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Rellyrell said:
No one is discrediting Wayne; he’s going to get in. He has the #’s, but Sterling not being in has been a travesty for some time, & it was all due to politics. Just like Big Papi & Mike Piazza getting in over Bonds, when Papi actually tested positive for PEDs, & Piazza was linked. Both were well liked by the media, while guys like Bonds & Clemons were absolutely ******** to them, so they’re using the whole PED/integrity of the game angle.

Both the NFL & MLB HOF have butt hurt voters that chooses personal vendettas over actual impact. Borderline players r often left hanging for decades if they don’t care for u, but if u’re a media darling, u’ll get in by 3rd-5th ballot. I think Wayne when compared to his contemporaries wasn’t elite, but very good.

But let’s go back to Wayne:

7 yrs he had over a 1,000 yrds receiving which is impressive, but while Sharpe was battling Rice for top WR in the league, Wayne was battling Donald Driver, Terry Glenn, Steve Smith, Anquan Boldin to be Top 10. Only 3 of Wayne’s 13 yrs was he battling to be top 5 (2006, 2007, 2010). So it didn’t/doesn’t surprise me that Reggie didn’t get in, & was going to take a several ballots to get in b/c he didn’t dominate compared to his contemporaries, but he will get in. He has the longevity stats, the accolades, & a ring.
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No need to be disingenuous. You choose those names over TO, Moss, Harrison, Holt, Ocho, Fitz, Hines, Bruce. Just off top of my head guys. 2000s > 1990s

I disagree about it being solely politics. Just doesn't have the body of work long term. Sad circumstance but reality nonetheless. IMO he got in about when he should have.
 
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Rellyrell said:
Derek Jeter:
-5x Champion
-14x All Star
-.310 career batting avg.
-3000+ career hits
-1300+ RBIs
-5x Gold Glove
-5x Silver Slugger
-MVP
-ROY
-WS MVP
-2x Hank Aaron Award Winner

What r u talking about? This is about as close to a 100% sure 1st ballot resume in MLB history. Lol.
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Stick him in Pittsburgh and see how many Gold Gloves he has. Don't talk about politics and then disregard politics. Lol. Very good leadoff hitter. Clutch postseason performer. Likable guy. Andrew McCutchen in pinstripes.
 
L A M P said:
No need to be disingenuous. You choose those names over TO, Moss, Harrison, Holt, Ocho, Fitz, Hines, Bruce. Just off top of my head guys. 2000s > 1990s

I disagree about it being solely politics. Just doesn't have the body of work long term. Sad circumstance but reality nonetheless. IMO he got in about when he should have.
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No one is being “disingenuous.” I literally gave facts. Why in the fck would I not want Wayne in? I’m telling y he’s going to have to wait, same thing w/ Frank when his time comes. If u can’t handle facts, that’s on u.
 
L A M P said:
Stick him in Pittsburgh and see how many Gold Gloves he has. Don't talk about politics and then disregard politics. Lol. Very good leadoff hitter. Clutch postseason performer. Likable guy. Andrew McCutchen in pinstripes.
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Stop moving the goal post. U just said Jeter is only beloved b/c of his clutch moments, & that’s a bull **** argument. Jeter is by far one of the greatest short stops to ever play the game, & I LOATHE THE YANKEES. The eye test & the stats say he’s 1st ballot HOF w/o the rings, & w/ the rings he was cemented & lol at u trying to compare McCutchen to Jeter.

It seems that u have a biased perception on things, & when u can admit that, the better off ur sports acumen will be.
 
Rellyrell said:
No one is being “disingenuous.” I literally gave facts. If u can’t handle facts, that’s on u.
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Presenting it as Sharpe vs Rice for top WR and Wayne vs Terry Glenn is extremely disingenuous. I have Sharpe behind most if not all the names I listed tbh. My opinion of course. Don't get all soft on me. I wasn't name calling. But you weren't presenting it fairly.
 
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bandhammer said:
You shouldn't have to be the best of all time, nor the best of your era to get into the hall of fame. He played on trash teams. He averaged 4.28. Walter Payton averaged 4.35. They both had 16000 yards. It really shouldn't be so hard to diagnose.
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It was more of what the person I quoted said.... Just wanted it clarified... I did say Gore should get in no questions asked...
 
