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Ricardo Williams & Dwayne Hoilett

UM hired a nutritionist and support staff for them last year. **** UM could have used grad students from the medical school nutrition program.

Go canes
 
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CaneBoss said:
So I was glancing at the UM roster and noticed Ricardo Williams is up to a listed 251lbs (from 210 lbs out of high school) and Dwayne Hoilett is at 247 lbs (fr/ 215 lbs a year ago).

I know the knock on these guys was their weight - so after adding 30-40 lbs, will these two kids make an impact for our defensive front in 2013?
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The roster weights and heights have not been updated since August 11 2012. The spring game is the next time the roster gets updated.
 
Dwayne Holliet is jacked. I see him all the time on campus.

From way back when Randy Shannon was recruiting Rico I said his body type was not capable of adding the good weight he needed and thus far I am right.

Kid had Ethiopian type shoulders and I knew he wouldn't be able to handle the weight gain needed for the DE position.
 
2 years + into U-tough he should be further ahead of where he is. Sure we've had a lot of 4/5th year turn arounds, but not feeling it on Rico.
 
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The weight issue with Rico was always overrated...its college football, not the NFL. LSU was walking out 240lbs of Barkevious Mingo last year. Tons of college football DEs running around at 220lbs. Rico went way overboard with the weight gain.

With that said, any kind of positive play from him on the field would yield a net positive at this point.
 
I've learned not to give up on guys after a couple years in the program. It's always nice to be able to say "hey, I called that guy sucking the minute he flew out of his mom's twizzat", but we've seen way too many examples lately of guys coming on strong after languishing for longer than Rico has and being completely written off by the fans. Two dudes come to mind immediately--Ben Jones and Davon Johnson. Everyone wanted to yank their scholarships prior to last season, yet they both came out and were having really nice senior seasons before getting hurt. In fact, at one point DJ was our most reliable WR.
 
The Franchise said:
I've learned not to give up on guys after a couple years in the program. It's always nice to be able to say "hey, I called that guy sucking the minute he flew out of his mom's twizzat", but we've seen way too many examples lately of guys coming on strong after languishing for longer than Rico has and being completely written off by the fans. Two dudes come to mind immediately--Ben Jones and Davon Johnson. Everyone wanted to yank their scholarships prior to last season, yet they both came out and were having really nice senior seasons before getting hurt. In fact, at one point DJ was our most reliable WR.
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But never did anyone have a question about either of those guys athletically. Their issues were really upstairs, and the light eventually went on.

Rico, different issue.
 
Larry said:
The weight issue with Rico was always overrated...its college football, not the NFL. LSU was walking out 240lbs of Barkevious Mingo last year. Tons of college football DEs running around at 220lbs. Rico went way overboard with the weight gain.

With that said, any kind of positive play from him on the field would yield a net positive at this point.
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Unfair comparison. No way is a dude named Barkevious not going to kick ***.

/why don we gots no Barkeviouses?
 
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The Franchise said:
I've learned not to give up on guys after a couple years in the program. It's always nice to be able to say "hey, I called that guy sucking the minute he flew out of his mom's twizzat", but we've seen way too many examples lately of guys coming on strong after languishing for longer than Rico has and being completely written off by the fans. Two dudes come to mind immediately--Ben Jones and Davon Johnson. Everyone wanted to yank their scholarships prior to last season, yet they both came out and were having really nice senior seasons before getting hurt. In fact, at one point DJ was our most reliable WR.
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Fair point of course. Just crazy he couldn't sniff the field last year while Green and Chick are playing more snaps than any DE in the country.
 
JHallCanes said:
The Franchise said:
I've learned not to give up on guys after a couple years in the program. It's always nice to be able to say "hey, I called that guy sucking the minute he flew out of his mom's twizzat", but we've seen way too many examples lately of guys coming on strong after languishing for longer than Rico has and being completely written off by the fans. Two dudes come to mind immediately--Ben Jones and Davon Johnson. Everyone wanted to yank their scholarships prior to last season, yet they both came out and were having really nice senior seasons before getting hurt. In fact, at one point DJ was our most reliable WR.
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Fair point of course. Just crazy he couldn't sniff the field last year while Green and Chick are playing more snaps than any DE in the country.
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True that it did suck. But not everyone is ready to play that position as a RS freshmans. He clearly wasn't ready. You guys might be right, and he might never be ready to contribute, but all I'm saying is that I learned my lesson in being too quick on the trigger on players.
 
