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Perfect candidate for an Oregon copycat

D2D28 said:
Sorry my fault for suggesting an idea that could possibly put 40-50 points on the scoreboard every game. Or imaging a way to possibly have Duke, Alex, & Sony all on the field at once. I just wonder if thats really they way u feel when your quick to turn on that Oregon game...too fast, too explosive, too many playmakers running around. Too many defensive players faking injuries(cuz that wouldn't be an advantage in sofla heat). I didn't say I wanted their defense.
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Its really the way I feel, especially when I tune in to an Oregon game. Just my personal opinion but I want nothing to do with that offense.
 
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D2D28 said:
Sorry my fault for suggesting an idea that could possibly put 40-50 points on the scoreboard every game. Or imaging a way to possibly have Duke, Alex, & Sony all on the field at once. I just wonder if thats really they way u feel when your quick to turn on that Oregon game...too fast, too explosive, too many playmakers running around. Too many defensive players faking injuries(cuz that wouldn't be an advantage in sofla heat). I didn't say I wanted their defense.
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You should be saying sorry for not providing a more thorough or better explanation as to why you think it's a good idea. I'm talking about stuff other than, "well former players told me so" and "Oregon is cool and I really like their nifty uniforms."

Take a look at BWBC (idk wtf his name is, but you know who I'm talking about). Look at the way he explains his points in a rational way. Be more like him.
 
2001 Miami Hurricanes Schedule

Result Opponent
W 33-7 @ Penn State
W 61-0 Rutgers*
W 43-21 @ Pittsburgh*
W 38-7 Troy
W 49-27 @ #14 Florida State
W 45-3 West Virginia*
W 38-0 Temple*
W 18-7 @ Boston College*
W 59-0 #14 Syracuse*
W 65-7 #12 Washington
W 26-24 @ #14 Virginia Tech*
W 37-14 #4 Nebraska

Yep. Pro-style offenses suck. /sarcasm
 
BWCD said:
2001 Miami Hurricanes Schedule

Result Opponent
W 33-7 @ Penn State
W 61-0 Rutgers*
W 43-21 @ Pittsburgh*
W 38-7 Troy
W 49-27 @ #14 Florida State
W 45-3 West Virginia*
W 38-0 Temple*
W 18-7 @ Boston College*
W 59-0 #14 Syracuse*
W 65-7 #12 Washington
W 26-24 @ #14 Virginia Tech*
W 37-14 #4 Nebraska

Pro-style offenses suck.
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I count several instances where we didn't put up 40-50 points. ****** offense if you ask me.
 
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For the record--I was a proponent of bringing Mike Leach in to be our next Head Coach after Shannon was fired. I saw the possibilities that running an Air Raid type of offense at Miami held. At the end of the day though, that's probably what caused Leach to never get a sniff at a job interview (that, and his wacky personality wouldn't have vibed with Shalala and Hocutt).

Recruits across the nation LIKE that we're a pro-style school and prepare them for the NFL.
 
D2D28 said:
Sorry my fault for suggesting an idea that could possibly put 40-50 points on the scoreboard every game. Or imaging a way to possibly have Duke, Alex, & Sony all on the field at once. I just wonder if thats really they way u feel when your quick to turn on that Oregon game...too fast, too explosive, too many playmakers running around. Too many defensive players faking injuries(cuz that wouldn't be an advantage in sofla heat). I didn't say I wanted their defense.
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Yeah I hear you. Lets just get Oregon's offense and Bama's defense and we will be fine.
 
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Are u serious? Your just not gonna listen to the main points:
1-Our main recruiting base is made up of players perfect for a spread system...fast athletes
2-It's a fact that south florida athletes don't have weight programs like other parts of the country therefore we have to go get big guys up front
3- How many true pro style QBs are coming out of this area?
4- Times change. The NFL is adopting more & more spread concepts & are not afraid to draft spread players anymore
4- It's so fla. Try keeping up with that tempo down here.
5- We're not getting what ever stud we want like an elite SEC program, esp with sanctions possibly coming so we better get creative.
6- I'm not still living in 2001
7- Btw recruits are attracted to cool(Oregon)if your not gonna pay them(SEC)
 
Recruits are so attracted to the cool factor of Oregon that they have never had a top 10 class despite the best facilities on the planet.

We haven't been good because we have had incompetent HCs for 10 years, period. Not because we aren't running a spread offense.
 
DiegoCane said:
Recruits are so attracted to the cool factor of Oregon that they have never had a top 10 class despite the best facilities on the planet.

We haven't been good because we have had incompetent HCs for 10 years, period. Not because we aren't running a spread offense.
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Its not that I think the idea is completely nonsensical but I want to add to your good point. Our problem hasn't been recruiting its been identifying and evaluating talent that fits our team. You can't just say "oh he's fast put him in the spread" and expect it to work. Kelly is a **** good coach thaw why it works. Now I think we have one too that can make it work. Why overhaul when it isn't necessary?
 
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I think the funniest part is that I don't think the OP actually knows how many different types of spread offenses there are. He keeps on listing all of these teams, but Oregon spread does not equal New England Patriots spread offense. Also, we recruit better than Oregon does...so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
 
CanEs4life04 said:
Just IMO, but the reason Oregon hasn't won a MNC is not because of their style of offensive football but because they have been small and slow on defense.
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They put up 19 points in the championship game. Why is that being ignored?
 
