Ricardo Williams & Dwayne Hoilett

[Ethnicsands]

just curious as to what everyone that is down on his future worth for team is basing it on?
Your live practice observations?
Game tape?
unsubstantiated guesses?

Negged for arrogance and stupidity.

why the guilty conscious? I didn't list "pulled it out your ***" as an option.

You are free not to post here if you don't like the exchange of views. But if you're going to take snide, condescending shots at people who express their views, then don't be surprised to find your posts disfavored.

I asked a fair question. Don't fault me for your insecurities.
Again I'll ask- what is the prevailing thought that Rico being a career bum based on?
If you can't support your position on why you think that other than to say "because that's what I think" then feel free not to reply. If you can let's hear it.

You asked an open-ended question of no-one. No insecurities here, but no time for annoying porsters, either.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Negged for arrogance and stupidity.

why the guilty conscious? I didn't list "pulled it out your ***" as an option.

You are free not to post here if you don't like the exchange of views. But if you're going to take snide, condescending shots at people who express their views, then don't be surprised to find your posts disfavored.

I asked a fair question. Don't fault me for your insecurities.
Again I'll ask- what is the prevailing thought that Rico being a career bum based on?
If you can't support your position on why you think that other than to say "because that's what I think" then feel free not to reply. If you can let's hear it.

You asked an open-ended question of no-one. No insecurities here, but no time for annoying porsters, either.

look I told you I'm only interested in responses that support a position on Rico being destined to being a bum not your red herring attempt that aims to turn this discussion arguing semantics or a platform to antagonize posters you feel are annoying. You're good at that but keep it on the wez. This board is for football discussions.
Look I'll help you out.
My position on Rico is that it's to early to tell. He came in tall underweight lanky kid. At 6-5 even 230 in underweight. The last thing this DL needed last year was an underweight kid. If his reported weight of 250 is accurate, then this is the year where we should expect to see some signs. But even so, he can perform well in camp but still be buried in the depth chart ala Streeter or a Devon before they broke out. There is some talent with experience ahead of him so him not cracking the deep won't necessarily be an implication against Rico at least not for next year.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Lol at wanting to kick a dude off the roster after two years (one in which he redshirted)

Lol @ your illogical post. No one said kick him off the team, and yet here you are lolling at an imaginary porster.

Plenty of kids leave to get on the field elsewhere.

From a poster on the previous page

"Would be surprised if Williams remains on the roster much longer. As desperate as we are for DE's dude hasn't cracked the line-up, probably time to move on."

So "probably time to move on"=him leaving on his own?

So again, lol at moving on from the guy after two years.

Yes, time to move on can mean the kid transers. Not sure why that is hard to understand.

That was my post and exactly what I meant, kids transfer all the time. If he couldn't play a down last year even as a redshirt freshman I don't see him getting any meaningful snaps here.

and you have the nerve to neg and call me a troll. LOL. But at least you gave your reasoning how ever faulty it is.

 

[Ethnicsands]

why the guilty conscious? I didn't list "pulled it out your ***" as an option.

You are free not to post here if you don't like the exchange of views. But if you're going to take snide, condescending shots at people who express their views, then don't be surprised to find your posts disfavored.

I asked a fair question. Don't fault me for your insecurities.
Again I'll ask- what is the prevailing thought that Rico being a career bum based on?
If you can't support your position on why you think that other than to say "because that's what I think" then feel free not to reply. If you can let's hear it.

You asked an open-ended question of no-one. No insecurities here, but no time for annoying porsters, either.

look I told you I'm only interested in responses that support a position on Rico being destined to being a bum not your red herring attempt that aims to turn this discussion arguing semantics or a platform to antagonize posters you feel are annoying. You're good at that but keep it on the wez. This board is for football discussions.
Look I'll help you out.
My position on Rico is that it's to early to tell. He came in tall underweight lanky kid. At 6-5 even 230 in underweight. The last thing this DL needed last year was an underweight kid. If his reported weight of 250 is accurate, then this is the year where we should expect to see some signs. But even so, he can perform well in camp but still be buried in the depth chart ala Streeter or a Devon before they broke out. There is some talent with experience ahead of him so him not cracking the deep won't necessarily be an implication against Rico at least not for next year.

I guess the question is what would make someone think he'll suddenly become a contributor.

He came in a 'project' in the 'must transform himself physically' mold. That's a low probability endeavor to begin with. Plenty of kids who you project to be difference makers if they can only transform their body type don't end up getting there.