L A M P said:
Presenting it as Sharpe vs Rice for top WR and Wayne vs Terry Glenn is extremely disingenuous. I have Sharpe behind most if not all the names I listed tbh. My opinion of course. Don't get all soft on me. I wasn't name calling. But you weren't presenting it fairly.
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Listen, these topics I always try to tread lightly b/c it’s blasphemous to go against the family. I consider u, as my Canes’ brother, family. However, just like my real family, we’re going to bump heads when I present objective views b/c it’s always a how dare u, so I don’t want u to think I’m attacking. I’m a sports bar type of guy when discussing sports, & I can’t tell u how many arguments I’ve gotten in to w/ Bears fans when I call out Bears bull ****, but afterwards imma buy them all a drink. Lol

So allow me to buy u a drink as I present facts.
 
Rellyrell said:
Stop moving the goal post. U just said Jeter is only beloved b/c of his clutch moments, & that’s a bull **** argument. Jeter is by far one of the greatest short stops to ever play the game, & I LOATHE THE YANKEES. The eye test & the stats say he’s 1st ballot HOF w/o the rings, & w/ the rings he was cemented & lol at u trying to compare McCutchen to Jeter.

It seems that u have a biased perception on things, & when u can admit that, the better off ur sports acumen will be.
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You seem emotional friend. Step back off that ledge my friend. Your opinion is yours. Nobody can take that from you my guy. This is a safe space.

I said he's beloved due to his winning, not his lower-tier, possible HOF numbers (on a different roster). He absolutely doesn't have gold gloves. Every pundit will echo that.

Regardless, let the record reflect I withdraw Derek Jeter and his polite one night stand care packages from this conversation. He's a very good baseball player.
 
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L A M P said:
Presenting it as Sharpe vs Rice for top WR and Wayne vs Terry Glenn is extremely disingenuous. I have Sharpe behind most if not all the names I listed tbh. My opinion of course. Don't get all soft on me. I wasn't name calling. But you weren't presenting it fairly.
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OK Sterling played from 1988-1994:

1988-Not Top 10

1989-2nd in rec. yrds, 1st in rec., 2nd in TDs
(Jerry Rice was 1st, 5th, 1st respectively in these categories)

1990-5th in rec. yrds, 14th in rec., T-14th in TDs
(Jerry Rice was the triple crown winner this season)

1991-Not Top 10

1992-Triple Crown Winner
(Jerry Rice was 3rd in rec. yrds, 4th in rec., T-3rd in TDs)

1993-3rd in rec. yrds, 1st in rec., 3rd in TDs
(Jerry Rice was 1st in rec. yrds, 2nd in rec., 1st in TDs)

1994-14th in rec. yrds, 5th in rec., 1st in TDs)
(Jerry Rice was 1st in rec. yrds, 2nd in rec., 2nd in TDs)


For context-
in 1990: Reed (HOF), Ellard (3x Pro Bowl-2x All Pro), & Gary Clark (4x Pro Bowl, 3x All Pro, & 2x SB winner) were ahead of Sharpe.

1993: Andre Rison (HOF) was ahead of him in TDs, & Playmaker (HOF) was ahead of him in receptions

1994: Chris Carter (HOF), Terrance Mathis (1x All Pro, & 1x Pro Bowl), & Ben Coates (my frat - 5x Pro Bowl, 3x All Pro, & SB winner) were ahead of Sharpe in receptions, while all of the aforementioned players along w/ Tim Brown (HOF), Herman Moore (4x Pro Bowl, 3x All Pro), Fryar (5x Pro Bowl, 2x All Pro), & Jake Reed were ahead of him in Rec. Yards.

It could be argued that Sharpe played in the golden era of WRs w/ Rice, Brown, Reed, Irvin(g), Moore, Rison, Fryar, etc, etc & he dominated.

So me stating it was Sharpe vs. Rice was not a hyperbole.

