RB depth is unacceptable

I'm a little more concerned with how our RB's are used than our depth at RB. I don't understand why Duke is/was being ran into the ground. He's not capable of running between the tackles consistently. I would have liked to see him get his 22-25 touches in the passing game, screens, some outside runs, a few times between the tackles and in the return game. I don't understand how we were so concerned with getting him hurt on returns and we continued to run him between the tackles and keep him in on pass protection where he had gotten hurt multiple times earlier in the season. We have our between the tackles RB in Crawford yet he only had 2 carries but had 3 catches. Coley is a great recruiter but so far his play calling has been questionable.

We ran Duke because he's our best player. You can't predict a broken ankle. Gurley's a big dude, and he gets hurt too. RB is a nasty position by nature, which is why you need to stockpile talent there.


You and I had this exchange a couple weeks ago. I said we would eventually lose Duke Johnson because of injury due to being over-worked. What coach Coley did to Duke Johnson this year was criminal and was being called out by folks like me here while it was happening. The kid was too small and too young to be getting 30 carries a game. Moreover, we put him in one back sets and ran him between the tackles on 4th and short. Coach Coley needs to learn the difference between using your best player and the best player for a given situation. 4th and short should be for Mo Hagens, Walter Tucker, etc.


At the end of the day, plenty of us here predicted that Duke Johnson would not last the season and we've been proven correct. We've got a redshirt sophomore offensive coordinator who is learning on the job. He needs to do a better job of roster management. Way better job IMO.
 
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Soooooo you think he broke his ankle bc he was over worked... to me he broke his ankle bc a 325+ pound player rolled over him at the wrong time
 
Soooooo you think he broke his ankle bc he was over worked... to me he broke his ankle bc a 325+ pound player rolled over him at the wrong time


Was only a matter of time. He broke his ankle on his 34 carry in the 3rd quarter. And he was returning kicks.

He's a 19 year old kid who weighs less than 200 pounds. He was getting absolutely abused and some of us noted it here while it was happening. This was the obvious result, without regard to the specifics.
 
I'm a little more concerned with how our RB's are used than our depth at RB. I don't understand why Duke is/was being ran into the ground. He's not capable of running between the tackles consistently. I would have liked to see him get his 22-25 touches in the passing game, screens, some outside runs, a few times between the tackles and in the return game. I don't understand how we were so concerned with getting him hurt on returns and we continued to run him between the tackles and keep him in on pass protection where he had gotten hurt multiple times earlier in the season. We have our between the tackles RB in Crawford yet he only had 2 carries but had 3 catches. Coley is a great recruiter but so far his play calling has been questionable.

We ran Duke because he's our best player. You can't predict a broken ankle. Gurley's a big dude, and he gets hurt too. RB is a nasty position by nature, which is why you need to stockpile talent there.

You can't tell these dudes nothing. Had cats on here last night, saying duke was being run into the ground. Crying about Crawford, and Cementshoe weren't getting any carries. Yet they don't look at the fact. If you don't convert 3rd downs, and sustain drives. Not many people are going to get opportunities.

FSU ground game had like 40 carries, to our 27. They also converted 11 of 15 3rd downs, to our 4 of 12.
 
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I believe Golden got on Freeman right when hw was hired, but it was too late. Freeman was actually part of our allegations:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--hurricanes-coach-al-golden-s-staff-used-booster-s-associate-in-potential-recruiting-violations.html

On Jan. 3, 2011, a little more than three weeks after Golden's hire, Allen allegedly aided Barrow in attempting to convince Florida State commitment Devonta Freeman to withdraw from the school in favor of playing at Miami – the day before Freeman was set to begin classes at FSU as an early enrollee.

Allen's Jan. 3 phone records show repeated phone calls to or from the hotly recruited Miami Central running back, as well as the player's mother, Lorraine.

Allen's phone records show six calls to Freeman and four calls to the prep running back's mother, intertwined with 17 calls with Barrow, who was Miami's lead recruiter on Freeman. According to a source at Florida State, Freeman was questioned by investigators about his Jan. 3 contact with Barrow and Allen.

Allen's phone records show calls to Freeman and Freeman's mother four times in the early afternoon. After the fourth call, in which Allen spoke to Freeman for 32 minutes, he then placed six consecutive calls to Barrow's cell and office lines in a span of 18 minutes. Later that evening, Allen's records show he attempted to conference Barrow in to a call to Freeman's mother. That call lasted only one minute, and Allen then conferenced Barrow in to a second unlisted number.


