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Nickel is gonna be good. But what are the records of teams that have started a true freshman in the P4 or P5 in the past?

Have any won 10+ games excluding the generational talents like Trevor Lawrence?
I asked ChatGPT over the last 15 years

True Freshmen Who Achieved at Least 10 Wins:


1. Trevor Lawrence (Clemson, 2018)


• True Freshman: Yes.


• Led Clemson to a 15-0 record and a National Championship. Took over as the starter early in the season.


2. Jalen Hurts (Alabama, 2016)


• True Freshman: Yes.


• Led Alabama to a 14-1 record and a national title game appearance.


3. Bo Nix (Auburn, 2019)


• True Freshman: Yes.


• Led Auburn to a 9-4 record, falling short of 10 wins but notable for his performan
 
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Nickel is gonna be good. But what are the records of teams that have started a true freshman in the P4 or P5 in the past?

Have any won 10+ games excluding the generational talents like Trevor Lawrence?
What were those teams records the following year(s) is possibly more important.... If starting Nickel and him taking some expected lumps early led to us being in a great position in 2026, It could be a good tradeoff. I generally think Freshman who play and become "the dude" usually end up improving over time including in the win column. Guess it'd depend how much you think Nickel is a 3 year starter type and how good/bad he'd be as a true frosh.

If say we had a solid offensive season with Nickel as a Frosh and had a good defensive performance, but it made you feel great heading into next year, would that be good? To me the biggest negative with that is honestly I don't expect Dawson to return next season. To me hes going to move on to some HC opportunity. So it may feel like we're building just to start over and hope Mario picks OC correctly again. And you'd have the risk of Nickel following Dawson too...

Some I can think of: Jake Fromm, JT Barrett, Hurts I believe started as a Frosh, Maybe Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford? Pryor at ohio St? Kellen Moore, Jameis, Manziel were all RS FR so a bit different... So yeah not a great track record in the W/L column during most true freshman seasons. But I'm also not sure that's entirely the QBs fault. A lot of the times it is lower quality programs that were starting true freshman so the W/L record wasn't good BUT the qb had a successful season for the most part. Pre-NIL the top W/L programs generally had guys developing they could turn to and would only go frosh if it was like star talent.... Thats less and less the case in CFB today.
 
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Dude threw almost 40tds it was high 30s. The thing is unc was bad. They won like 2 games the year before that. So 7 was great for them
I said 30's in my original comment, I think he had 35 & just below 3600. Longo let him air it out from day 1. Here you know MC/Mirabal would likely strongarm Dawson to go a bit more run heavy.
 
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I know emory started twice - commendable but bad..

am I right in remembering the last true freshmen qb we've had start a season was kaaya? that Louisville game was brutal

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What I find interesting is Mario took a plan B last year before he got to Cam (poffen...whatever). I would have thought he'd do the same this year, considering the situation looks much more bleak. The QB room is exactly the same as it was last year at this time, potentially worse.

If it comes out he didn't have anything in the works and we whiff on QB...I don't know how he's not on the hot seat after 2025
What I find interesting is Mario took a plan B last year before he got to Cam (poffen...whatever). I would have thought he'd do the same this year, considering the situation looks much more bleak. The QB room is exactly the same as it was last year at this time, potentially worse.

If it comes out he didn't have anything in the works and we whiff on QB...I don't know how he's not on the hot seat after 2025.
i don’t think the Plan B worked. Them boobies been swole all year like they’re lactating.
 
well "good" is a relative term with what's been available

it's not anywhere near last year's class - even believe mateer is relatively overrated playing a g5 schedule (cam played in true pac 12) and he was by far the best option this year

according to 247 rankings of QBs (take that with a grain of salt), here are the QBs still available

Matt Sluka (#16 qb)
Mark Gronowski (#27)
Devin Brown (#31)
Israel Carter #42
Aidan Glober #43
Tyler van dyke #45 -definitely SMU it seems
kai horton #54
Alex orji #55 -- I mean after him, what's the point of even going down the list

for reference

mendoza is #3
air noland #11
Thomas castellanos #20



so yeah, all the relatively "good" ones are gone and we're cooked unless someone enters soon or in the spring
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They went 13-2. He had Chubb/Michel/Swift as RBs though.
Yes, but we play in the ACC, even if our out of conference schedule is a bit stronger than in years past.