D2D28 said:
Are u serious? Your just not gonna listen to the main points:
1-Our main recruiting base is made up of players perfect for a spread system...fast athletes
2-It's a fact that south florida athletes don't have weight programs like other parts of the country therefore we have to go get big guys up front
3- How many true pro style QBs are coming out of this area?
4- Times change. The NFL is adopting more & more spread concepts & are not afraid to draft spread players anymore
4- It's so fla. Try keeping up with that tempo down here.
5- We're not getting what ever stud we want like an elite SEC program, esp with sanctions possibly coming so we better get creative.
6- I'm not still living in 2001
7- Btw recruits are attracted to cool(Oregon)if your not gonna pay them(SEC)
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You've got those ideas in your head, and that's fine. If that's what you want to think, go ahead. Root for it with all your heart.

However--it's simply not going happen. I'll still root for the Canes even if we started running the Spread exclusively, but it's simply not going to happen.

Our recruiting base, when we're good, is a national one. I see nothing wrong with recruiting nationally, running a pro-style offense, and creating mismatches with the speedy players from S. Florida with a pro-style scheme. Currently, in the 2013 class so far, we have 3 out of state guys committed, and 7 Florida kids.

OOS: Olsen (Pro-style QB - New Jersey), Gall (OL - Ohio), Dobard (TE - Louisiana).

FLA: Bryant (DT), Burns (DB), Carter (S), Collins (RB), Johnson (TE), Kerr (TE/OL), Lewis III (ATH/RB).

We will likely finish out the class with a few more OL (mostly from Florida, it looks like), and a few DT's/DE's (in-state/out-of-state, doesn't matter).

We have Gall from Ohio--it's a big kid that we went OOS to get...that's true. However, we're looking at guys like Denver Kirkland who is *gasp* from Booker T. If going to "other parts of the country to get big guys" means we have to go all the way to Overtown...then by all means, let's do it.

All of that--plus what DCF said.
 
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D2D28 said:
Are u serious? Your just not gonna listen to the main points:
1-Our main recruiting base is made up of players perfect for a spread system...fast athletes
2-It's a fact that south florida athletes don't have weight programs like other parts of the country therefore we have to go get big guys up front
3- How many true pro style QBs are coming out of this area?
4- Times change. The NFL is adopting more & more spread concepts & are not afraid to draft spread players anymore
4- It's so fla. Try keeping up with that tempo down here.
5- We're not getting what ever stud we want like an elite SEC program, esp with sanctions possibly coming so we better get creative.
6- I'm not still living in 2001
7- Btw recruits are attracted to cool(Oregon)if your not gonna pay them(SEC)
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First off, Oregon is being bankrolled by a super millionaire. We don't have that money and we never will. That gives them a LOT of advantages.

Second, forget about the fast athletes - every place has fast athletes. What matters most is how you use your athletes. Sofla no longer has the monopoly on speed. Heck, Miami has fielded slow defenses for the psat 5 years.

Third: you're not going to win with a roster that is almost all sofla athletes. You need a balance.

The pro set works - look at USC...they won big with it. There are countless programs that win with it.
 
AaronRodgersJewBeard said:
I think the funniest part is that I don't think the OP actually knows how many different types of spread offenses there are. He keeps on listing all of these teams, but Oregon spread does not equal New England Patriots spread offense. Also, we recruit better than Oregon does...so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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I made a post about the Pats offense in particular when I first got to this board...I don't remember the whole thing, but it went something like this:

New England is a Pro-style offense with Spread concepts. That is the key thing to remember. A true pro-style offense used to be just I-Form, 2 WR, and a TE. Establish the run game, work the pass off of playaction to the TE up the seam and to the WR's deep.

Nowadays--a true Pro-style offense is one that incorporates multiple formations to create mismatches of personnel with the defense. The Pats might put Hernandez or Gronkowski in the slot for something that looks like a Spread formation, but the formation is secondary to the match-up that the OC is trying to create, which is isolating a slower LB or a smaller CB on that TE. So, while a Spread concept may be in place, the Pro-style goal is still the main piece of the offensive gameplan--to run playaction, and get the TE open over the middle.
 
I'm not saying we need to be 100% Oregon spread. But just like Bama runs an offense based on their strengths we should do the same. We brought in what we thought was elite offensive talent in 08' from MNW & BTW(both from spread systems) & tried to conform them to a pro style. The only time JH looked comfortable was when he worked out the gun in up tempo situations. Maybe these players were "busts" cuz they didn't fit the system & the coaches didn't make an attempt to put them in a system to utilize their skill set. Look at how many Florida kids around the country are excelling in spread concept offenses(Denard,Geno &WV, Bridgewater, Watkins, etc, etc, etc)...it gets frustrating.
 
CanEs4life04 said:
Just IMO, but the reason Oregon hasn't won a MNC is not because of their style of offensive football but because they have been small and slow on defense.
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Oregon's offense while dynamic also stresses their defense immensely. When you work at that pace on offense it means your D is on the field a lot and doesn't get much rest between series. They were last in Time of Possession last year at 25:20 (120th). Not sure if that hinders their defensive recruiting but it could be a factor.
 
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