Phone records between Sean Allen and Micheal Barrow and recruit Devonta Freeman.
Phone records between Sean Allen and Micheal Barrow and recruit Devonta Freeman.
Four other times during the course of the night, Allen connected with Barrow and then immediately called Freeman or Freeman's mother. At 10:02 p.m., Allen conferenced Barrow into a call with Freeman. That conference call between Allen, Freeman and Barrow lasted for 13 minutes, and upon its conclusion, Allen immediately called Barrow for a call that lasted four minutes.
After 11 p.m. that same evening, Barrow called Allen's cell again for six minutes. Following that call, Allen placed a call to an unlisted number, and then a second call to Durell Eskridge, a prep recruit who was known to be a close friend of Freeman's and also his teammate at Miami Central High School. Allen was connected with Eskridge for six minutes, then called Barrow again. Before the night was over, he would speak to Eskridge one more time, then immediately to Barrow, before placing a final one-minute call to Freeman.

A spokesperson for the Seminoles and Freeman declined comment, standing on the school's policy that players aren't currently available to the media. Eskridge, who plays football at Syracuse, did not return a message left on his cell phone voicemail.
 
Don't forget about monster bust Danny Dillard.

In Golden's defense, it was an absolutely terrible year for RB's nationwide.
 
totally agree. Crawford runs hard and had a nice game against unc but there is a big drop off after duke.. we need more depth at the position. having one starting caliber back at Miami is not acceptable.
 
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Soooooo you think he broke his ankle bc he was over worked... to me he broke his ankle bc a 325+ pound player rolled over him at the wrong time


Was only a matter of time. He broke his ankle on his 34 carry in the 3rd quarter. And he was returning kicks.

He's a 19 year old kid who weighs less than 200 pounds. He was getting absolutely abused and some of us noted it here while it was happening. This was the obvious result, without regard to the specifics.

BS, you can blame Coley for a lot of things but feeding your best player the ball in the biggest game of the year shouldn't be blamed. He got hurt in a pile where his foot couldn't get loose.
 
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If it wasn't for Alex Collins inexplicably going to that pos of a town and Storm Johnson being a pot head, we'd have the best depth in the nation right now.

It's just a series of unfortunate events (great book btw) that lead us to being in this position we're currently in. This is more of an anomaly rather than what we'll begin to see in the coming years.
 
If it wasn't for Alex Collins inexplicably going to that pos of a town and Storm Johnson being a pot head, we'd have the best depth in the nation right now.

It's just a series of unfortunate events (great book btw) that lead us to being in this position we're currently in. This is more of an anomaly rather than what we'll begin to see in the coming years.

This. Shizz happens it sucks but that's why you recruit the position like QB always try and grab a top guy every cycle
 
I'm a little more concerned with how our RB's are used than our depth at RB. I don't understand why Duke is/was being ran into the ground. He's not capable of running between the tackles consistently. I would have liked to see him get his 22-25 touches in the passing game, screens, some outside runs, a few times between the tackles and in the return game. I don't understand how we were so concerned with getting him hurt on returns and we continued to run him between the tackles and keep him in on pass protection where he had gotten hurt multiple times earlier in the season. We have our between the tackles RB in Crawford yet he only had 2 carries but had 3 catches. Coley is a great recruiter but so far his play calling has been questionable.

I agree with you about him at kick returner. Drives me up the wall. However if you have situational RB's, then the opposing DC will read your plays like a book. IMO platooning your 3 best RB's keeps people fresh without tipping off the defense. I happen to think we will be pleasantly surprised at the guys we have left. OT needs to step up, and I think he will.

Agreed Port. My problem is Duke really hasn't been used much at all in the passing game, he was dynamic in the passing game last year. You see Duke running between the tackles nearly two-thirds of the time when he gets the ball. I' not saying I want to see him just in certain situations, I would just like to see us give him the ball in space a few more times a game. But that's a moot point now. I would have liked to have seen Crawford in the game for 10-15 more snaps even in situations where Duke was on the field as well. I definitely agree with the platooning idea.
 
I'm a little more concerned with how our RB's are used than our depth at RB. I don't understand why Duke is/was being ran into the ground. He's not capable of running between the tackles consistently. I would have liked to see him get his 22-25 touches in the passing game, screens, some outside runs, a few times between the tackles and in the return game. I don't understand how we were so concerned with getting him hurt on returns and we continued to run him between the tackles and keep him in on pass protection where he had gotten hurt multiple times earlier in the season. We have our between the tackles RB in Crawford yet he only had 2 carries but had 3 catches. Coley is a great recruiter but so far his play calling has been questionable.

We ran Duke because he's our best player. You can't predict a broken ankle. Gurley's a big dude, and he gets hurt too. RB is a nasty position by nature, which is why you need to stockpile talent there.


You and I had this exchange a couple weeks ago. I said we would eventually lose Duke Johnson because of injury due to being over-worked. What coach Coley did to Duke Johnson this year was criminal and was being called out by folks like me here while it was happening. The kid was too small and too young to be getting 30 carries a game. Moreover, we put him in one back sets and ran him between the tackles on 4th and short. Coach Coley needs to learn the difference between using your best player and the best player for a given situation. 4th and short should be for Mo Hagens, Walter Tucker, etc.


At the end of the day, plenty of us here predicted that Duke Johnson would not last the season and we've been proven correct. We've got a redshirt sophomore offensive coordinator who is learning on the job. He needs to do a better job of roster management. Way better job IMO.

