Potential Portal DB’s (CB’s & S’s only)

[252cane]

The comment you responded to is true. If we land Tacario Davis And Charles Brantley - two CBs you were incredibly high on, do you think there should still be insufferable *****ing and moping about CB on here? My point was nothing is ever going to be good enough for the mopes here. We can bringing in your two favorite portal CB prospects, have OJ and still get Lucas, and get the top or 2nd best safety in the portal and there would be non stop *****ing about us taking Karnley. You know it too.

Regarding Karnley specifically, That is your evaluation. Others evaluated him and view him better than you do. Rating services have rated him highly. Other programs have prioritized him. I do find it funny that given all the self admitted star whores and people that say follow the offers, we have here how it's okay to ***** about all the misses, but it's so wrong to talk positively about the highly rated guys we land lol. Again I'm not saying i think he'll be good. I dont know.

But I am saying taking him was no different than us taking Broussard if he committed. The only difference is yall are ASSUMING because you've decided the staff is bad at evaluating DBs that they are bringing him in to start. There has literally been no evidence of that or that they were selling him that way lol. What I am assuming and imo is incredibly obvious given all the evidence of what we are trying to do in the portal is that he was never anything more than a CB they view as developmental and possibly better than Richard right away and maybe Ryan Mack with 3 yrs of eligibility left and good traits and thus a way to improve the CB room.

So while your opinion and evaluation may be viewed higher because you have a higher hit rate and I agree with that, it is not like you are perfect. I seem to remember you being Quite high on Dyoni Hill... but isn't it funny that everyone on here likes to use that as more evidence of the staff being bad at evaluations and that he should never have been a take? Lol. I happen to think you are quite good at evaluating, but I also dont think just because you are down on a guy it means it's a bad take. So many of y'all just like to view things with the worst negative slant possible. At least with you I can at least agree with your negative comments are usually thoughtful. But i truly believe the majority of the imbeciles on this board don't give a duck who the player is if it was Tacario Davis with a different name they'd be trashing us landing him.

I never said I was perfect & my comment I had nothing to do with my own personal view of EK.

My point was, you said people would still be *****ing about EK if we landed Tacario & I pointed out why people were *****ing about EK in the first place.

Here's the facts:

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That's not my personal opinion, that's the empirical data concerning EK.

How does someone watch his film & come away with anything other than what the data shows, is a work of mental gymnastics & trying to create a narrative in order to sell people on the idea of overlooking the data & the film.

There is no objective way to watch EK's film & come away with any other conclusion, it's simply not possible. So how does someone watch bad film & come away with a "positive" outlook on it?

That's all I'm saying. And that's why people are reacting that way, because it's commensurate to the actual play that they're seeing.

You notice how people didn't react that way when Brantley committed? Isn't it weird how pretty much the entire board thought it was a good pick up? You know why? Because there's proof in data & on film that he's actually a good CB.

You know why people have been feeling the opposite about EK, because there isn't any.

I was one of the first to say the dude was cheeks but my question is what are these coaches seeing? And I’m not just talking this staff I’m taking about Michigan and etc. Is it just because he has size and supposedly good speed with years of eligibility and they think they can mold him?

 

[Calinative]

I never said I was perfect & my comment I had nothing to do with my own personal view of EK.

My point was, you said people would still be *****ing about EK if we landed Tacario & I pointed out why people were *****ing about EK in the first place.

Here's the facts:

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That's not my personal opinion, that's the empirical data concerning EK.

How does someone watch his film & come away with anything other than what the data shows, is a work of mental gymnastics & trying to create a narrative in order to sell people on the idea of overlooking the data & the film.

There is no objective way to watch EK's film & come away with any other conclusion, it's simply not possible. So how does someone watch bad film & come away with a "positive" outlook on it?

That's all I'm saying. And that's why people are reacting that way, because it's commensurate to the actual play that they're seeing.

You notice how people didn't react that way when Brantley committed? Isn't it weird how pretty much the entire board thought it was a good pick up? You know why? Because there's proof in data & on film that he's actually a good CB.

You know why people have been feeling the opposite about EK, because there isn't any.

