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Perfect candidate for an Oregon copycat

D2D28 said:
I'm not saying we need to be 100% Oregon spread. But just like Bama runs an offense based on their strengths we should do the same. We brought in what we thought was elite offensive talent in 08' from MNW & BTW(both from spread systems) & tried to conform them to a pro style. The only time JH looked comfortable was when he worked out the gun in up tempo situations. Maybe these players were "busts" cuz they didn't fit the system & the coaches didn't make an attempt to put them in a system to utilize their skill set. Look at how many Florida kids around the country are excelling in spread concept offenses(Denard,Geno &WV, Bridgewater, Watkins, etc, etc, etc)...it gets frustrating.
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Uhhh, Jacory's best year was last year under Fisch. Not surprisingly that was the year he received the best coaching of his career.
 
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I can't do it right now, but I'd love to destroy the stance that you have to play in a pro-style offense to be drafted highly in the NFL.

Not only is that not accurate anymore, but the point of Miami is to win collegiate games, not serve as some ******* holding station for kids who have their eyes on money instead of playing college ball hard. That was a major factor in a ****** mentality around this program for some time, IMO.
 
WhatTheHell said:
I can't do it right now, but I'd love to destroy the stance that you have to play in a pro-style offense to be drafted highly in the NFL.

Not only is that not accurate anymore, but the point of Miami is to win collegiate games, not serve as some ******* holding station for kids who have their eyes on money instead of playing college ball hard. That was a major factor in a ****** mentality around this program for some time, IMO.
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I'm still waiting for someone to show me that the spread offense (so many different variants) wins more games then any other offense.
 
I love the arguments about "quality defenses with pro-style offenses blah blah smash mouth"...

Urban Meyer titi ****ed the SEC with a spread offense and finished on their faces. In addition, he sent a ****load of guys into the league and put two trophies into the University of Florida's case.

Cam won a title running the spread. So did Vince Young. The ******* thing works at big schools. It's not some "gimmick" anymore when you run the ball out of it. I know we have some posters in leather helmets who refuse to adapt to a changing game, but that's the way it is.
 
DiegoCane said:
D2D28 said:
I'm not saying we need to be 100% Oregon spread. But just like Bama runs an offense based on their strengths we should do the same. We brought in what we thought was elite offensive talent in 08' from MNW & BTW(both from spread systems) & tried to conform them to a pro style. The only time JH looked comfortable was when he worked out the gun in up tempo situations. Maybe these players were "busts" cuz they didn't fit the system & the coaches didn't make an attempt to put them in a system to utilize their skill set. Look at how many Florida kids around the country are excelling in spread concept offenses(Denard,Geno &WV, Bridgewater, Watkins, etc, etc, etc)...it gets frustrating.
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Uhhh, Jacory's best year was last year under Fisch. Not surprisingly that was the year he received the best coaching of his career.
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Agree. And UM was ponderously slow running plays last year. I don't think we ever sniffed up tempo.
 
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WhatTheHell said:
I love the arguments about "quality defenses with pro-style offenses blah blah smash mouth"...

Urban Meyer titi ****ed the SEC with a spread offense and finished on their faces. In addition, he sent a ****load of guys into the league and put two trophies into the University of Florida's case.

Cam won a title running the spread. So did Vince Young. The ******* thing works at big schools. It's not some "gimmick" anymore when you run the ball out of it. I know we have some posters in leather helmets who refuse to adapt to a changing game, but that's the way it is.
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Those Cam Newton's, Tebow's, and Young's grow on trees I tell you.

You can't just say "spread" since there are so many different variations.
 
