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Possible D-Line/DT Coach

Memnon said:


How many 3-stars yall think is in this group?
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Composite wise it is 3/11 aka 27% (i was curious).

More interesting is that 4 of them were low 4*’s — not ranked in the top 150 players. Max wasn’t even ranked in the top 5 players within Iowa for his year.

David Bailey and Jack Sawyer were the only top 75 recruits — Sawyer was top 5. Sapp, Josephs and Princely were blue chips who were highly recruited. The others were not (basing this on offers & visits).
 
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My uninformed opinion is position coaches across the board teach much of the same thing, physically. The secret sauce isn’t some magic drill only a few coaches know. What separates the better coaches from the lesser coaches is the ability to evaluate traits and teach what needs to happen between the ears of their players. The mental and psychological aspects of the game. What the better position coaches do better than their peers is teach how to think, how to work, and perhaps just as importantly, how to work as a unit.
 
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The obvious answer is that the teams with the most talented players tend to have the most success on defensive line but there are certainly outliers. Charlie Partridge turned a bunch of mediocre recruits into one of the nation’s premier D Line units at Pitt multiple times. Either he’s teaching something that most others aren’t or he has an incredible gift for evaluating players. Maybe a combination of the two. For years, you’d see the list of top defensive lines in the country and it was the usual suspects: Clemson, UGA, Alabama, Ohio State and…Pitt.
 
DTP said:
The obvious answer is that the teams with the most talented players tend to have the most success on defensive line but there are certainly outliers. Charlie Partridge turned a bunch of mediocre recruits into one of the nation’s premier D Line units at Pitt multiple times. Either he’s teaching something that most others aren’t or he has an incredible gift for evaluating players. Maybe a combination of the two. For years, you’d see the list of top defensive lines in the country and it was the usual suspects: Clemson, UGA, Alabama, Ohio State and…Pitt.
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Majority of Pitt guys are undersized and not recruited by other major programs so I'm gonna lean on the side of him being an incredible evaluator.
 
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TemplarCane said:
My uninformed opinion is position coaches across the board teach much of the same thing, physically. The secret sauce isn’t some magic drill only a few coaches know. What separates the better coaches from the lesser coaches is the ability to evaluate traits and teach what needs to happen between the ears of their players. The mental and psychological aspects of the game. What the better position coaches do better than their peers is teach how to think, how to work, and perhaps just as importantly, how to work as a unit.
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I think alot of this holds true with S&C coaches.
There really isn't much "secret-sauce" in that field as most of the philosophies and equipment are open to anyone in that field.
But how the S&C is taught and who it is taught to is important.
For starters, it helps to have athletes with good genetics and, more importantly, strong work ethic and commitment to himself and his teammates.
Urban Meyer has often stated the S&C coach is one of his first, if not most important, hires on his team as they set the tone in what type of team you want to have on the field. A very strong S&C coach is often a very underrated (by fans) recruiting tool as the "alpha" athlete tend to gravitate to
strong S&C coaches, hence "setting the tone".
 
Damiencane86 said:
Majority of Pitt guys are undersized and not recruited by other major programs so I'm gonna lean on the side of him being an incredible evaluator.
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Incredible evaluator and coach.

He reminds me of the late Harold Allen at UM.
He was the DL coach from the mid-1960s until early 1980s and for much of his time at UM
he coached teams that were losing and often not acquiring the same level of talent as the
perennial power teams.
Yet he turned out as many NFL DLmen as any DL coach in history, especially during early-mid 1970s
when UM wasn't winning many games.
He coached a bunch of future stellar NFL guys.
One of his players, Gary Dunn, even remarked about the Steelers drafting him because of the
reputation Allen had in developing DLmen.

www.umsportshalloffame.com

Harold Allen - University of Miami Sports Hall of Fame

Biography page for University of Miami Sports Hall of Fame member, Harold Allen
www.umsportshalloffame.com

 
Paranos said:
Here's the list of college footballs preseason top dline coaches for 2024

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Here the list for 2023, do y'all notice any overlap? Wiston is not on any of them.

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Go Canes
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Wonder how they determine this... cause... 🤔
 
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DTP said:
The obvious answer is that the teams with the most talented players tend to have the most success on defensive line but there are certainly outliers. Charlie Partridge turned a bunch of mediocre recruits into one of the nation’s premier D Line units at Pitt multiple times. Either he’s teaching something that most others aren’t or he has an incredible gift for evaluating players. Maybe a combination of the two. For years, you’d see the list of top defensive lines in the country and it was the usual suspects: Clemson, UGA, Alabama, Ohio State and…Pitt.
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He's done a really good job of evaluating "lower ranked" guys that will thrive in their system.

I had Rashad Weaver at Cooper City. He was a 6'5" basketball player turned defensive end. Athletic but lacked the physicality. I was pleasantly shocked with what Charlie was able to get outta him. Their development is real.
 
I just want someone who will bring the unwavering violence like never before seen in CFB…and 2 6’5” 315 lb. DT’s that run a 4.7 40.
 