So I Guess we will see what the reaction is if we land Tacario Davis huh lol. Oh wait maybe we shouldn’t share his pff grade? After all what did he finish the season with a 61.0 grade to Karnleys 60.8? Lol

And see the thing is like I said a week ago I do not at all believe more than like 5 people on cis have watched Karnley play lol. Second of all he is a rs fr who played what 6 games? It’s clearly about traits and potential.

 

[Memnon]

I was one of the first to say the dude was cheeks but my question is what are these coaches seeing? And I’m not just talking this staff I’m taking about Michigan and etc. Is it just because he has size and supposedly good speed with years of eligibility and they think they can mold him?

Michigan only signed 1 CB from HS in their 2024 class & brought in 4 DB's via Portal, 3 of which aren't returning.

They need depth.

 

[Memnon]

So I Guess we will see what the reaction is if we land Tacario Davis huh lol. Oh wait maybe we shouldn’t share his pff grade? After all what did he finish the season with a 61.0 grade to Karnleys 60.8? Lol

And see the thing is like I said a week ago I do not at all believe more than like 5 people on cis have watched Karnley play lol. Second of all he is a rs fr who played what 6 games? It’s clearly about traits and potential.

EK had a 53.5 grade this season.

And he played in 9 games this season, the reason why he didn't start the full 12 is because he got benched.

And here's the difference between EK & TD, you can actually show a season lengths of good film with data to support on TD being a good CB, can the same be done with EK?

 

[252cane]

Michigan only signed 1 CB from HS in their 2024 class & brought in 4 DB's via Portal, 3 of which aren't returning.

They need depth.

Oh ok I’m just wondering because he is rated high and I’m like these people can’t be looking at the same guy

 

[PSU Cane]

I was one of the first to say the dude was cheeks but my question is what are these coaches seeing? And I’m not just talking this staff I’m taking about Michigan and etc. Is it just because he has size and supposedly good speed with years of eligibility and they think they can mold him?

Who knows what some of these coaches see, or what they think they can do with the skillset they see. Remember Tommy Kennedy, the OT that came here from Butler? Remember how bad he was? He had offers from Oklahoma, Texas and Boston College. Everyone sees it differently.

 

[Calinative]

EK had a 53.5 grade this season.

And he played in 9 games this season, the reason why he didn't start the full 12 is because he got benched.

And here's the difference between EK & TD, you can actually show a season lengths of good film with data to support on TD being a good CB, can the same be done with EK?

Scanned your pics too quickly and put his 23 grade which was 60.

do you think He is going to be better or worse than Richard? Do you think he will be better or worse than Ryan Mack? Do you think he will be better or worse than Damari Brown?

….

 

[Memnon]

Scanned your pics too quickly and put his 23 grade which was 60.

do you think He is going to be better or worse than Richard? Do you think he will be better or worse than Ryan Mack? Do you think he will be better or worse than Damari Brown?

….

The same as Richard.

Better than Mack & Brown.

But that's all relative.

Because none of them are good.

Being better than someone who's awful is just a low bar value judgement, it doesn't mean you're good.

 

[The U is back to work]

I never said I was perfect & my comment I had nothing to do with my own personal view of EK.

My point was, you said people would still be *****ing about EK if we landed Tacario & I pointed out why people were *****ing about EK in the first place.

Here's the facts:

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That's not my personal opinion, that's the empirical data concerning EK.

How does someone watch his film & come away with anything other than what the data shows, is a work of mental gymnastics & trying to create a narrative in order to sell people on the idea of overlooking the data & the film.

There is no objective way to watch EK's film & come away with any other conclusion, it's simply not possible. So how does someone watch bad film & come away with a "positive" outlook on it?

That's all I'm saying. And that's why people are reacting that way, because it's commensurate to the actual play that they're seeing.

You notice how people didn't react that way when Brantley committed? Isn't it weird how pretty much the entire board thought it was a good pick up? You know why? Because there's proof in data & on film that he's actually a good CB.

You know why people have been feeling the opposite about EK, because there isn't any.

Why’d we ******* sign this kid lol

 

[Calinative]

The same as Richard.

Better than Mack & Brown.

But that's all relative.

Because none of them are good.

Being better than someone who's awful is just a low bar value judgement, it doesn't mean you're good.

So it's an upgrade to the cb room.

Tell me how many elite Portal CBs you think we should realistically be able to bring in on one winter portal period.

