PODCAST: We're on to UNC ft. D$ and Lance Roffers

[KWCOWBOYFAN]

Hill even said that he was still trying to get back into game shape after his injury.

I also think that we will see more rotation from a lot of positions, especially in the upcoming home game stretch.

The glass is half full, we just need to get a bigger sample size!

 

[brock]

Hill even said that he was still trying to get back into game shape after his injury.

I also think that we will see more rotation from a lot of positions, especially in the upcoming home game stretch.

The glass is half full, we just need to get a bigger sample size!

Yeah that’s what i think. Play a tight rotation vs uf but then expand beyond that games after. Hopefully that’s what’s going on

 

[Mr. Dynasty1]

****, fellas. All this after only 1 game and because Tate saw like 10 reps or so at WR? So if we had the same offensive output but Pope, Hightower, Wiggins etc got those few reps instead of Tate would you guys be happier then?

Y’all are gonna break your legs jumping off the Enos bandwagon. I’m gonna give him and the O a little more time.

It’s bigger than Enos for me. I’m not against him and still believe in him. I’m tired of continually wasting offensive talent. It’s been years on years. Your hypothetical doesn’t work because we didn’t have a great offense output nor did we win the game. Nobody is trading wins for great numbers by WRs

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Well Pope has admitted he couldn't learn the playbook last year, and all of us know that Richt's playbook was stolen directly from Madden 98 so that should tell you all you need to know. Wiggins had stone hands last year and was dropping passes left and right throughout the quick videos that were posted on twitter during camp. Then Hightower did pretty much nothing after the LSU game last year, although I heard he played through a pretty bad injury.

I like all those guys a ton, but we have to realize that Tate is a legitimate athlete who clearly has a better grasp of the offense. That said, I'd love to see the WRs develop and catch on in the next few games

Not arguing any of that. Also very willing to admit Tate is:

1. A legitimate athlete who
2. Has a great grasp of the offense.

But I will reiterate, if he is a better WIDE RECEIVER RIGHT NOW than Pope, Wiggins, and Hightower, then those kids may as well hit the portal now.

 

[ssvir]

Whatever it is, it needs to be fixed and those guys need to be given the chance to play in games or you will inevitable lose them. You know how kids get these days. At the least Pope ,Hightower, Payton have a legitimate gripe of why they aren’t playing much.

Payton supposedly took a step back in Fall practice so why does he have a gripe?

 

[NorthEastCane]

This super complex extremely difficult offense that literally only 3 players have the "intelligence" to understand produced an astounding 214yds in the air...

Don't play any of the WR's, keep'em on the bench & don't act shocked when they hit the portal & kill our depth.

Every other major winning program found a way to get their TF WR's on the field & get them integrated in the offense & played, but we somehow can't even get a group of 2nd year players on the field while simultaneously NOT BEING ABLE TO THE THROW THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD LOL.

Hey the coaches know better than I do so if they don't think they need to play those guys then by all means don't, but if our passing offense remains amongst the worst in college football & we continue to lose games it'll speaks volumes about their lack of ability to develop.

I have no problem with them playing any player they feel gives us the best chance to win, but here's the caveat... YOU HAVE TO WIN.

The offense has cost us multiple games over these last 3 years simply because they were incapable of doing the most basic fundamental sh*t, even garbage P5 teams can figure out a way to pass for 250-260yds a game, in today's era of college football you can literally manufacture yards off scheme & pace alone, but yet we can't do elementary level sh*t to move the ball down the field. We're the only **** team in D1 ball that has an offense chock full of 4-star players that still can't throw the ball lol.

It's real simple, if your offense is struggling you exhaust every option possible until you find what works, doing the same thing over & over again while expecting a different result is insanity.

The problem is you have to look at the root cause of why the offense struggled. Anyone who saw the UF game would not say the WR rotation was the problem. There are other obvious issues that have to be sorted out first that have been talked about ad nauseum in other threads.

My thinking is that the only one that may have lost any reps to Tate was Pope. Against UF, we were mostly using two TE sets. Unless we went to three WR sets (in addition to the slot), who are you going to sit for Hightower, Wiggens, or Payton? Osborn or Thomas were not going to sit with the game on the line.

I understand and agree with the sentiment to play the inexperience guys. I wished they did that with Jarren last year. These guys can learn through trial and error if you get them on the field. And maybe you can catch lightning in a bottle. But even Ahmon Richards didn't ball out the first game of the year. It took him almost to mid-year to reach his stride. The UNC game is a good time to start. The UF game, with the way it played out, was not the ideal time to do it. There was so much at stake locally the objective was to win the game.

