Places to knock down for stadium

[theribdoctor]

Frankies Pizza, only a mile west on Bird..

I'd take Vitos

 

[Rellyrell]

Bro, that’s page 38.

When you’re quoting a financial statement, you use the actual page number.

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Not according to my device, but does it matter? Page 40, 38, 27, 21. U asked to look at stadium operations as an operating partner; it’s broken down & shows that SC is making a profit from LA Coliseum.

 

[Canedude08]

And Palm Beach. And Martin. And St. Lucie. Do you think that telling tens of thousands of fans to stay home when you're trying to pay for a billion dollar stadium is a winning strategy?

Telling the bulk of the local Miami alumni base to kick rocks. That's what a lot of our fans don't get. The kids that stay after graduation tend to move out of Miami Dade county, they move to Broward, WPB, etc. That is the bulk of your donor pool as well. Keeping those people engaged is important. Putting the stadium in a place that isn't on campus and it's worse to access and it doesn't provide nearly the premium fan experience isn't a winning strategy.

Ruiz has his heart in the right place, and if he wants to spend money, then so be it. That said, logic indicates that he's flushing his money down the toilet.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

Not according to my device, but does it matter? Page 40, 38, 27, 21. U asked to look at stadium operations as an operating partner; it’s broken down & shows that SC is making a profit from LA Coliseum.

Can you break that down how it showing a profit, all I saw was expenses. But maybe you broke it down differently

 

[rsa coral gables]

Telling the bulk of the local Miami alumni base to kick rocks. That's what a lot of our fans don't get. The kids that stay after graduation tend to move out of Miami Dade county, they move to Broward, WPB, etc. That is the bulk of your donor pool as well. Keeping those people engaged is important. Putting the stadium in a place that isn't on campus and it's worse to access and it doesn't provide nearly the premium fan experience isn't a winning strategy.

Ruiz has his heart in the right place, and if he wants to spend money, then so be it. That said, logic indicates that he's flushing his money down the toilet.

crown this response. more adults, less video game kids, por favor.

 

[Rellyrell]

Can you break that down how it showing a profit, all I saw was expenses. But maybe you broke it down differently

USC breaks down their revenue stream on page 8. 5% of their revenue comes from Aux. Enterprise. Aux Enterprise is broken down on page 10. The Coliseum’s operating report highlights the operations of the Coliseum alone, but it doesn’t highlight other revenue streams attached to the Coliseum. So my fault for the assumption u read the report.

Also, I’ll like to attach another article & notice it says “Revenue Stream.”

https://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/news/2018/02/07/l-a-coliseum-takes-off-with-renovation-new-revenue.html

 

[JD08]

We keep comparing to the L.A. Coliseum, but is that an outlier as far as revenue? It's an iconic location. I don't think Nascar will be suggesting having the New Ruiz Family Orange Bowl host a race. If you're a concert organizer, are you going to rent the NRFOB or HRS?

 

[AlexCane]

Telling the bulk of the local Miami alumni base to kick rocks. That's what a lot of our fans don't get. The kids that stay after graduation tend to move out of Miami Dade county, they move to Broward, WPB, etc. That is the bulk of your donor pool as well. Keeping those people engaged is important. Putting the stadium in a place that isn't on campus and it's worse to access and it doesn't provide nearly the premium fan experience isn't a winning strategy.

Ruiz has his heart in the right place, and if he wants to spend money, then so be it. That said, logic indicates that he's flushing his money down the toilet.

It's a fair point, but you're re-framing the problem and the solution.

One of the primary reasons for an on-campus stadium is "the students can't get to Hard Rock." If the stadium were moved on-campus or closer, the reason wouldn't be to ***** the non-305 residents but rather to make the games more accessible to the students.

 

[rok]

Leroy Jenkins on WEZ suggested paving over the infamous West Grove and erecting a stadium there.

Thoughts?

 

[TheOriginalCane]

This site was going to be explored when Inter Miami was looking for a location, but it fell through when some of the homeowners got real greedy.

The shopping center you mention from time to time is barely 10 acres, so it isn't feasible.

The Inter Miami location is not feasible either. you have 3 initial MAJOR impediments. first is parking which is underground and not enough to support 50k. plus since it is undergound there would be little to no tailgate areas second, is height. the FAA has already complained that the proposed initial height might be too high given that planes are landing less than a mile away. a bigger bowl suggest a taller bowl and further issues with the FAA. third, the city of miami (all that needs to be said).

Not arguing with you, just conversing.

The area to the east of Marlins Park that I am talking about is 2-story/3-story apartment buildings, not really houses. Let "someone" (maybe with the name Ruiz) make the purchases, or else use eminent domain (somewhat controversial, I agree).

The shopping center that I am talking about is 43 acres. Take the whole block of land, including the fast-food out-parcels and the Infiniti overflow lot. It is 4 city blocks by 4 city blocks, same size as the old OB (north to south, from NW 7th Street to NW 11th Street, and from east to west, from NW 37th Avenue to NW 39th Avenue, including the "courts" in between each avenue).

