes, HE was our main QB on two wins this season.

3. Morris was unspectacular against FAU, a team he should have just had a field day against. Apart from about 3 nice throws, he did almost nothing for 3 quarters of the UF game.

4. The last TWO games, we were bailed out by our RUNNING GAME. Dallas Crawford and Duke Johnson won those games for us. Without them, Morris is sitting at 5-2, and TWO of those wins would have been mostly Ryan Williams.

5. Anyone saying that fans couldnt wait for Dorsey to leave is a MORON. Dorsey was our team leader and the best QB we had here in a LONG time. The kid led us to almost 3 undefeated seasons, and what should have been at LEAST 2 MNCs, and was a Heisman Finalist, WITHOUT a strong arm. Just goes to show what a SMART QB, who doesnt have a great deal amount of natural talent can do.

ALSO note, this was a similar situation to 99, when Kenny Kelly was struggling, and people were calling for Dorsey to get a look. Most kept saying to stick with Kelly becuase he had so much better of an arm, and was so much more athletic, and that "Butch Knows what he's doing, Kelly is the starter for a reason". Sound Familiar? Guess we know how that turned out too.

6. This business about "Williams cant make the throws Morris can". So what? Morris usually cant make the throws that he SHOULD make. The HOPE, at least, is that Williams wouldnt HAVE to make the throws Morris makes. If he could efficiently march the offense down the field, taking what the defense gives him, and not makes mistakes, we would be in good scoring position most drives. Coupled with our improved defense, talented receivers, big OL and DUke and Dallas, we would score points, convert 3rd downs, keep our defense OFF the field, and manage the game better. Think of how MANY points we have left on the field this season. Several Red Zone drives a GAME we are blowing.

7. The "bar" seems to keep getting lower and lower for Morris here among his fans. When talking about the game winning drives of the last few weeks, I keep hearing this "Oh well Morris made some good completions on the drive". AND? SO WHAT? Isnt that what a SENIOR QB at Miami SHOULD be doing? Isnt that the absolute MINIMUM he should be doing at this level? A few 10-20 yard out completions, and people are acting like the guy just became Peyton Manning for a series. This is the absolute MINIMUM I expect from a SENIOR starting QB at Miami. Im glad he got those completions, and that he didnt make any MORE mistakes, but lets not act like there were any amazing heroics in him doing what he SHOULD be doing, especially against UNC and Wake Forest. Wasnt like he just drove on LSU, or FSU, or some great defense here.

Fact is that the coaches have obviously shown that for whatever reason, they arent going to sit Morris. So for the most part, this debate is mostly academic. But that doesnt mean that those asking for Williams to get a shot are delusional, or clueless, or stupid. Fact is, Im not sure he COULD do much WORSE than Morris has at this point. And spare me the 7-0 schtick, because we are NOT 7-0 primarily because of Steven Morris.
 
1. agreed
2. really? ssu? usf?
3. please. wasn't fau the game coley dropped 2 tds? once which was perfectly throw down the middle of the field that would have been a 45 yard td? coley makes those 2 catches and morris stat line looks much different. he was on that game.

who knows in 99. perhaps Dorsey would have fared worse that season had he been the starter all season long. k. Kelly had some good moments and i'm convinced, had he devoted himself all year long each season to being a qb instead of splitting time w/ baseball, he would have been a great qb here.

now, I think morris has lost some confidence and i'm not as down on Williams as I was before this year. but, Williams should not be starting right now, barring injury.
 
Great post Cane 4 Life.
You really are seeing clearly through the orange and green smoke.
I'm not saying we should be starting Williams but it sure wouldn't hurt us.
Except for a couple of bombs, some with a lot of help from his receivers, Morris really has not been a weapon that opponents have to work hard to contain.
Defensive coordinators have an easy read playing us.

GO CANES!!!! BEAT THE noles!!!!
 
Ifs and buts, if they were candy and nuts, oh what a party we could have.

Its FSU week. We are 7 - 0. We know with 100% absolute certainty who is the starting QB. And this is the **** people keep talking about?
 
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Morris is the starting QB. Outside of a major injury(which i would wish upon no one) he is going to be that until the end of the year.

This topic is dead
 
5XNC said:
1. agreed
2. really? ssu? usf?
3. please. wasn't fau the game coley dropped 2 tds? once which was perfectly throw down the middle of the field that would have been a 45 yard td? coley makes those 2 catches and morris stat line looks much different. he was on that game.

who knows in 99. perhaps Dorsey would have fared worse that season had he been the starter all season long. k. Kelly had some good moments and i'm convinced, had he devoted himself all year long each season to being a qb instead of splitting time w/ baseball, he would have been a great qb here.

now, I think morris has lost some confidence and i'm not as down on Williams as I was before this year. but, Williams should not be starting right now, barring injury.
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You dont see the irony in your responses to 2 and 3?

So its a big "Lulz" that Williams did great against USF and SSU, but then in 3, Morris was a beast against FAU, and it was all Coley's fault for why he didnt light it up better. He was 15-27 for 160 yards. Against FAU!! Does that even remotely look like what a Senior QB at Miami should be throwing against 3rd rate competition?
 
he should have been 18-27 for 220 yards and 2-3 tds.
like I said, I think morris has lost confidence and i'm more impressed w/ Williams this year.
I just don't think you start Williams now and I don't think u will see Williams starting at any point this year, barring injury.
 
Morris is the guy. Get over it or get use to it. Golden isn't benching him any time soon. The team rallys around him, they are not going to tinker with that for the biggest rivarly of the year outside of the Gata game.
theu4lyfe said:
Morris is too hurt. College football is a lot about broken plays and improvising and taking off and getting first downs and moving the chains.

It's sad to watch Morris. After huge completions (including touchdowns), he limps down the field, rather than run like every qb in the country. Our offense is hamstrung with a limp, immobile quarterback, who can't flush out of the pocket and make plays--so he forces INTs.

Don't care what anyone says. Until Duke carried the ball on for the last TD, Williams is not 10 points worse than Morris. Canes literally had 10 points until the end of the game.

Ryan Williams is more cerebral, poise--and has a great command and grasp for the offense. Doesn't have the physical arm strength as Morris--but would have led the offense on more sustained and efficient drives and got more than 10 points, than the fluke circus-catch bombs that Morris provides.
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i do not want ryan williams first career start to be at FSU and home against vt. sorry but thats not happening. this is stephens year and u can't risk losing a good team by benching the senior qb. most ppl aren't understanding the effect that has on the locker room. also, golden and coley see both guys everyday in practice and they clearly felt morris was the better qb. they know more bout williams than ANY ONE OF US do.
 
Talk about beating a freaking dead horse. Here is the only argument that matters:

The coaches see them in practice every day. The coaches saw Williams in the games. The coaches continue to put Morris out there over Williams, even not at 100%. Williams is holding a clipboard and waving his arms around on the sideline to send in plays for a reason.
 
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