 

[brock]

****, fellas. All this after only 1 game and because Tate saw like 10 reps or so at WR? So if we had the same offensive output but Pope, Hightower, Wiggins etc got those few reps instead of Tate would you guys be happier then?

Y’all are gonna break your legs jumping off the Enos bandwagon. I’m gonna give him and the O a little more time.

I’m not jumping off the enos bandwagon whatsoever, I liked What I saw And there were opportunity for even bigger plays. I Just want the receiver rotation specifically Hightower, pope and a lesser extent Payton to be more integrated in the offense

 

[canesthing3]

It’s bigger than Enos for me. I’m not against him and still believe in him. I’m tired of continually wasting offensive talent. It’s been years on years. Your hypothetical doesn’t work because we didn’t have a great offense output nor did we win the game. Nobody is trading wins for great numbers by WRs

Oh ok so if Brevin catches that TD at the end then we ain’t having this conversation?

And do you think if those guys got the limited reps that Tate got, the offensive output would have been different or better? I doubt it bc at least his presence garnered attention on 2 of Deejay’s big runs and Cam’s that got called back. Does that happen if Pope is in his spot?

It’s obvious that for some posters, not saying you, this stems from them not liking Tate.

 

[20EReedboii]

Not arguing any of that. Also very willing to admit Tate is:

1. A legitimate athlete who
2. Has a great grasp of the offense.

But I will reiterate, if he is a better WIDE RECEIVER RIGHT NOW than Pope, Wiggins, and Hightower, then those kids may as well hit the portal now.

Fair point, I toally agree with you on that. I think then it just depends on what roles we see Tate in. If he plays the same role as the UF game then I think that would make more sense rather than having him going out for curls or slants over the other guys

 

[Memnon]

The problem is you have to look at the root cause of why the offense struggled. Anyone who saw the UF game would not say the WR rotation was the problem. There are other obvious issues that have to be sorted out first that have been talked about ad nauseum in other threads.

My thinking is that the only one that may have lost any reps to Tate was Pope. Against UF, we were mostly using two TE sets. Unless we went to three WR sets (in addition to the slot), who are you going to sit for Hightower, Wiggens, or Payton? Osborn or Thomas were not going to sit with the game on the line.

I understand and agree with the sentiment to play the inexperience guys. I wished they did that with Jarren last year. These guys can learn through trial and error if you get them on the field. And maybe you can catch lightning in a bottle. But even Ahmon Richards didn't ball out the first game of the year. It took him almost to mid-year to reach his stride. The UNC game is a good time to start. The UF game, with the way it played out, was not the ideal time to do it. There was so much at stake locally the objective was to win the game.

The objective was to win the game... Did we?

I don't think you guys understand what I'm saying... I'm not reacting to one game in a vacuum, I'm saying the offense has been a problem that has plagued us for a long time now & the solution to the problem isn't to continue to do the same thing that hasn't worked.

I have NO issue with Tate playing, I have NO issue with any of the WR's playing or not playing, I have an issue with while not producing & losing we're hearing about "offensive complexity"...

214 yards... 214. That was all on the OL right? Okay... Just don't tell me the same thing after the UNC game.

We need to win, there are no consolation prizes in almost's & shoulda coulda's... If we can't do basic sh*t on offense we're gonna make it much harder on ourselves than it needs to be.

I'm 100% in support of the coaches all the way... But I'd love to see us win some **** games if that's not too much ask lol.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Fair point, I toally agree with you on that. I think then it just depends on what roles we see Tate in. If he plays the same role as the UF game then I think that would make more sense rather than having him going out for curls or slants over the other guys

I've posted this several times already, but if he's playing some sort of wildcat role, that makes sense to me. If he's playing the Z in the 4th quarter, it's curtains for Pope, Wiggins, and Hightower.

 

[mackjones]

It's only one game for Buddha's sake. So I'm not in WORRY mode about the ENTIRE offense. Enter the coaches and players, for example But... if the offense is still the same ol', same ol' after the month of September. Then Cane fandom can go on the warpath with their reasonable complaints and what not. After all B-C and Central Michigan will be games to " pad " the offensive stats.

 

[Ajcane8]

This super complex extremely difficult offense that literally only 3 players have the "intelligence" to understand produced an astounding 214yds in the air...

Don't play any of the WR's, keep'em on the bench & don't act shocked when they hit the portal & kill our depth.

Every other major winning program found a way to get their TF WR's on the field & get them integrated in the offense & played, but we somehow can't even get a group of 2nd year players on the field while simultaneously NOT BEING ABLE TO THE THROW THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD LOL.

Hey the coaches know better than I do so if they don't think they need to play those guys then by all means don't, but if our passing offense remains amongst the worst in college football & we continue to lose games it'll speaks volumes about their lack of ability to develop.

