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@roly2324 Correct me if I'm wrong, but your gripe is that we only land a few of the big fish in South Florida each year. Miami has never, and will never, win all of the top cats down here. That's a stone cold fact you'll just have to accept. Every serious school east of the Mississippi recruits this area heavily, so tough luck. That is not true of Alabama, or Louisiana, or Ohio, or anywhere ******* else. You know who was winning tons of top cats for the last few years? FSU (247 #6 in 2017, #3 in 2016, #3 in 2015, #4 in 2014), who we just beat on the road last year, and who we are about to annihilate at Hard Rock in a few months.

In golf, they say that you should swing the club softly and learn to live with the extra yardage. In Miami recruiting, you need to accept the 50/50 4*/3* SoFlo diet, and learn to live with the wins a competent coach will provide. We will never be Auburn or Tennessee or Oklahoma and I couldn't be happier to say that.
 
OrdunaDrive said:
@roly2324 Correct me if I'm wrong, but your gripe is that we only land a few of the big fish in South Florida each year. Miami has never, and will never, win all of the top cats down here. That's a stone cold fact you'll just have to accept. Every serious school east of the Mississippi recruits this area heavily, so tough luck. That is not true of Alabama, or Louisiana, or Ohio, or anywhere ******* else. You know who was winning tons of top cats for the last few years? FSU (247 #6 in 2017, #3 in 2016, #3 in 2015, #4 in 2014), who we just beat on the road last year, and who we are about to annihilate at Hard Rock in a few months.

In golf, they say that you should swing the club softly and learn to live with the extra yardage. In Miami recruiting, you need to accept the 50/50 4*/3* SoFlo diet, and learn to live with the wins a competent coach will provide. We will never be Auburn or Tennessee or Oklahoma and I couldn't be happier to say that.
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Break it down to simple math and people still can't grasp it.

Tri County Area puts out **** near 200 kids a year that go D1.

We can take 25.

All the salt is crazy.
 
Maybe you are right.. maybe if we continue to win this year then Category 20 can turn the tide for good.

OrdunaDrive said:
Miami finished 6-6 under Folden in the 2011 season, sat out our bowl game while facing the NCAA investigation, had a pretty below-average recruiting staff, and finished with the #10 class in the nation. I agree that the bagman is real, and that we're probably outgunned in the good-ole-boy department by most of the competition, but that doesn't tell the whole story.
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337CaneNation said:
I honestly like our commitment list, what's more frustrating for me is seeing how recruits that have UM high are constantly getting over looked with the Stars and rankings, IF our commits got the rankings and stars THIS class would be considered one of the bet classes..

I look at a commit like Brooks, there is no way in **** this kid is just a 3 star, he has been lighting it up since he got in high school, BUT of course he gets hurt and commits to Miami and he's only a 3 star!! Crowley another UM commit that has been showing that he is one of the better RBs in this class and he's still a 3 star..

THAT'S what frustrating about this whole process and I guarantee coach's from other schools have noticed it as well and they might be using that, when RECRUITING these recruit's..
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That's what I said in my post "Recruiting Rankings are Garbage." Guys are not correctly rated.
The perception becomes the reality on the national level of who has recruited the best players. I trust our staff regardless of the star next to a kid's name. As the team wins more, kids will be lining up to commit.

I think last year's success has created an expectation that is probably more suited for 2020 and 2021 classes. The staff knows what it's doing. Why do you think we have Alabama on the schedule in 2021? We need to win the ACC in 2019-2020. Winning the ACC in 2018 would be glorious, but it's not expected. When we win that ACC title and make the CFP, the recruiting floodgates will open.

On another note, I've been watching Clemson's recruiting. They have recruited extremely well at DE with 3 top players in the Las 2 cycles. However, the've recruited 1 DT in the last 2 cycles and will lose at least 1 from the 2016 cycle to the NFL. It will be interesting to see how well they recruit DT this year. IMO, 2019 will be the year to take down Clemson.
 
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ageezy said:
needed to win that wisconsin game ...
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We need to grow a couple more feet and put them in L$U's ***, F$U's *** and VaTechs ***. Hopefully by the ACC Championship game we would have jelled and can take Clemp$on out
 
OrdunaDrive said:
@roly2324 Correct me if I'm wrong, but your gripe is that we only land a few of the big fish in South Florida each year. Miami has never, and will never, win all of the top cats down here. That's a stone cold fact you'll just have to accept. Every serious school east of the Mississippi recruits this area heavily, so tough luck. That is not true of Alabama, or Louisiana, or Ohio, or anywhere ******* else. You know who was winning tons of top cats for the last few years? FSU (247 #6 in 2017, #3 in 2016, #3 in 2015, #4 in 2014), who we just beat on the road last year, and who we are about to annihilate at Hard Rock in a few months.

In golf, they say that you should swing the club softly and learn to live with the extra yardage. In Miami recruiting, you need to accept the 50/50 4*/3* SoFlo diet, and learn to live with the wins a competent coach will provide. We will never be Auburn or Tennessee or Oklahoma and I couldn't be happier to say that.
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You're absolutely correct and I'm surprised most people don't know this. Maybe a lot of these posters haven't been following recruiting that long.