D2D28 said:
I'm not saying we need to be 100% Oregon spread. But just like Bama runs an offense based on their strengths we should do the same. We brought in what we thought was elite offensive talent in 08' from MNW & BTW(both from spread systems) & tried to conform them to a pro style. The only time JH looked comfortable was when he worked out the gun in up tempo situations. Maybe these players were "busts" cuz they didn't fit the system & the coaches didn't make an attempt to put them in a system to utilize their skill set. Look at how many Florida kids around the country are excelling in spread concept offenses(Denard,Geno &WV, Bridgewater, Watkins, etc, etc, etc)...it gets frustrating.
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The only kids that you named at the end of your post that will likely start in the NFL one day are possibly Geno and Watkins. Geno, because I think he could be a pro-style QB with some proper coaching, and Watkins because he's just a phenomenal game-changing athlete. Spread or no spread, he would have made an impact last season for somebody.

Streeter will likely play this season for the Ravens. Benjamin is getting good burn with the Browns so far. Miller should make the Dolphins roster and should eventually be a player for them. Even guys who were green players while at Miami get looks in the NFL because they can understand pro-style concepts (look no further than Jimmy Graham for an example of this), and that's due to the coaching they get at UM on how to understand the pro-style offenses that the NFL runs. Hankerson has gotten rave reviews with the Skins. We can go on and on.

If you're saying we don't need to be 100% Oregon spread, then you don't really have much of a point left dude. We run Spread concepts (just like New England does...see my above post), and we still run the football and set up playaction like a traditional pro-style offense does. You don't have much left to stand on.

I think we're done here, man.
 
How can't I? Spread - an offense working primarily from the gun and using multiple wideouts.

What you operate out of that is another story, but those three teams had one thing in common: they could all run the ball. People think spread and **** their pants at the image of the QB throwing it 60 times a game. You can still have a dominate running game out of the spread.

You know what's funny? Put Young or Tebow in a pro styled offense in college and they wouldn't have won ****.
 
I think a spread offense is fine. I don't think it is superior to other offenses though. I do know this, of the teams that have won NC running the spread its been with all world QBs (Young, Tebow, Newton). In that same time frame Bama and LSU have won championship with less then stellar QB play.

I also don't think about a spread throwing it 60 times a game. My boy coached under Meyer/Sanford/Mullen at Utah so know a lot about the concepts of that offense.
 
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WhatTheHell said:
I can't do it right now, but I'd love to destroy the stance that you have to play in a pro-style offense to be drafted highly in the NFL.
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I never said that. I said you're more NFL-ready as an offensive player if you come from a pro-style background in college. That doesn't mean you'll get drafted in the first 3 rounds automatically, it just means no matter where you're drafted (or not), you have a shot at sticking because you understand the pro-style concepts better than a guy coming from a Spread background. That's all. You can be a Justin Blackmon or a Dez Bryant talent, but unless you can pick up the pro-style concepts, your prospects for immediate NFL success aren't as high as someone from a pro-style background (like Hankerson, for instance).

Not only is that not accurate anymore, but the point of Miami is to win collegiate games, not serve as some ******* holding station for kids who have their eyes on money instead of playing college ball hard. That was a major factor in a ****** mentality around this program for some time, IMO.
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Absolutely the point is to win games on the collegiate level--you will not see me argue that at all. I saw NFL U held up as reasons to keep guys like Coker and Shannon way too long--made me as sick as anyone. It's not our job to be a feeder school for the NFL, but part of the recruiting pitch to kids is that you can help prepare them for the NFL. There's a stark differentiation that should be made as far as that goes.

Not only can we run Pro-style and prepare kids for the NFL...but we can win with it as well. It's just going to take time to get the proper guys in place and teach them the concepts correctly. Fisch and the other guys on the offensive staff seem to be doing this pretty well, based off of how the offense played last year. With the Spread, you can get the quick-hitting plays, but you can't sustain drives. Part of the game is ball control and possession. Without that, you just have to hope and pray your D is stout and you can outscore the other guy every single game. That's not a sound offensive gameplan, as far as winning the tough ballgames.