Now, I’ll pull up Reggie’s # in a few
 
L A M P said:
Presenting it as Sharpe vs Rice for top WR and Wayne vs Terry Glenn is extremely disingenuous. I have Sharpe behind most if not all the names I listed tbh. My opinion of course. Don't get all soft on me. I wasn't name calling. But you weren't presenting it fairly.
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OK Reggie Wayne:

2001-Not Top 10

2002-Not Top 10

2003-Not Top 10

2004-9th in rec. yrds, T-22nd in rec., T-6th in TDs

2005-Not top 10

2006-3rd in rec. yrds, 12th in rec., T-6th in TDs

2007-1st in rec. yrds, 3rd in rec., T-9th in TDs
{side note; I wanna punch my face in this FFB season for passing over Randy Moss}

2008-10th in rec. yrds, 13th in rec., T-22nd in TDs

2009-6th in rec. yrds, T-5th in rec., T-7th in TDs

2010-3rd in rec. yrds, 2nd in rec., T-29th in TDs

2011-Not top 10

2012-7th in rec. yrds, 6th in rec., T-40th in TDs

2013-Not top 10

2014-Not top 10

Now fam, if I were to provide a list of all the players that were ahead of Reggie in 2001-3, 2004, 2011, 2012-14, it would be too exhaustive.

Yes, we had guys like Larry Fitz, Calvin Johnson, Dre, Marvin Harrison ahead of him, but there was a ton of Wes Walkers, Donald Drivers, Roddy Whites, Steve Johnson, Vincent Jackson, Victor Cruz, etc etc etc, too.

So again, it’s not me being disingenuous. I don’t state things just to state them. I bring context, context that may slap us in the face of reality. The reality is Reggie is getting in, w/o a doubt, but if I’m stacking up Reggie’s career w/ Sterling, I’m giving the nod to Sterling b/c he dominated in the brief time he played in an era that feature all time great WRs. Reggie had a HELLUVA career, but there’s a couple of seasons where he was great, several seasons where he was good, & several seasons where he wasn’t Top 10.
 
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Rellyrell said:
OK Reggie Wayne:

2001-Not Top 10

2002-Not Top 10

2003-Not Top 10

2004-9th in rec. yrds, T-22nd in rec., T-6th in TDs

2005-Not top 10

2006-3rd in rec. yrds, 12th in rec., T-6th in TDs

2007-1st in rec. yrds, 3rd in rec., T-9th in TDs
{side note; I wanna punch my face in this FFB season for passing over Randy Moss}

2008-10th in rec. yrds, 13th in rec., T-22nd in TDs

2009-6th in rec. yrds, T-5th in rec., T-7th in TDs

2010-3rd in rec. yrds, 2nd in rec., T-29th in TDs

2011-Not top 10

2012-7th in rec. yrds, 6th in rec., T-40th in TDs

2013-Not top 10

2014-Not top 10

Now fam, if I were to provide a list of all the players that were ahead of Reggie in 2001-3, 2004, 2011, 2012-14, it would be too exhaustive.

Yes, we had guys like Larry Fitz, Calvin Johnson, Dre, Marvin Harrison ahead of him, but there was a ton of Wes Walkers, Donald Drivers, Roddy Whites, Steve Johnson, Vincent Jackson, Victor Cruz, etc etc etc, too.

So again, it’s not me being disingenuous. I don’t state things just to state them. I bring context, context that may slap us in the face of reality. The reality is Reggie is getting in, w/o a doubt, but if I’m stacking up Reggie’s career w/ Sterling, I’m giving the nod to Sterling b/c he dominated in the brief time he played in an era that feature all time great WRs. Reggie had a HELLUVA career, but there’s a couple of seasons where he was great, several seasons where he was good, & several seasons where he wasn’t Top 10.
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I love ya, man. And I respect your presentation.

Sterling Sharpe's HOF candidacy is impacted by one thing, and one thing alone. He only played 7 seasons. And, sure, Gale Sayers got into the HOF off of, basically, 4.5 seasons. I get it. Some would argue that Sayers shouldn't be in either.

I'd also say this about Reggie. He was drafted by a team that, essentially, already had a HOF WR. The fact that Reggie was not "top 10" in many of those years was not about HIS TALENT or ability, but whether Peyton Manning was looking for Marvin Harrison first. And to be honest, Sterling Sharpe did not have that problem, being drafted onto a team that already had a HOF QB throwing to a HOF WR.

So, I don't know, I think that Reggie deserves to be in. First ballot too. I'm not down on Sharpe, I just don't think that his career was as long and dominant as most "eye-test HOF'ers" have.