Ethnicsands said:
The Franchise said:
I've learned not to give up on guys after a couple years in the program. It's always nice to be able to say "hey, I called that guy sucking the minute he flew out of his mom's twizzat", but we've seen way too many examples lately of guys coming on strong after languishing for longer than Rico has and being completely written off by the fans. Two dudes come to mind immediately--Ben Jones and Davon Johnson. Everyone wanted to yank their scholarships prior to last season, yet they both came out and were having really nice senior seasons before getting hurt. In fact, at one point DJ was our most reliable WR.
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But never did anyone have a question about either of those guys athletically. Their issues were really upstairs, and the light eventually went on.

Rico, different issue.
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I'm not sold that Rico is a bum athletically. And the questions on Jones and Johnson were pervasive enough for the overwhelming majority of Canes fans to be calling for both guys to be cut loose prior to their senior seasons.
 
The Franchise said:
JHallCanes said:
The Franchise said:
I've learned not to give up on guys after a couple years in the program. It's always nice to be able to say "hey, I called that guy sucking the minute he flew out of his mom's twizzat", but we've seen way too many examples lately of guys coming on strong after languishing for longer than Rico has and being completely written off by the fans. Two dudes come to mind immediately--Ben Jones and Davon Johnson. Everyone wanted to yank their scholarships prior to last season, yet they both came out and were having really nice senior seasons before getting hurt. In fact, at one point DJ was our most reliable WR.
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Fair point of course. Just crazy he couldn't sniff the field last year while Green and Chick are playing more snaps than any DE in the country.
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True that it did suck. But not everyone is ready to play that position as a RS freshmans. He clearly wasn't ready. You guys might be right, and he might never be ready to contribute, but all I'm saying is that I learned my lesson in being too quick on the trigger on players.
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Tough part for Rico is Allah Golden has brought himself in some **** good guys on the edges. Rico was a skinny kid with a nice burst in high school, so do they try to pack on weight and have him set the edge, or does he get in the mix with the other guys after turning some of that bad weight good again?

I shake my head sometimes at the nonchalant way some people talk about putting on weight and weight room numbers. Some kids it comes easy, some it is a grind, but like you said it's not always a one year project and maybe Rico went through a bit of the same thing Chick did, just further behind obviously.
 
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The Franchise said:
Ethnicsands said:
The Franchise said:
I've learned not to give up on guys after a couple years in the program. It's always nice to be able to say "hey, I called that guy sucking the minute he flew out of his mom's twizzat", but we've seen way too many examples lately of guys coming on strong after languishing for longer than Rico has and being completely written off by the fans. Two dudes come to mind immediately--Ben Jones and Davon Johnson. Everyone wanted to yank their scholarships prior to last season, yet they both came out and were having really nice senior seasons before getting hurt. In fact, at one point DJ was our most reliable WR.
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But never did anyone have a question about either of those guys athletically. Their issues were really upstairs, and the light eventually went on.

Rico, different issue.
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I'm not sold that Rico is a bum athletically. And the questions on Jones and Johnson were pervasive enough for the overwhelming majority of Canes fans to be calling for both guys to be cut loose prior to their senior seasons.
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I admit to having questions on those guys after 4 years in the program, but again, we knew jones was big and strong, and davon solid and fast. So i wasnt suprised when the light went on, just hadnt expected it.

Rico, i'm not convinced he can play at this level. Forgt will. I mean can.
 
Ofacekilla said:
CaneBoss said:
So I was glancing at the UM roster and noticed Ricardo Williams is up to a listed 251lbs (from 210 lbs out of high school) and Dwayne Hoilett is at 247 lbs (fr/ 215 lbs a year ago).

I know the knock on these guys was their weight - so after adding 30-40 lbs, will these two kids make an impact for our defensive front in 2013?
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The roster weights and heights have not been updated since August 11 2012. The spring game is the next time the roster gets updated.
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Do we know this for sure? That would mean Hoilett gained 30 lbs over a very short period of time (from the middle/end of his HS season until August 11th.)
 
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FWIW 9 days ago Dwayne responded on twitter to a question about his weight with "240" and 2 days later he said "trying to put on this extra weight. Why's it so hard"
 
Ethnicsands said:
Yeah, I'd be very surprised if Williams ever contributes on the field here.

Hoilett, sounds like he's on track.
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Would be surprised if Williams remains on the roster much longer. As desperate as we are for DE's dude hasn't cracked the line-up, probably time to move on.
 
I am not a fan of kicking a kid off the team before he has had 3 seasons under his belt unless he is total cancer. If a kid is working hard and contributing let him stay.
 
Lol at wanting to kick a dude off the roster after two years (one in which he redshirted)
 
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