You're certainly prescient, and I'm not. Glad you were able to accurately predict Duke getting his ankle grotesquely pinned him under him and that it was Coley's fault. You do realize that that sort of freak injury could have occurred on the first play of the game right?

Some of you guys crack me up with how idiotic you can be. LULZ at you "predicting" he wouldn't make it through the season as if that's something all that rare for a starting RB. Did you predict that big hoss Gurley at UGA would hurt his ankle too? How about the biggest baddest RB in football Adrian Peterson tearing his knees up? Did you predict those?
 
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I'm a little more concerned with how our RB's are used than our depth at RB. I don't understand why Duke is/was being ran into the ground. He's not capable of running between the tackles consistently. I would have liked to see him get his 22-25 touches in the passing game, screens, some outside runs, a few times between the tackles and in the return game. I don't understand how we were so concerned with getting him hurt on returns and we continued to run him between the tackles and keep him in on pass protection where he had gotten hurt multiple times earlier in the season. We have our between the tackles RB in Crawford yet he only had 2 carries but had 3 catches. Coley is a great recruiter but so far his play calling has been questionable.

We ran Duke because he's our best player. You can't predict a broken ankle. Gurley's a big dude, and he gets hurt too. RB is a nasty position by nature, which is why you need to stockpile talent there.

You can't tell these dudes nothing. Had cats on here last night, saying duke was being run into the ground. Crying about Crawford, and Cementshoe weren't getting any carries. Yet they don't look at the fact. If you don't convert 3rd downs, and sustain drives. Not many people are going to get opportunities.

FSU ground game had like 40 carries, to our 27. They also converted 11 of 15 3rd downs, to our 4 of 12.

I think some of these guys are either half-retarded, or they're just trolling all the time. They want our best player to get 10 carries a game against fsu, and then they tell us that they predicted his ankle would get grotesquely rolled up under him. LULZ. Then, if Dallas is out there getting stuffed for negative yards against fsu they'd all be crying about Duke not getting enough touches.

Football's a tough game, and RBs get hurt all the time no matter how big or small they are. That's why you stockpile at that position, which we haven't for whatever the reasons might be.
 
The reason we brought in Gus Edwards was to play this year he just is not ready that would have helped the depth
 
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Frankly, I'm amazed at what we've been able to do under the NCAA cloud that just dissipated. We got a reality check that confirmed what mean already knew - we're not on an elite level yet. However, we're 7-1 with no team left on our regular season schedule that is more talented. We are re-building, but the future is bright. I agree that Coach D needs to re-think his approach, but even our defense is better than it was last year.
 
I'm a little more concerned with how our RB's are used than our depth at RB. I don't understand why Duke is/was being ran into the ground. He's not capable of running between the tackles consistently. I would have liked to see him get his 22-25 touches in the passing game, screens, some outside runs, a few times between the tackles and in the return game. I don't understand how we were so concerned with getting him hurt on returns and we continued to run him between the tackles and keep him in on pass protection where he had gotten hurt multiple times earlier in the season. We have our between the tackles RB in Crawford yet he only had 2 carries but had 3 catches. Coley is a great recruiter but so far his play calling has been questionable.

We ran Duke because he's our best player. You can't predict a broken ankle. Gurley's a big dude, and he gets hurt too. RB is a nasty position by nature, which is why you need to stockpile talent there.

You can't tell these dudes nothing. Had cats on here last night, saying duke was being run into the ground. Crying about Crawford, and Cementshoe weren't getting any carries. Yet they don't look at the fact. If you don't convert 3rd downs, and sustain drives. Not many people are going to get opportunities.

FSU ground game had like 40 carries, to our 27. They also converted 11 of 15 3rd downs, to our 4 of 12.

I think some of these guys are either half-retarded, or they're just trolling all the time. They want our best player to get 10 carries a game against fsu, and then they tell us that they predicted his ankle would get grotesquely rolled up under him. LULZ. Then, if Dallas is out there getting stuffed for negative yards against fsu they'd all be crying about Duke not getting enough touches.

Football's a tough game, and RBs get hurt all the time no matter how big or small they are. That's why you stockpile at that position, which we haven't for whatever the reasons might be.

Franchise, my problem was more with the lack of innovation with how we used Duke. I would have liked to have seen him used on some misdirection plays, he was non existent in the passing game. Yes he is our best player and should have had the ball in his hands just in situations where he is able to thrive. Running Duke between the tackles each and every play is like asking Hines Ward to run a deep route every single play. Hines Ward was most effective going over the middle, on the sidelines, as a possession receiver. Duke is most effective in space.
 
Need to take the kid gloves off Edwards, and start getting him real touches.

I think the dude should help supplement the loss of Duke, running behind the #1 on the OL.

Morris is going to get sacked regardless of what RB is back there.
 
Believe it or not...i think either Sony or Cook flips in light of the new developments.
 
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