With the proper talent and coaching, a pro-style offense is the way to go. The matchups that are created and the diversity of the offense put the defense on it's heels. You dictate to the defense. In the Spread, you have to run guys around and hope for the timing to be right, and hope for the big hitters to come more often than not. Against inferior defenses, they come a lot. Against defenses that have NFL-type of guys on it, the Spread tends to wilt pretty quickly.
 
WhatTheHell said:
How can't I? Spread - an offense working primarily from the gun and using multiple wideouts.

What you operate out of that is another story, but those three teams had one thing in common: they could all run the ball. People think spread and **** their pants at the image of the QB throwing it 60 times a game. You can still have a dominate running game out of the spread.
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You can--you just have to recruit for it. Tebow and Young are what they are, and they dominated out of those offenses.

Look at those programs now--Texas' offense is terrible because David Ash nor Case McCoy are VY incarnate. They can't run that offense. Without that style of QB, you can't run that offense. Same goes for Jeff Driskell and Jacoby Brissett at UFag. Neither one of those guys are Tebow, so that style of offense they run suffers. Now--watch Braxton Miller have a big year because he is that type of guy, and that's what Sperman Crier will run up in Columbass.

You know what's funny? Put Young or Tebow in a pro styled offense in college and they wouldn't have won ****.
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One of the best things said in this thread.

We run a pro-style offense, we recruit pro-style players and QB's. The Spread schools will recruit the guys that fit their system. If they succeed, great. If not, great. It's more about knowing your scheme, recruiting the proper guys for it, teaching it, and making it a well-oiled machine.
 
100% outta the shotgun, DO NOT WANT



Ill take Boises offense which is pro style with ALOT of spread concepts in it
 
IMO, it's not the spread that makes Oregon successful. It is that they have the best **** coaching the spread could ever ask for, and have recruited well for their style. I'm pretty sure Nick Saban could show up in Eugene and win football games. Just like I'm sure either Chip Kelly OR Nick Saban, polar opposites of each other, could win in Coral Gables. If you know how to coach, you will know how to win football games.

FWIW, if Golden fails, I'm all for bringing the all-out spread to Miami. If we are going to lose, at least entertain me.
 
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Nick Farley loves Oregon's spread offense

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Dennis Erickson joined the Canes in 1989 and the message was clear from day 1.... do whatever you want with the offense but you aren't touching this defense (and he didn't)

Whether it's Erickson's Ace spread, Howards Split Back Pro, or Butch's I-form sets it really hasn't mattered... we won games on defense.
The obvious X-factor offensively is we've generally had a cerebral QB at the helm managing the game. You go to an Oregon spread, and imo, that's out the window.

Also say bye bye to QB-U, RB-U (becomes 3rd down scatback-U), & TE-U


I really like what Fisch is doing with this offense and based on the amounts of WRs we've brought in recently it's clear were looking to run 3 and 4 sets more often. (under center, SG, whatever)
But you still need to be a threat to run between the tackles against the big boys (FSU, VT, Florida, SEC, etc)
 
why not hire Urban Meyer and fully implement the spread O?

maybe we can bail Shapiro out of jail so he can pay for our cool new uniforms too.
 
Too many generalizations in this thread. It's like telling a basketball coach to switch from man to 2-3 zone. The scheme doesnt matter so much as the execution. The closer Miami has gotten to a spread in the past 10 years, the worse they have looked. Chud's pro style was better than Werner's spread and Whipple's pro style was better than Nix's spread. I will give credit to Werner for playing to Berlin's strengths however.

I don't see what is wrong with the pro style offense though. FSU and UF both are pro style, UGA pro style, Bama pro style, USC pro style, Wisconsin pro style, VT pro style, Tennessee pro style, Ohio State has been pro style up until now, LSU pro style, Stanford pro style, Michigan will be pro style once Robinson is gone. The only team that has been consistently a top program running a spread over the last 15 years is Oklahoma. I realize Auburn, Oregon, Clemson and and Okie State are exciting, but those teams have never been consistently great.
 
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