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Paul Johnson with a great suggestion

IHATETHISPLACE said:
USNAVYCANE said:
IHATETHISPLACE said:
USNAVYCANE said:
IHATETHISPLACE said:
They dont sign 38 anyway you can only sign 25 per class in the SEC now. You are allowed to back count so say you sign 17 1 year the next year you can sign 33 as long as 8 were EE'S.
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they do over sign in fact they over signed again this year
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Yes they did oversign but your 38 players commit was wrong. Teams with big budgets & fertile recruiting grounds would love an early signing period
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well its still pretty close when they could only sign 14 players they signed 26.....Yes and thet would be Miami
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no its not close under what Johnson just said Bama would be fine, right now they only have 85 scholarships and the rule 25 per class in the SEC
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Alabama wasn't very far from the line to begin with. The Crimson Tide only lost a dozen scholarship players from last year's unusually young BCS championship team, including three early departures for the NFL and a former walk-on (long snapper Carson Tinker) who was awarded a scholarship before last season, leaving them with at least 70 scholarship players scheduled to return in 2013 and a maximum of 14 available openings. Still, on signing day, Bama added almost twice that number -- including, yes, a two-star prospect from California, Cole Mazza, who is projected strictly as a long snapper. Few other schools had so few slots to fill, and the ones that did did not come close to overshooting the mark by such a distance: Relative to the competition, Saban and his staff effectively recruited as if scholarship limits do not exist.
 
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USNAVYCANE what does that have to do with the topic at hand? I said this would help the LSU Florida and Bama's of the world. I know how Saban recruits.
 
IHATETHISPLACE said:
USNAVYCANE what does that have to do with the topic at hand? I said this would help the LSU Florida and Bama's of the world. I know how Saban recruits.
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Because, there would be no more gray shirting which would do nothing but help other school, so the schools that oversign would no longer be able to
 
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IHATETHISPLACE said:
USNAVYCANE what does that have to do with the topic at hand? I said this would help the LSU Florida and Bama's of the world. I know how Saban recruits.
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I added the extra players to the 26 which is why I said 38. So I misspoke but the amount he oversigned is still the same so yes I was "close" in the amount that was over signed
 
USNAVYCANE said:
IHATETHISPLACE said:
USNAVYCANE what does that have to do with the topic at hand? I said this would help the LSU Florida and Bama's of the world. I know how Saban recruits.
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I added the extra players to the 26 which is why I said 38. So I misspoke but the amount he oversigned is still the same so yes I was "close" in the amount that was over signed
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none of what he said would stop Bama from oversigning they deal with the parameters he is talking about right now. What it would do is free them up to go after other players once their local kids had already signing the dotted line
 
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IHATETHISPLACE said:
USNAVYCANE said:
There would be no more "grayshirting" it would do nothing but help us
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practice rarely happens now since the SEC went to the 25 per class rule I think Bama grey shirted 1 player this year.
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not as much as before for other sec schools not named alabama because they still have over signed more then any other school the last 3 years. So Yet even after a concerted crackdown on "oversigning" by the SEC over the past three years, no coach in any league overshot the mark this year with such gusto.
 
IHATETHISPLACE said:
USNAVYCANE said:
IHATETHISPLACE said:
USNAVYCANE what does that have to do with the topic at hand? I said this would help the LSU Florida and Bama's of the world. I know how Saban recruits.
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I added the extra players to the 26 which is why I said 38. So I misspoke but the amount he oversigned is still the same so yes I was "close" in the amount that was over signed
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none of what he said would stop Bama from oversigning they deal with the parameters he is talking about right now. What it would do is free them up to go after other players once their local kids had already signing the dotted line
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Because they coulkdn't ask for a kid to grayshirt or kick rocks with out it counting against them.
 