Clearly the staff got Brantley. We clearly want one or both of Davis and O'Conner. Clearly we are the leaders for a Lucas if he is ever freed from being held hostage - even if you personally view him as a Safety. Like what realistic CB 3 or 4 are we actually getting that isn't looking at that PLUS OJ, and saying Im coming here? You HAVE to get a guy that has multiple years. Who fitting that criteria of being a development piece is willing to come knowing almost certainly he's looking at being CB4 at best this yr? Lol. And that's with you not liking Damari when the staff does, and you viewing Lucas as a A, when Staff probably doesn't even lol.

I just honestly think y'all aren't being realistic. Dude is intended ok being CB 3 or 4 in this portal period AND you just said he's likely as good or better than 3 guys returning next yr lol. AND you still like Dyoni Hill id bet! Like I just honestly don't know what more the staff could do to make people happy assuming we do get one more of Conner/Davis...

 

[Memnon]

Why’d we ******* sign this kid lol

The same reason they signed Jadais Richard.

 

[Memnon]

So it's an upgrade to the cb room.

Tell me how many elite Portal CBs you think we should realistically be able to bring in on one winter portal period.

Clearly the staff got Brantley. We clearly want one or both of Davis and O'Conner. Clearly we are the leaders for a Lucas if he is ever freed from being held hostage - even if you personally view him as a Safety. Like what realistic CB 3 or 4 are we actually getting that isn't looking at that PLUS OJ, and saying Im coming here? You HAVE to get a guy that has multiple years. Who fitting that criteria of being a development piece is willing to come knowing almost certainly he's looking at being CB4 at best this yr? Lol. And that's with you not liking Damari when the staff does, and you viewing Lucas as a A, when Staff probably doesn't even lol.

I just honestly think y'all aren't being realistic. Dude is intended ok being CB 3 or 4 in this portal period AND you just said he's likely as good or better than 3 guys returning next yr lol. AND you still like Dyoni Hill id bet! Like I just honestly don't know what more the staff could do to make people happy assuming we do get one more of Conner/Davis...

You know what you're right.

I'm not going to keep explaining this to you because you clearly are missing the point.

 

[Memnon]

The way to clean up trash is not to put more trash on a pile of trash.

The way to get better is not to add another JAG when we already have a room full of JAGs.

 

[Calinative]

You know what you're right.

I'm not going to keep explaining this to you because you clearly are missing the point.

You think he's bad. I think he's the best we can realistically get as a CB3/4 that still improves the room. It's that simple.

 

[Memnon]

You think he's bad. I think he's the best we can realistically get as a CB3/4 because he still improves the room. It's that simple.

Replacing a bad player with another bad player doesn't improve the room.

There's a ton of good serviceable CB's that could be brought in for the same purpose, that are still available who actually improve the room.

Trading one JAG for another JAG results in having a JAG in your CB rotation, which means when they're in the game, they're a liability.

And I don't think he's bad... I KNOW he is.

 

[htownkidd]

Replacing a bad player with another bad player doesn't improve the room.

There's a ton of good serviceable CB's that could be brought in for the same purpose, that are still available who actually improve the room.

Trading one JAG for another JAG results in having a JAG in your CB rotation, which means when they're in the game, they're a liability.

And I don't think he's bad... I KNOW he is.

Stop wasting your time brethren.

 

[Calinative]

Replacing a bad player with another bad player doesn't improve the room.

There's a ton of good serviceable CB's that could be brought in for the same purpose, that are still available who actually improve the room.

Trading one JAG for another JAG results in having a JAG in your CB rotation, which means when they're in the game, they're a liability.

And I don't think he's bad... I KNOW he is.

... Guess we will just see and I'm sure all preconceived judgments won't carry forward to his actual performance as a Cane lol

 

[NC_Canes_11]

The way to clean up trash is not to put more trash on a pile of trash.

The way to get better is not to add another JAG when we already have a room full of JAGs.

Have you considered that the only DB’s that want to play here, are JAGs?

 

[Memnon]

Have you considered that the only DB’s that want to play here, are JAGs?

DB's go where the money is.

You pay'em enough, they'll play at Bemidji ST.

 

[Memnon]

... Guess we will just see and I'm sure all preconceived judgments won't carry forward to his actual performance as a Cane lol

It's not a preconceived judgment.

ITS BASED ON HIS PLAY AT ARIZONA.