Since he's been here two seasons, he's shown zero reason to think he's on the path to transformation. Many people have reported him as looking not in great shape. He has not only not contributed on the field, he hasn't even been rumored to have looked good on the scout team.

In the mean time, we have brought in guys around him. Guys like AQM and Kamalu this year, McCord, Jelani Hamilton and Hoilett last year, Chickillo the same year as Williams. So it's not like there's a clear path for him to get his opportunities.

Finally, for my $0.02, in addition to the foregoing, he was a reach project. Quick first step was about what was said. But not strong, thin, and a body type that didn't look likely to fill out as a DE, in my view. And it sounds like he hasn't. I also haven't heard anyone say he's been the first guy to the weight room or the last guy to leave. I've heard mixed things about his work ethic, to be honest. And since he hasn't played, there's nothing to notice but what hasn't happened. 'The dog that didn't bark' is a legitimate inference to pause upon. Based on what I know of him as a prospect and body type, and what I've heard of his efforts and lack of impact on the practice field, and what I'd seen of him on the field (nothing), and the guys we've brought in around him, I don't expect him to become a meaningful contributor at UM. I don't like having to write that all out because the kid is a UM athlete, but you asked.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

You are free not to post here if you don't like the exchange of views. But if you're going to take snide, condescending shots at people who express their views, then don't be surprised to find your posts disfavored.

I asked a fair question. Don't fault me for your insecurities.
Again I'll ask- what is the prevailing thought that Rico being a career bum based on?
If you can't support your position on why you think that other than to say "because that's what I think" then feel free not to reply. If you can let's hear it.

You asked an open-ended question of no-one. No insecurities here, but no time for annoying porsters, either.

look I told you I'm only interested in responses that support a position on Rico being destined to being a bum not your red herring attempt that aims to turn this discussion arguing semantics or a platform to antagonize posters you feel are annoying. You're good at that but keep it on the wez. This board is for football discussions.
Look I'll help you out.
My position on Rico is that it's to early to tell. He came in tall underweight lanky kid. At 6-5 even 230 in underweight. The last thing this DL needed last year was an underweight kid. If his reported weight of 250 is accurate, then this is the year where we should expect to see some signs. But even so, he can perform well in camp but still be buried in the depth chart ala Streeter or a Devon before they broke out. There is some talent with experience ahead of him so him not cracking the deep won't necessarily be an implication against Rico at least not for next year.

I guess the question is what would make someone think he'll suddenly become a contributor.

He came in a 'project' in the 'must transform himself physically' mold. That's a low probability endeavor to begin with. Plenty of kids who you project to be difference makers if they can only transform their body type don't end up getting there.

Since he's been here two seasons, he's shown zero reason to think he's on the path to transformation. Many people have reported him as looking not in great shape. He has not only not contributed on the field, he hasn't even been rumored to have looked good on the scout team.

In the mean time, we have brought in guys around him. Guys like AQM and Kamalu this year, McCord, Jelani Hamilton and Hoilett last year, Chickillo the same year as Williams. So it's not like there's a clear path for him to get his opportunities.

Finally, for my $0.02, in addition to the foregoing, he was a reach project. Quick first step was about what was said. But not strong, thin, and a body type that didn't look likely to fill out as a DE, in my view. And it sounds like he hasn't. I also haven't heard anyone say he's been the first guy to the weight room or the last guy to leave. I've heard mixed things about his work ethic, to be honest. And since he hasn't played, there's nothing to notice but what hasn't happened. 'The dog that didn't bark' is a legitimate inference to pause upon. Based on what I know of him as a prospect and body type, and what I've heard of his efforts and lack of impact on the practice field, and what I'd seen of him on the field (nothing), and the guys we've brought in around him, I don't expect him to become a meaningful contributor at UM. I don't like having to write that all out because the kid is a UM athlete, but you asked.

bottom line based on hearsay. Thanks for the effort though. preciate it.

I will say this, irony in that out of all our DE's he has the measurables desired by the NFL. If he's able to keep his athleticism while getting to around 270+ he'll have the physical edge over other DE's. Now how good he is at controlling the edge, fighting off blocks and getting to the QB is still an unknown. But an intriguing athlete he is. Jason Pierre Paul was once a project and probably even more so than Rico.

 

[TheU1991]

rico?

bet you he can throw a football over them mountains

 

[Ethnicsands]

I asked a fair question. Don't fault me for your insecurities.
Again I'll ask- what is the prevailing thought that Rico being a career bum based on?
If you can't support your position on why you think that other than to say "because that's what I think" then feel free not to reply. If you can let's hear it.