USNAVYCANE said:
IHATETHISPLACE said:
USNAVYCANE said:
There would be no more "grayshirting" it would do nothing but help us
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practice rarely happens now since the SEC went to the 25 per class rule I think Bama grey shirted 1 player this year.
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not as much as before for other sec schools not named alabama because they still have over signed more then any other school the last 3 years. So Yet even after a concerted crackdown on "oversigning" by the SEC over the past three years, no coach in any league overshot the mark this year with such gusto.
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You are mixing grey shirting and oversigning I think. Bama is going to oversign then get rid of kids that are on thier roster. Now when they grey shirt kids they tell them before signing day and they dont sign LOI. Bradley Bozeman will not enroll to Bama until next January he is a 2013 commit. He did not sign a LOI.
 
An Early Signing Day AND I would also remove the word committed or commitment, you either are signed or unsigned.

This would fix a lot of BS.
 
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Consigliere said:
An Early Signing Day AND I would also remove the word committed or commitment, you either are signed or unsigned.

This would fix a lot of BS.
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The early signing day is a good idea but wont do much because you will have many players wait till after their season is over before they take their ov. The commitment part is just for fans what a commitment is is just a verbal, nothing signed, nothing set so it can be changed the problem is too many fans are emotional and forget about that unless it helps their team just remember that the recruits can and with every school and i mean every school they will change their mind
 
Commitment is a two-way negotiation that means hold my scholarship from the vantage point of the player and we'll hold your scholarship from the vantage point of the institution. As we see every year at programs across the country either side can break the negotiation or former agreement if opportunities open up or other situations arise that call for one or both parties to sever ties. Now it's how business is done. Paul wants to make that negotiation a binding contract that neither party can get out of without incurring a penalty. On the surface it seems benign, but I'm sure the coaches and players would find a way to game the system just as they do now.

Seems to me like what he wants to fix - waffling players that leave coaches in a quandary on NSD - represents a small fraction of the total number of recruits signed, I'm guessing less than 10%. His plan is a benefit for the marriage made in heaven, where both parties are 100% certain. Kids who are not certain would feel considerable pressure to NOT sign with a program until close to the end because they could not get out of it, which would mean - to my flawed way of thinking - that you would have more kids waiting to sign whereas they may have committed earlier under the current system because they knew that if something happened they could get out of it. If that's true then what does Coach Johnson's suggestion really fix? I'm guessing some would say that if Bryant and signed rather than just committed last year during his Junior Day he'd be a Cane, too which I would agree, but also contend that he might very well not have committed if that commitment meant, well, what must of us think a commitment means. And again we're left with the same problem.
 
I really think they should cancel "LIVE" commitment broadcasts and allow the schools to announce their commitments, whether early or not. Who cares if the kids want their moment on live TV. Their moment of getting a free ride scholarship to play a sport they love should be good enough.


The hat game needs to go and giving these kids face time needs to go as well. The media and the kids drive this circus tour.
 
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joglen15 said:
I really think they should cancel "LIVE" commitment broadcasts and allow the schools to announce their commitments, whether early or not. Who cares if the kids want their moment on live TV. Their moment of getting a free ride scholarship to play a sport they love should be good enough.


The hat game needs to go and giving these kids face time needs to go as well. The media and the kids drive this circus tour.
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That will never happen too much ratings for ESPN and for the NCAA the best thing that cn happen is coaches and scouts have many guys that they offer and pay hard attention to so they wont get caught up now it hurt us this year only because of numbers and players trolling so their hands were tied plus the NCAA bs
 
Johnson´s suggestion includes NO personal contact before the senior year. It would definitely make offers legit (if you have a LOI you can sign, you have an offer, if not, you don´t) which would help a lot of the kids. It would also let the schools know where the recruits stand. That would mean a lot less of the "Miami hasn´t offered me yet, and I´m nearly a senior" crap we have to put up with(see Wilson, Quincy), because even the OOS schools would only offer the can´t miss, 5* kids. Less "offers" just to get a foot in the door.

My original problem with the idea was that I thought it may just move the whole circus forward a year. But if schools are only allowed to write to a kid before day one of the senior season that would be prevented. I think it would force everyone to do a lot more evaluating before actually sending out the LOIs. Which would be an advantage for a school in, say, a huge recruiting hot bed, able to get a much better picture.
 
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