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Lu,

How does lining Paul up on a receiver and allowing a slant over and over effect your formula?is that the best option? Is that the only option. It happened all day and has bee happening all season.

Do you honestly believe he is putting the kids in the best position to win?

Why has vt's level of play regressed the two years he has been under coach D?

I agree that our talent is poor, but you think players and not plays and coach D is going an awful job of that.

We get beat with simple/elementary football plays. Slant - flat; hitches; simple seam routes. That's y every qb we play looks like an all American. They are making the simple pre snap reads (probably in disbelief) and throwing at the built in mismatches.

He is getting nearly nothing out of this d. how can he get a passing percentage when our alignment, play calling, and use of personnel has been this abysmal!
 
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mydas77 said:
Lu,

How does lining Paul up on a receiver and allowing a slant over and over effect your formula?is that the best option? Is that the only option. It happened all day and has bee happening all season.

Do you honestly believe he is putting the kids in the best position to win?

Why has vt's level of play regressed the two years he has been under coach D?

I agree that our talent is poor, but you think players and not plays and coach D is going an awful job of that.

We get beat with simple/elementary football plays. Slant - flat; hitches; simple seam routes. That's y every qb we play looks like an all American. They are making the simple pre snap reads (probably in disbelief) and throwing at the built in mismatches.

He is getting nearly nothing out of this d. how can he get a passing percentage when our alignment, play calling, and use of personnel has been this abysmal!
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Couple quick answers before i roll outta here to forget everything that happened today:

(1) No, I don't think he's putting guys in the best position to win, but his alternatives really suck also. I've seen him try a number of things.

(2) VT cannot be attributed to him. At all. That's a red herring. VT is a broken player who already had some very bad tendencies. That's not to say he's helping our Safeties, though.

(3) I disagree on the last point. I think he's actually getting something out of a broken defense. I just don't agree with the way he's getting it or his general approach. We literally put our defense in harm's way in the hopes the other team ***** up. When a QB, like VTech's, has a terrible day, it works. That's his MO. I completely disagree with it, but I do understand and acknowledge the alternative. When we've played man-to-man defense, with our dline, it's gotten really ugly.
 
LuCane said:
mydas77 said:
Lu,

How does lining Paul up on a receiver and allowing a slant over and over effect your formula?is that the best option? Is that the only option. It happened all day and has bee happening all season.

Do you honestly believe he is putting the kids in the best position to win?

Why has vt's level of play regressed the two years he has been under coach D?

I agree that our talent is poor, but you think players and not plays and coach D is going an awful job of that.

We get beat with simple/elementary football plays. Slant - flat; hitches; simple seam routes. That's y every qb we play looks like an all American. They are making the simple pre snap reads (probably in disbelief) and throwing at the built in mismatches.

He is getting nearly nothing out of this d. how can he get a passing percentage when our alignment, play calling, and use of personnel has been this abysmal!
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Couple quick answers before i roll outta here to forget everything that happened today:

(1) No, I don't think he's putting guys in the best position to win, but his alternatives really suck also. I've seen him try a number of things.

(2) VT cannot be attributed to him. At all. That's a red herring. VT is a broken player who already had some very bad tendencies. That's not to say he's helping our Safeties, though.

(3) I disagree on the last point. I think he's actually getting something out of a broken defense. I just don't agree with the way he's getting it or his general approach. We literally put our defense in harm's way in the hopes the other team ****s up. When a QB, like VTech's, has a terrible day, it works. That's his MO. I completely disagree with it, but I do understand and acknowledge the alternative. When we've played man-to-man defense, with our dline, it's gotten really ugly.
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What is he getting? They do nothing well on D. Sure, they field a product, but it doesn't take away anything. I'm a level headed dude. I also know something about the game. He installs way to slow. Two years in a row. He gets out flanked by alignment. He misuses personnel. I know we need to take a long view on this rebuild, but I don't see where this becomes a top 25 defense. There is no evidence of that.

As for VT, I remember his first practice. He is not an elite saftey, but his level of play as a sophomore was superior to anything we are getting out of Rodgers, highsmith and senior vt. This is an example of having a square peg, no useful round pegs and forcing the issue.
 
A sihtload of highschool defenses could have done better this year.

You can't do the same crap, the same way, and each time, expect a different result.

On offense - when you get your opponent face down in the dust with your boot on the back of their neck, you smother them, and NEVER let them get up.
 
I don't agree with those calling for the use of timeouts on defense that last drive. Virginia almost screwed themselves with their (lack of) clock management and could've ended the game on the door step of scoring with one time out left and no time on the clock. Also, don't agree with the criticism of Fisch on the last two drives because my guess is he was calling plays based on what Golden was telling him to call.
 
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This board has become a joke. How good did some of you guys think we were?? lol We lost to a team that currently owns us at their stadium. We are a bad team. We lost to another bad team. That stuff happens every saturday. It doesn't mean you have to go and fire the head coach. I wasn't shocked at all by today's outcome. Earlier this week I read that thread where everyone was saying we would blow out virginia and thought wow these people are going to be mad saturday regardless of result
 
I'm gonna revisit this tomorrow Lu. Buried in those numbers is a good convo. Not saying I agree, but a good convo will ensue.
 
Late into Golden's second season, and his team loses to a 3-6 team and surrenders 41 points. He's on pace to shatter records for points and yards given up by a Miami squad.

I'm not sure where that fits into the formula, but Dorito is horrendous.
 
I still don't understand the formula. I understand you're trying to quantify effectiveness, but perhaps you need to explain the formula better. Does it take into account depth? Is it fluid based on injuries? Maybe I missed it, but I don't get it.

Like I texted another poster yesterday. Forget the minutiae and the natural ebb and flow of the game. Here's the reality on both sides of the ball. We're not experienced, have poor depth, have substandard upperclassmen leadership, and have a coaching staff who is mediocre on game day. Based on our athletes alone we're slightly above average which means that we're going to make some good plays than bad but just enough bad plays statistically to eff us enough times to lose games like this.
 
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wushah said:
I still don't understand the formula. I understand you're trying to quantify effectiveness, but perhaps you need to explain the formula better. Does it take into account depth? Is it fluid based on injuries? Maybe I missed it, but I don't get it.

Like I texted another poster yesterday. Forget the minutiae and the natural ebb and flow of the game. Here's the reality on both sides of the ball. We're not experienced, have poor depth, have substandard upperclassmen leadership, and have a coaching staff who is mediocre on game day. Based on our athletes alone we're slightly above average which means that we're going to make some good plays than bad but just enough bad plays statistically to eff us enough times to lose games like this.
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Take the formula out of the discussion, and you still have a similar topic: we are really not good at all on defense to begin with, and then our guys are being asked to do things they're not good at (I presume for the sake of implementing a foundation). It's a **** of a combination that creates the product we see.

We shouldn't be as bad as we are, but we have limited alternatives. One of those alternatives is to play a system that suits our guys in the short term, but may not suit the Golden's plan in the long term. If we're going to give his plan a real opportunity, there was going to have to be a transition point where we accepted "rock bottom."
 
Lu,

Had 3 key players not been out on defense, we win that game. Would that change anything for you?
 
SpikeUM said:
Lu,

Had 3 key players not been out on defense, we win that game. Would that change anything for you?
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It's built in to how I graded the defense and what they were capable of yesterday. Of course it changes things.
 
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