I have no problem with them playing any player they feel gives us the best chance to win, but here's the caveat... YOU HAVE TO WIN.

The offense has cost us multiple games over these last 3 years simply because they were incapable of doing the most basic fundamental sh*t, even garbage P5 teams can figure out a way to pass for 250-260yds a game, in today's era of college football you can literally manufacture yards off scheme & pace alone, but yet we can't do elementary level sh*t to move the ball down the field. We're the only **** team in D1 ball that has an offense chock full of 4-star players that still can't throw the ball lol.

It's real simple, if your offense is struggling you exhaust every option possible until you find what works, doing the same thing over & over again while expecting a different result is insanity.

So - if) Baxa makes a chip shot, JT lets that punt bounce into the endzone and we win, then) it's OK that Martell stole 9 reps from Pope.

Did I follow that correctly?

 

[The Franchise]

I am firmly in the camp that the coaches play who they feel gives them the best chance to win. Their paychecks and therefore their lives depend on it.

That being said, how awful and/or clueless do Pope, Hightower, and Wiggins need to be to be beaten out by a 5'10 kid who has been a WR for 45 minutes? That's pretty alarming if the coaches think Tate as the Z receiver gives us a better chance to win than those 3 kids.

They absolutely play the guys they think will help them win. Sometimes, they’re wrong though. And they lose or the team doesn’t perform as well as it could because they’re playing the wrong guys too much.

There’s not much science in football. Coaches are human and sometimes get caught up in favoritism even when it’s not a conscious thing. They might have the best of intentions, but maybe they’re making mistakes too.

You could apply the “they’re playing the guys who they think they can win with” logic to assistant coach choices too. Folden kept Doritos because he thought he was the best guy for the job. For whatever reason, he was blinded from reality despite having what should have been superior knowledge to the fans who knew Doritos was the wrong guy.

 

[Atlantic Bch. Cane]

Im not into starting NEW THREADS, so I tried to find a thread that I could ask this question. I was listening to a sports channel and Urban LIAR was talking about his best players playing on special teams like most colleges do. But he was talking and said, without hesitation, that some of his players run 22 mph during plays. My question is do we have ANY players in the 22 mph range or above? @Lance Roffers @Liberty City El @brock or any of the knowledgeable vets? SIAP

 

[brock]

Im not into starting NEW THREADS, so I tried to find a thread that I could ask this question. I was listening to a sports channel and Urban LIAR was talking about his best players playing on special teams like most colleges do. But he was talking and said, without hesitation, that some of his players run 22 mph during plays. My question is do we have ANY players in the 22 mph range or above? @Lance Roffers @Liberty City El @brock or any of the knowledgeable vets? SIAP

If lingard has his speed all the way back I’d say him. Wiggins and pope are confirmed to be above 22 mph. I’ll assume Jeff Thomas as well but it hasn’t been reported

 

[Atlantic Bch. Cane]

If lingard has his speed all the way back I’d say him. Wiggins and pope are confirmed to be above 22 mph. I’ll assume Jeff Thomas as well but it hasn’t been reported

Thanks, wanted to make sure that they weren't reinventing the wheel concerning team speed, and that we can still go toe to toe with them

 

[Billy D Williams]

What has Pope done? What has Wiggins done except drop passes? Payton has as much as experience as Tate. Hightower is the only guy with a legitimate gripe IMO.

Remember, one of the reasons Manny brought in Osborn is because our WR room was too immature. Tate’s rise does not surprise me.

What? You serious! Tate's rise does surprise you because you didn't predict he would be a WR before it was announced 3 weeks ago! Secondly you never thought a 1 week failed QB at 2/two schools (nothing against the kid) would get more burn the Pope or Hightower. Third fact is you never mentioned or thought he would ascend past those two. So to fix your mouth to say it doesn't surprise you wouldn't be the truth. It surprised all of regardless of how we feel.

 

[BeastMode]

Coaches said they were shortening the bench for Florida. All these kids will get snaps. Y’all need to calm down

 

[Hurracanes]

I am firmly in the camp that the coaches play who they feel gives them the best chance to win. Their paychecks and therefore their lives depend on it.

That being said, how awful and/or clueless do Pope, Hightower, and Wiggins need to be to be beaten out by a 5'10 kid who has been a WR for 45 minutes? That's pretty alarming if the coaches think Tate as the Z receiver gives us a better chance to win than those 3 kids.

If I’m any of those guys, you’re going to have to kill me to take snaps away from me, let alone from a QB. No one would outwork me. ****, we might even fight if we have to just to get it in his head he ain’t starting over me. I would mentally own you.