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Please no more Stretch run plays

The Franchise said:
LuCane said:
The Franchise said:
Canesfan1899 said:
The Franchise said:
Slow developing run plays will get eaten alive by fsu. Yeah, we might break a couple for decent gains, but I think for consistent gains we need to go right at them. Duke's a menace to society between the tackles.
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I don't disagree with this at all, it just seems like those stretch plays are Duke's favorite. The next 2 games is where you let your massive OL go out and dominate the guys in front of them and move the chains that way.
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I've seen "the stretch plays are Duke's favorite" rhetoric on here quite a bit. I don't know that that's true because I haven't heard it from Duke. And even if it is, we have to do what will work best against fsu. And I just don't think slow-developing run plays against an aggressive fast defense like that will work consistently.

I don't want to be in 2nd and 12 too many times because that's where Morris gets annihilated. I'd prefer 2nd and 6, and I think going right at them reduces the chance of negative yardage plays.
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I don't know if it's rhetoric. It's what best suits his style of play. Why are you saying that zone plays won't work against FSU? Is there anything behind that or just what you've seen of them in the past?
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This is all opinion just like it's your opinion that Duke is best on stretch plays, but I think fsu is too quick and will cause too many negative plays if we go to the stretch well too often. I didn't say that zone plays won't work. I said that I'd prefer to primarily run right at them and blow them off the ball. I'd rather see what we can do hitting creases quickly instead of running laterally against a team with that sort of speed.
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You disagree that Duke's style is best suited for zone plays? Note, no one is saying he isn't good at other things, but RBs have styles and attributes that are best suited for certain plays/schemes. Curious why you don't seem to share that opinion.
 
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LuCane said:
The Franchise said:
LuCane said:
The Franchise said:
Canesfan1899 said:
I don't disagree with this at all, it just seems like those stretch plays are Duke's favorite. The next 2 games is where you let your massive OL go out and dominate the guys in front of them and move the chains that way.
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I've seen "the stretch plays are Duke's favorite" rhetoric on here quite a bit. I don't know that that's true because I haven't heard it from Duke. And even if it is, we have to do what will work best against fsu. And I just don't think slow-developing run plays against an aggressive fast defense like that will work consistently.

I don't want to be in 2nd and 12 too many times because that's where Morris gets annihilated. I'd prefer 2nd and 6, and I think going right at them reduces the chance of negative yardage plays.
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I don't know if it's rhetoric. It's what best suits his style of play. Why are you saying that zone plays won't work against FSU? Is there anything behind that or just what you've seen of them in the past?
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This is all opinion just like it's your opinion that Duke is best on stretch plays, but I think fsu is too quick and will cause too many negative plays if we go to the stretch well too often. I didn't say that zone plays won't work. I said that I'd prefer to primarily run right at them and blow them off the ball. I'd rather see what we can do hitting creases quickly instead of running laterally against a team with that sort of speed.
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You disagree that Duke's style is best suited for zone plays? Note, no one is saying he isn't good at other things, but RBs have styles and attributes that are best suited for certain plays/schemes. Curious why you don't seem to share that opinion.
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I think great RBs are great RBs, and he's a great RB. Hand him the ball and give him a little crease. He'll hit the crease and go. What kind of blocking scheme did they run at Norland?

I'm not sure what Duke's "style" is. To me, he looks like a really tough guy with excellent quickness and very good speed who isn't averse to contact. I think a "style" like that flourishes in any system you want to run.
 
He can most assuredly "hit a crease" in an outside zone play, however, I agree that his style fists any offense.
 
He was on another planet of talent when it came to HS guys. Players couldn't stay within 5 feet of his cutbacks. The blocking scheme there was irrelevant.

He's a great RB. I think he can do almost anything and have compared his style to Ladanian - a guy who could do basically whatever asked. That doesn't mean he doesn't have a "best attribute." I think that's cutback ability and the acceleration out of those cuts. That's put in awesome display during zone runs. It doesn't mean that's all we should run.

Here's proof that, less than 10 days ago, I asked for something closer to what you're talking about: http://www.canesinsight.com/threads/57436-Style-and-OL-Very-Excited-about-THIS?highlight=power+run

I just also acknowledge those elite attributes I mentioned above and don't think it's "rhetoric" to say a RB is a really good fit for a certain scheme. On Saturday, we'll have to "pick our poison" because FSU has talented dudes at both DL and LB. Don't think we'll see one or the other.
 
I don't think FSU's DL is as good as the one we saw against UF's. That is the only team we weren't able to run on this year. We have hit at least 165 in every other game. Establishing the run will be the key to this game. I don't think we should change anything. Maybe through some new wrinkles at them in the running game but I am not buying that stretch plays wont work.
 
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I love that we're being accused of a running play that's used too frequently. That was never a complaint under Fisch.

Only good things happen as a result. Long term. There's nothing that will necessarily bail us out this week.

Runs for short yardage are great plays. Necessary plays. Investments. That's more true in the NFL but it also applies to college. I love it when a team runs frequently for a yard or two because I know it's a smart coach and I can win plenty of bets on that team down the road.

Run the ball often, pass the ball well.
 
Id rather not see it on goal line situations and short yardage.....power blocking on those situations....but with duke, i dont mid the stretch run cause he has wiggle enough for those types of runs.
 
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gogeta4 said:
all i know is that BEAST.....Telvin Smith will eat that sh*t up like a bat out of ****....that dude will slip and shoot th eblocks on the zone imo. We gotta get a hat on him....he imo is the best lb on either tema in the game...and sets the tone for their d.

we need to run some plays to play off of his speed and aggresiveness....hes a heady player though.

IMO fsu's ends arent anything special...we wont get aot of push on them...but they arent quick guys as their dt's. We need to blow Jernigan/Mcdaniel off the ball...which i thinkw e will have a problem with as Mcdermott isnt strong... and has problem with quick guys off the ball.
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I hate that dude, he is always around the ball. My biggest concern in the run game is McDermott, he is a liability IMO. I wish Wheeler would start at center.
 
Wait??? We have a play with a tight end drag from the backside! Whoa! LOL In All Seriousness, We need to run those type of plays alot more often. I also have seen our TE's running free before but Morris never targets them. I think more of our lack of TE production is due to the QB and not the offensive scheme. Williams has no problems finding the TE. Morris only looks for them on 5 yard outs or seams up the middle.
NorthFlaCane said:
run power and then run counter, rinse and repeat

playaction off that with a tight end drag to the backside and one of waters/coley going deep
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Ugh. McDermott. :\

I swear, every time a running play is blown up, I look to see where the defender came from and it's usually his guy.
 
jdmorgan76 said:
Duke is averaging an ACC leading 7.1 per carry between the tackles...
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Lots of yards in zone plays come from cutbacks between the tackles. Between the tackles doesn't mean it's a power, counter or lead, etc.
 
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I've always heard the way to attack a speedy defense is to run straight at it. When you start stretching out the play is where you get hit for losses. I would like to see more quicker developing runs and some PA mixed in. Hit the TE over the middle if Morris can make the throws.
 
MOAR power running plays with Wheeler, Feliciano, Walford as the lead blockers. Nobody has been able to stop this.

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Sandman211 said:
I've always heard the way to attack a speedy defense is to run straight at it. When you start stretching out the play is where you get hit for losses. I would like to see more quicker developing runs and some PA mixed in. Hit the TE over the middle if Morris can make the throws.
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Depends on the speediness and your OL, if you can get the speedy players to over pursue, that's when you get the cutbacks and the big plays.

We're going to run zone and power and counter against FSU like we have all season. I'm hoping we see some more PA off the counters and powers though.
 
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