You asked an open-ended question of no-one. No insecurities here, but no time for annoying porsters, either.

look I told you I'm only interested in responses that support a position on Rico being destined to being a bum not your red herring attempt that aims to turn this discussion arguing semantics or a platform to antagonize posters you feel are annoying. You're good at that but keep it on the wez. This board is for football discussions.
Look I'll help you out.
My position on Rico is that it's to early to tell. He came in tall underweight lanky kid. At 6-5 even 230 in underweight. The last thing this DL needed last year was an underweight kid. If his reported weight of 250 is accurate, then this is the year where we should expect to see some signs. But even so, he can perform well in camp but still be buried in the depth chart ala Streeter or a Devon before they broke out. There is some talent with experience ahead of him so him not cracking the deep won't necessarily be an implication against Rico at least not for next year.

I guess the question is what would make someone think he'll suddenly become a contributor.

He came in a 'project' in the 'must transform himself physically' mold. That's a low probability endeavor to begin with. Plenty of kids who you project to be difference makers if they can only transform their body type don't end up getting there.

Since he's been here two seasons, he's shown zero reason to think he's on the path to transformation. Many people have reported him as looking not in great shape. He has not only not contributed on the field, he hasn't even been rumored to have looked good on the scout team.

In the mean time, we have brought in guys around him. Guys like AQM and Kamalu this year, McCord, Jelani Hamilton and Hoilett last year, Chickillo the same year as Williams. So it's not like there's a clear path for him to get his opportunities.

Finally, for my $0.02, in addition to the foregoing, he was a reach project. Quick first step was about what was said. But not strong, thin, and a body type that didn't look likely to fill out as a DE, in my view. And it sounds like he hasn't. I also haven't heard anyone say he's been the first guy to the weight room or the last guy to leave. I've heard mixed things about his work ethic, to be honest. And since he hasn't played, there's nothing to notice but what hasn't happened. 'The dog that didn't bark' is a legitimate inference to pause upon. Based on what I know of him as a prospect and body type, and what I've heard of his efforts and lack of impact on the practice field, and what I'd seen of him on the field (nothing), and the guys we've brought in around him, I don't expect him to become a meaningful contributor at UM. I don't like having to write that all out because the kid is a UM athlete, but you asked.

bottom line based on hearsay. Thanks for the effort though. preciate it.

I will say this, irony in that out of all our DE's he has the measurables desired by the NFL. If he's able to keep his athleticism while getting to around 270+ he'll have the physical edge over other DE's. Now how good he is at controlling the edge, fighting off blocks and getting to the QB is still an unknown. But an intriguing athlete he is. Jason Pierre Paul was once a project and probably even more so than Rico.

Whatever dude. Why dont you go on record with your view rather than take passive aggressive shots at folks who actually discuss things around here.

 

[2Focusd804]

You are free not to post here if you don't like the exchange of views. But if you're going to take snide, condescending shots at people who express their views, then don't be surprised to find your posts disfavored.

I asked a fair question. Don't fault me for your insecurities.
Again I'll ask- what is the prevailing thought that Rico being a career bum based on?
If you can't support your position on why you think that other than to say "because that's what I think" then feel free not to reply. If you can let's hear it.

You asked an open-ended question of no-one. No insecurities here, but no time for annoying porsters, either.

look I told you I'm only interested in responses that support a position on Rico being destined to being a bum not your red herring attempt that aims to turn this discussion arguing semantics or a platform to antagonize posters you feel are annoying. You're good at that but keep it on the wez. This board is for football discussions.
Look I'll help you out.
My position on Rico is that it's to early to tell. He came in tall underweight lanky kid. At 6-5 even 230 in underweight. The last thing this DL needed last year was an underweight kid. If his reported weight of 250 is accurate, then this is the year where we should expect to see some signs. But even so, he can perform well in camp but still be buried in the depth chart ala Streeter or a Devon before they broke out. There is some talent with experience ahead of him so him not cracking the deep won't necessarily be an implication against Rico at least not for next year.

I guess the question is what would make someone think he'll suddenly become a contributor.

He came in a 'project' in the 'must transform himself physically' mold. That's a low probability endeavor to begin with. Plenty of kids who you project to be difference makers if they can only transform their body type don't end up getting there.

Since he's been here two seasons, he's shown zero reason to think he's on the path to transformation. Many people have reported him as looking not in great shape. He has not only not contributed on the field, he hasn't even been rumored to have looked good on the scout team.