Even in our absolute best years, we lost a ****load of So Florida talent (but we still got a ****load!). FSU, UF, SEC schools, OSU, etc have raided So Florida for recruits for decades. Nothing new here.
 
I'm still shock that fans on here, still complain about the recruits that leave SoFla, Miami's staff is RECRUITING the **** out of there local recruits, WHY is it so hard for these fans to see ALL SOFLA talent DOESN'T want to stay home!! NO MATTER HOW MUCH FANS ON HERE COMPLAIN, BLAME THE STAFF, every SoFla recruit doesn't want to play for the hometown Canes, for whatever reason..

It's really hard for me to blame the staff for not keeping the local studs home, when I see them recruiting hard for them, I'm going to say it over and over and over and over MIAMI COACHES DON'T SIGN THESE RECRUITS LOI FORMS, THEY DO!!

And whatever fans don't think this Surge19' class is going to be a good one, needs to stop posting.. Why do we need these RECRUITS to commit right now?? Early NSD is not til December and the next is in February, so why we can't just believe that the staff will get the recruits we all want here..
 
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As time goes on I'm starting to realize we won't win a championship or compete at an elite level until we can recruit 3 stars as well as Wisconsin or Virginia Tech. We need to be able to find more Michael Pinckney type talent that are just 3 stars.

Richt hasn't done a good job so far. We got some real dubs 3 stars.
 
Dude idk if this was directed at me but at no point have I blamed the staff. I have given them credit in every post almost. The staff is not the problem, it's the bag culture and local coaches. Also there is a difference between recruiting South Florida and getting it's top players... You know the Michels, Jeudys, Ridley types that are program changers consistently.
337CaneNation said:
I'm still shock that fans on here, still complain about the recruits that leave SoFla, Miami's staff is RECRUITING the **** out of there local recruits, WHY is it so hard for these fans to see ALL SOFLA talent DOESN'T want to stay home!! NO MATTER HOW MUCH FANS ON HERE COMPLAIN, BLAME THE STAFF, every SoFla recruit doesn't want to play for the hometown Canes, for whatever reason..

It's really hard for me to blame the staff for not keeping the local studs home, when I see them recruiting hard for them, I'm going to say it over and over and over and over MIAMI COACHES DON'T SIGN THESE RECRUITS LOI FORMS, THEY DO!!
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roly2324 said:
Nah I'm actually going to post more. If you are not concerned with the cream of the crop leaving South Florida every year because of bags or whatever other reason then you are that dude that will be happy to win 9/10 games to get curb stomped by Clemson or Bama. I want to win and what I see is that whenever the big boys come down here they take the cream of the crop.


Take a guy like Stevenson from Southridge... guy is a dade kid and should be a lock. Instead he has not committed and has no plans to in the summer at all. We don't have any blue chip ambassadors in this class like we had last class and our on the field product was a marked improvement over years past. Look a the best players in South Florida last 2 years:


Tyson Campbell
Patrick Surtain
Josh Jobe
Gurvan Hall
Gilbert Frierson

of those we only got two and our top target at CB and safety was cherry picked from us.

This year :

Ladson - top option at WR heading to Clemson
TS- Reportedly a Georgia lean and according to Stefan making a "business decision"
Battle- Heavy OSU favorite might make a commitment video soon
MAR- Has brother on team and will wait until December to possibly commit ( Auburn a serious dark horse)
Bogle- UT/Bama and $EC money written all over it.. will probably wait it out till NSD and to the highest bidder
Neal- Miami lean but heavily recruited by everyone ( and rightly so) but no idea when he will commit..

So we have a class full of B and B+ players but to win you need to keep at least 80 % of those Blue chippers in your backyard every year. You think Mama, Georgia and OSU are CONSISTENTLY losing their top players? Not only do they lock them up but then they go national and get top dudes in other areas like South Florida. Freaking Saban locked down Alabama and then came here and got the most highly regarded corner in Surtain and Georgia did the same thing by bringing in TC.


Meanwhile Richt is out here donating $1 million to IPF, taking payout to pay assistant coaches, building ties with the community and hosting all these camps, creating unique events like Miami Nights and the best camp in town in Paradise , winning games and all we have to show for it is mostly B players WITHOUT A SINGLE OF OUR TOP TARGETS in the class?

it's depressing to say the least... a this point I'm just hoping for MAR and Neal because it looks like we will miss out on everyone else.
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I hate to break it to you but, it's conceivable those kids actually liked other programs better and aren't mentally Hurricane material; unlike AR82, Trajan, Gurvan, and Nesta. This thing was built on dudes coming to Miami when nobody else wanted to be here, and we'll continue to attract the athletes who aren't afraid to carry that legacy. It's easy to get caught up in all the hype but this recruiting stuff really sorts itself out in the end.

Your post is excessively emotional and wildly desperate. You should relax and rest assured, []__[] have highly capable leadership in place and we're headed in the right direction.
 
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Two years ago we ended the season on a winning streak including a beat down of a ranked WVU team.

Last year we limped to the finish line. This not only hurt our close on the '18 class, but has slowed the '19 class as well.

Of course, there are other factors involved in recruiting kids, but the losing streak to end the season has hurt us.
 
One thing Nesta said that will always stay true, was when he saud he not gonna say names, but there are some people that didnt come to miami because of the standard that the U has
 
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