MedleyCane said:
I think alot of this holds true with S&C coaches.
There really isn't much "secret-sauce" in that field as most of the philosophies and equipment are open to anyone in that field.
But how the S&C is taught and who it is taught to is important.
For starters, it helps to have athletes with good genetics and, more importantly, strong work ethic and commitment to himself and his teammates.
Urban Meyer has often stated the S&C coach is one of his first, if not most important, hires on his team as they set the tone in what type of team you want to have on the field. A very strong S&C coach is often a very underrated (by fans) recruiting tool as the "alpha" athlete tend to gravitate to
strong S&C coaches, hence "setting the tone".
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A lot of LSU fans believe Brian Kelly made a big mistake not retaining Tommy Moffit (now at A&M). Interesting note about two of our former S&C coaches.

Despite Elko hiring David Feeley at Duke, he hired Moffit at A&M. A S&C assistant, now at A&M, who worked under both Feeley at Duke and Moffit at LSU gave Elko a strong recommendation for Moffit.

Elko said guys with as much success as Moffit are usually very rigid, but he was modern & knew the latest frontiers of sports science.
 
MedleyCane said:
I think alot of this holds true with S&C coaches.
There really isn't much "secret-sauce" in that field as most of the philosophies and equipment are open to anyone in that field.
But how the S&C is taught and who it is taught to is important.
For starters, it helps to have athletes with good genetics and, more importantly, strong work ethic and commitment to himself and his teammates.
Urban Meyer has often stated the S&C coach is one of his first, if not most important, hires on his team as they set the tone in what type of team you want to have on the field. A very strong S&C coach is often a very underrated (by fans) recruiting tool as the "alpha" athlete tend to gravitate to
strong S&C coaches, hence "setting the tone".
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Agreed. The development is as much in the weight room as it is technique on the field. That’s why I can take half a career in college to develop the requisite strength. Not many 18-year-old olds have the strength to compete with players who have been in college 2-3-4 years.

Sometimes you take a chance on a guy developing. Cyrus Moss was a highly recruited player because he showed the traits and potential to be an outstanding edge player if he could put on weight and gain strength. Unfortunately, this didn’t happen.

This is why I’m worried about Pickett, Rudolph, and Lightfoot.
 
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MedleyCane said:
I think alot of this holds true with S&C coaches.
There really isn't much "secret-sauce" in that field as most of the philosophies and equipment are open to anyone in that field.
But how the S&C is taught and who it is taught to is important.
For starters, it helps to have athletes with good genetics and, more importantly, strong work ethic and commitment to himself and his teammates.
Urban Meyer has often stated the S&C coach is one of his first, if not most important, hires on his team as they set the tone in what type of team you want to have on the field. A very strong S&C coach is often a very underrated (by fans) recruiting tool as the "alpha" athlete tend to gravitate to
strong S&C coaches, hence "setting the tone".
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Agreed. Granted there are some pieces of equipment S&C coaches use these days that can give them an advantage over other coaches. Theres big money in this stuff so companies are constantly trying to create machinery and equipment

But a successful S&C coach is more about the person themselves. With potentially 85-105 different personalities you need to reach and a limited time to do it, figuring out how to motivate those different people is the game. It’s why the whole “culture” thing does matter. Get a group of kids with Cam and X type work ethic and you won’t have to worry about it

Still need elite genetics though
 
cookies said:
A lot of LSU fans believe Brian Kelly made a big mistake not retaining Tommy Moffit (now at A&M). Interesting note about two of our former S&C coaches.

Despite Elko hiring David Feeley at Duke, he hired Moffit at A&M. A S&C assistant, now at A&M, who worked under both Feeley at Duke and Moffit at LSU gave Elko a strong recommendation for Moffit.

Elko said guys with as much success as Moffit are usually very rigid, but he was modern & knew the latest frontiers of sports science.
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Moffitt did nice work at UM.
He played a big role in getting that team to be as physical as any in the country.
I remember the fsu game in 2000 when the noles had a 4th and short opportunity early in
the game and them trying to convert and our boys stuffed them. It sent a message to them that
this was NOT a team to bully around (I think they had that atttude entering the game).

Gary Ferman actually had Moffit on one of his sessions. I wished I saved the transcript.
He was quite open and informative and shared how he had to spend the first few months at UM teaching the kids "how" to lift before "what" to lift. He was very much into the Olympic lifting
stuff. Fun days.
 
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MedleyCane said:
Incredible evaluator and coach.

He reminds me of the late Harold Allen at UM.
He was the DL coach from the mid-1960s until early 1980s and for much of his time at UM
he coached teams that were losing and often not acquiring the same level of talent as the
perennial power teams.
Yet he turned out as many NFL DLmen as any DL coach in history, especially during early-mid 1970s
when UM wasn't winning many games.
He coached a bunch of future stellar NFL guys.
One of his players, Gary Dunn, even remarked about the Steelers drafting him because of the
reputation Allen had in developing DLmen.

www.umsportshalloffame.com

Harold Allen - University of Miami Sports Hall of Fame

Biography page for University of Miami Sports Hall of Fame member, Harold Allen
www.umsportshalloffame.com

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One of the best assistant coaches in program history. Developed NFL-ready DLs at a time when Miami was getting its butt kicked.
 
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