In the mean time, we have brought in guys around him. Guys like AQM and Kamalu this year, McCord, Jelani Hamilton and Hoilett last year, Chickillo the same year as Williams. So it's not like there's a clear path for him to get his opportunities.

Finally, for my $0.02, in addition to the foregoing, he was a reach project. Quick first step was about what was said. But not strong, thin, and a body type that didn't look likely to fill out as a DE, in my view. And it sounds like he hasn't. I also haven't heard anyone say he's been the first guy to the weight room or the last guy to leave. I've heard mixed things about his work ethic, to be honest. And since he hasn't played, there's nothing to notice but what hasn't happened. 'The dog that didn't bark' is a legitimate inference to pause upon. Based on what I know of him as a prospect and body type, and what I've heard of his efforts and lack of impact on the practice field, and what I'd seen of him on the field (nothing), and the guys we've brought in around him, I don't expect him to become a meaningful contributor at UM. I don't like having to write that all out because the kid is a UM athlete, but you asked.

I'm not sure i understand what u are trying to say. 1st u say that he was a reach prospect and has a quick first step (which is probably to most important tool a DE has) and what makes him a "reach"? your scouting of him? 2nd u say he's not strong and thin which are too things that u can directly work on even if u have no talent. some posters have already alluded to him gaining more weight. 3rd u mention his work ethic, which u say u have heard mixed things about which would lead most to believe u have heard good and bad things about his work ethic, so why do u automatically assume the people saying bad things are right and not the people saying good things? everybody can't be the "first one and and last one to leave" doesn't mean they dont work hard. 4th u talk about "a lack of impact on the practice field" i didn't kno u were on the coaching staff and see every practice and workout and also breakdown the practice film as well. will Williams every contribute at Miami? who knows, but i do kno it is foolish to right off a RS Freshman player

 

[Ethnicsands]

I'm not sure i understand what u are trying to say. 1st u say that he was a reach prospect and has a quick first step (which is probably to most important tool a DE has) and what makes him a "reach"? your scouting of him? 2nd u say he's not strong and thin which are too things that u can directly work on even if u have no talent. some posters have already alluded to him gaining more weight. 3rd u mention his work ethic, which u say u have heard mixed things about which would lead most to believe u have heard good and bad things about his work ethic, so why do u automatically assume the people saying bad things are right and not the people saying good things? everybody can't be the "first one and and last one to leave" doesn't mean they dont work hard. 4th u talk about "a lack of impact on the practice field" i didn't kno u were on the coaching staff and see every practice and workout and also breakdown the practice film as well. will Williams every contribute at Miami? who knows, but i do kno it is foolish to right off a RS Freshman player

My comments aren't hard to understand. You are free to believe what you want. I guess we'll see what happens from here. But your snotty suggestion that no one can or should have a view unless they 'see every practice and also breakdown the practice film as well' marks you as a truly useless porster on this board.

 

[2Focusd804]

I'm not sure i understand what u are trying to say. 1st u say that he was a reach prospect and has a quick first step (which is probably to most important tool a DE has) and what makes him a "reach"? your scouting of him? 2nd u say he's not strong and thin which are too things that u can directly work on even if u have no talent. some posters have already alluded to him gaining more weight. 3rd u mention his work ethic, which u say u have heard mixed things about which would lead most to believe u have heard good and bad things about his work ethic, so why do u automatically assume the people saying bad things are right and not the people saying good things? everybody can't be the "first one and and last one to leave" doesn't mean they dont work hard. 4th u talk about "a lack of impact on the practice field" i didn't kno u were on the coaching staff and see every practice and workout and also breakdown the practice film as well. will Williams every contribute at Miami? who knows, but i do kno it is foolish to right off a RS Freshman player

My comments aren't hard to understand. You are free to believe what you want. I guess we'll see what happens from here. But your snotty suggestion that no one can or should have a view unless they 'see every practice and also breakdown the practice film as well' marks you as a truly useless porster on this board.

did u read what i wrote? did u read what you wrote? you said that he has "no impact on the practice field" so yea i think u would have to see the practice or the practice film to determine if he is having an impact at practice

 

[Ghandi]

Hoilett will be starting by the end of the year... opposite McCord.

Jesus, what a ******* idiot..

 

[canecountry3]

Hoilett will be starting by the end of the year... opposite McCord.

Jesus, what a ****ing idiot..

Chickillo isn't that great of a DE. It is what is.