And you know what EVERY casino loves? A parking garage. Build a parking garage on Magic City's property, use it for games, and the rest of the time the Casino can have it for free.

I am not suggesting to put a stadium on Melreese, but between the three sites (Melreese, Central Shopping Plaza, Magic City), you would have the opportunity to share parking facilities across a relatively small distance, which could be offset with shuttles.

I have season tickets for Orlando City Soccer. A lot of people park east of I-4 and walk nearly a mile to the stadium. It wouldn't be impossible to link things on either side of the 836.

 

[rsa coral gables]

It's a fair point, but you're re-framing the problem and the solution.

One of the primary reasons for an on-campus stadium is "the students can't get to Hard Rock." If the stadium were moved on-campus or closer, the reason wouldn't be to ***** the non-305 residents but rather to make the games more accessible to the students.

and there´s the rub. to the 5,000 to 8,000 (probably less) students that may want to attend versus the 15,000 - 20,000 broward/palm beach residents that may want to attend. i don't have the actual numbers, but everyone that sits near me in my section is from broward except me and my buddy behind me.

regardless, it is moot IMO. anywhere that is reasonable and feasible is just as far away as HRS.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

and have you heard of the Matheson family who deeded the property to the county with restrictions and sued the county a few years ago when the county tried to expand the foot print of the tennis center and lost, causing the 2 week tennis open to move to, guess where?, Hard Rock Stadium.

you guys live in a video game world.

This is the key. Bruce Matheson destroyed the City in court.

 

[rsa coral gables]

Leroy Jenkins on WEZ suggested paving over the infamous West Grove and erecting a stadium there.

Thoughts?

never going to happen, for market and political reasons. first the market is red hot there, making pricing very high right now and not likely to subside. second, hundreds of properties would have to be purchased. since this is not feasible, the best way to do so would be via eminent domain and there is likely ZERO political will do use govt power to buy out these properties. that process could take 7-10 years if exercised

 

[AlexCane]

and there´s the rub. to the 5,000 to 8,000 (probably less) students that may want to attend versus the 15,000 - 20,000 broward/palm beach residents that may want to attend. i don't have the actual numbers, but everyone that sits near me in my section is from broward except me and my buddy behind me.

regardless, it is moot IMO. anywhere that is reasonable and feasible is just as far away as HRS.

But you're assuming that the Broward and Palm Beach fans that come to the games now would not come if we changed spots. I think most will. Because, brother, if you've been going to Cane games in Hard Rock you are a fan thick and thin! LOL.

 

[rsa coral gables]

But you're assuming that the Broward and Palm Beach fans that come to the games now would not come if we changed spots. I think most will. Because, brother, if you've been going to Cane games in Hard Rock you are a fan thick and thin! LOL.

agreed. Win and the new stadium issue goes away.

 

[AlexCane]

What is the west grove? Like, the poor part lol?

 

[rsa coral gables]

What is the west grove? Like, the poor part lol?

yes, is the black grove, the area where Bahamians (Biminites to be exact) came to work when Miami started to be developed in the early 20th century. it is in the middle of gentrification process, i've closed 5-7 real property deals there in the last 2 years for outrageous money.

 

[AlexCane]

yes, is the black grove, the area where Bahamians (Biminites to be exact) came to work when Miami started to be developed in the early 20th century. it is in the middle of gentrification process, i've closed 5-7 real property deals there in the last 2 years for outrageous money.

I didn't know if "black grove" was not pc but since you said it . . . haha . . . man, while that would be cool, that would draw a ton of criticism if some of those folks were pushed out, particularly with the lack of available low income housing.

As an aside, years ago, I looked at a house that was <$400,00 nearly right off Grand. The street had some really nice homes but I was not interested in that area. It's probably $1MM+ now. If I knew then what I know now.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

I didn't know if "black grove" was not pc but since you said it . . . haha . . . man, while that would be cool, that would draw a ton of criticism if some of those folks were pushed out, particularly with the lack of available low income housing.

As an aside, years ago, I looked at a house that was <$400,00 nearly right off Grand. The street had some really nice homes but I was not interested in that area. It's probably $1MM+ now. If I knew then what I know now.

I used to live on Loquat when I was in law school (mid-1990s), about halfway between LeJeune and Douglas. My roommate's parents owned the house. Very close to the West Grove. Had some on-street-parking car break-ins, etc. Eventually, they put up a metal fence around the property, but it's an absolutely beautiful area. Even the old houses have got to be $1M or more, and that's not even counting some of the old-teardown new-mini-mansions.

 

[AlexCane]

I used to live on Loquat when I was in law school (mid-1990s), about halfway between LeJeune and Douglas. My roommate's parents owned the house. Very close to the West Grove. Had some on-street-parking car break-ins, etc. Eventually, they put up a metal fence around the property, but it's an absolutely beautiful area. Even the old houses have got to be $1M or more, and that's not even counting some of the old-teardown new-mini-mansions.

Lord. I am almost positive that was the street. Not a forgettable name.

Edit: my recollection, and this was years ago, was that the street had some beautiful homes but once you got off that street, it was like woah.