If Lyle is who we think he can be and we feature a lot of Lofton and the defense goes from catastrophic to average or even above average, than we could have a chance at 10 wins
 
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What were those teams records the following year(s) is possibly more important.... If starting Nickel and him taking some expected lumps early led to us being in a great position in 2026, It could be a good tradeoff. I generally think Freshman who play and become "the dude" usually end up improving over time including in the win column. Guess it'd depend how much you think Nickel is a 3 year starter type and how good/bad he'd be as a true frosh.

If say we had a solid offensive season with Nickel as a Frosh and had a good defensive performance, but it made you feel great heading into next year, would that be good? To me the biggest negative with that is honestly I don't expect Dawson to return next season. To me hes going to move on to some HC opportunity. So it may feel like we're building just to start over and hope Mario picks OC correctly again. And you'd have the risk of Nickel following Dawson too...

Some I can think of: Jake Fromm, JT Barrett, Hurts I believe started as a Frosh, Maybe Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford? Pryor at ohio St? Kellen Moore, Jameis, Manziel were all RS FR so a bit different... So yeah not a great track record in the W/L column during most true freshman seasons. But I'm also not sure that's entirely the QBs fault. A lot of the times it is lower quality programs that were starting true freshman so the W/L record wasn't good BUT the qb had a successful season for the most part. Pre-NIL the top W/L programs generally had guys developing they could turn to and would only go frosh if it was like star talent.... Thats less and less the case in CFB today.
If we could start Nickel from day 1 and he goes 8-4 or better, you’d have to think that bodes well for the next two years when it comes to WRs, whether through the HS recruiting/transfer portal. Gotta think at least one of Carr/Trader breaks out this year.

That said, I would prefer we give Nickel the Lagway/Tebow treatment, where we bring in a good veteran but commit to giving Nickel a few series each game and if he eventually breaks out later in the season, great. This would also get wrs excited to play in future years with him. And more likely we get to 10+ wins.

I like what we have done in the portal (quality over quantity). Just wish Mario hadn’t gotten too ****y on being able to pull Cam 2 seasons in a row (Mateer) and pivoted earlier in the process. We go into next season with Jackson Arnold and Singleton with everything else we have done we would have a lot of people excited if we bring in the right DC.
 
Nickel is not going to be good as a true freshman, and I highly doubt he beats out Emory.
If Nickel can’t beat out Emory, than I would be very concerned about the QB position for the forseeable future - and this coming from a guy who thought Emory should get a chance early on to prove himself. That ship has sailed.
 
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I asked ChatGPT over the last 15 years

True Freshmen Who Achieved at Least 10 Wins:


1. Trevor Lawrence (Clemson, 2018)


• True Freshman: Yes.


• Led Clemson to a 15-0 record and a National Championship. Took over as the starter early in the season.


2. Jalen Hurts (Alabama, 2016)


• True Freshman: Yes.


• Led Alabama to a 14-1 record and a national title game appearance.


3. Bo Nix (Auburn, 2019)


• True Freshman: Yes.


• Led Auburn to a 9-4 record, falling short of 10 wins but notable for his performan
Bo Nix and Auburn is probably the most realistic of them all
 
Nickel is gonna be good. But what are the records of teams that have started a true freshman in the P4 or P5 in the past?

Have any won 10+ games excluding the generational talents like Trevor Lawrence?
The Luke narrative is so amateur thinking. Unless you have a top 10 Defense and a loaded offense (we have neither), you’re not winning with a true freshman. This isn’t 1983.
 
If Nickel can’t beat out Emory, than I would be very concerned about the QB position for the forseeable future - and this coming from a guy who thought Emory should get a chance early on to prove himself. That ship has sailed.
Nickel would start game 2 if that's the plan
 
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