For the record, I'm in favor of MORE players being in the HOF. The god**** thing is a tourist attraction. Acting like it is some private club is silly. The game has changed a lot over the years, putting guys into the HOF doesn't mean there is some standardized equality among everyone. Clearly, some HOF'ers are legendary, and others are "just pretty darn good". The league now has 32 teams, we can't act like only 5 guys per year are deserving.

Anyhow, that's my rant for the day. I respect the HOF, but I also think it's a silly tourist attraction that charges admission.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I love ya, man. And I respect your presentation.

Sterling Sharpe's HOF candidacy is impacted by one thing, and one thing alone. He only played 7 seasons. And, sure, Gale Sayers got into the HOF off of, basically, 4.5 seasons. I get it. Some would argue that Sayers shouldn't be in either.

I'd also say this about Reggie. He was drafted by a team that, essentially, already had a HOF WR. The fact that Reggie was not "top 10" in many of those years was not about HIS TALENT or ability, but whether Peyton Manning was looking for Marvin Harrison first. And to be honest, Sterling Sharpe did not have that problem, being drafted onto a team that already had a HOF QB throwing to a HOF WR.

So, I don't know, I think that Reggie deserves to be in. First ballot too. I'm not down on Sharpe, I just don't think that his career was as long and dominant as most "eye-test HOF'ers" have.

For the record, I'm in favor of MORE players being in the HOF. The god**** thing is a tourist attraction. Acting like it is some private club is silly. The game has changed a lot over the years, putting guys into the HOF doesn't mean there is some standardized equality among everyone. Clearly, some HOF'ers are legendary, and others are "just pretty darn good". The league now has 32 teams, we can't act like only 5 guys per year are deserving.

Anyhow, that's my rant for the day. I respect the HOF, but I also think it's a silly tourist attraction that charges admission.
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Sharpe should’ve been in 10 yrs ago, & I will forever hate CIS for making defend a Green Bay Packer, especially one that was part of the turn around that have fck’d over my Bears for 3 decades.

Thanks guys
 
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Atom Atlas said:
He played 16 seasons... but was he ever really dominant?? Believe me I'm not knocking Gore at all for what he accomplished but he was never the "Best running back of his time".... He was amazingly consistent ...
As I said in another post he should absolutely get in , I just wanted to hear what you thought based on the phrasing of your statement.... There's been plenty of players who got in due to longevity and the stats gained in doing so....
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Frank had the unfortunate circumstances of those Niners teams being horse**** during his early years and having AD as a contemporary with regard to how dominant he was viewed.

Frank absolutely was a dominant RB. Was he the MOST dominant, no. Same as Emmitt and Curtis Martin not being Barry dominant. Dorsett and ****erson not being Sweetness dominant. Franco Harris not being OJ dominant.

IMO, Frank was getting in eventually prior to leaving SF. Dude ran for over 11 bands for the storied 49ers and brought them out the cellar. He’s getting in the Hall. The absurd longevity ensures that he won’t be in his mid-50’s or 60’s when he gets there…
 
Rellyrell said:
Sharpe should’ve been in 10 yrs ago, & I will forever hate CIS for making defend a Green Bay Packer, especially one that was part of the turn around that have fck’d over my Bears for 3 decades.

Thanks guys
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Any CIS vet knows this. Y’all know Big Sharpe’s greatness was real cuz my brother on here capin’ for a Got**** Packer lol…
 
RattlerCane305 said:
Frank had the unfortunate circumstances of those Niners teams being horse**** during his early years and having AD as a contemporary with regard to how dominant he was viewed.

Frank absolutely was a dominant RB. Was he the MOST dominant, no. Same as Emmitt and Curtis Martin not being Barry dominant. Dorsett and ****erson not being Sweetness dominant. Franco Harris not being OJ dominant.

IMO, Frank was getting in eventually prior to leaving SF. Dude ran for over 11 bands for the storied 49ers and brought them out the cellar. He’s getting in the Hall. The absurd longevity ensures that he won’t be in his mid-50’s or 60’s when he gets there…
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As I said he should get in... no question.... My response was to the subject matter of what another poster wrote.... There was no slander on my part towards Gore.....

Side note - Emmitt was absolutely dominate... Sure he had the best O-line ever but he earned his yardage...
 
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