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Are you out on Mario

  • I was always out on Mario

    Votes: 20 10.4%

  • I was in on Mario and now out

    Votes: 11 5.7%

  • I was in on Mario and now completely unsure- but think we should stay the course

    Votes: 71 36.8%

  • I was and all in that he will turn it around

    Votes: 79 40.9%

  • I was in on Mario, now out, but if we get a top 10 class I am back in

    Votes: 12 6.2%
  • Total voters
    193
Angry Ibis said:
It’s not enough to move the needle and TVD likely isn’t playing in a meaningless bowl unless he “needs” to, so the bowl game will be hit or miss most likely…
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So basically 5 wins to 9 wins or the season is a bust?

I think 8 wins is tangible improvements based of off 2022. Anything more than that is gravy on top. Have to keep in mind that our program over the last 15ish years has been averaging 6-7 wins….

So going from 5 to 8 isn’t exactly Swiss cheese. I did the research before but don’t have time to do it again at this moment…however the avg tells us that we haven’t won 8 games on a regular basis…..only twice in recent memory due to Richt winning 9 and then winning 10 the next year I believe.
 
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CaneThang2020 said:
I’m not going to put that on the insiders…if anything these guys are giving us what is given to them, be it by players/staff/handlers etc. Can’t shoot the messenger is the way I see it. Inday and a few other posters said it from the jump that in so many ways the staff didn’t truly understand how things work down here if they thought they could still recruit at a high level after the abysmal 2022 season we had. I have largely agreed with that notion because I’ve never struggled watching UM games until last year….I still watched them but it hurt…really bad. Outside of MTSU, the Pitt game hurt the most personally because we had an opportunity to at least earn a bowl berth and finish with some positive momentum in what was otherwise a complete crap show….and our kids didn’t even show up.

And the 2024 kids and their parents/coaches all watched this go down…2024 recruiting was going to be a battle the moment the 2022 season ended. Heck I’m surprised we got the 2023 kids to sign, I think we should all be grateful that Mario held that class together.
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I think they need to dig a little deeper and not take what the coaches (sources) say as actual truth. Be more cynical.
 
CaneThang2020 said:
So basically 5 wins to 9 wins or the season is a bust?

I think 8 wins is tangible improvements based of off 2022. Anything more than that is gravy on top. Have to keep in mind that our program over the last 15ish years has been averaging 6-7 wins….

So going from 5 to 8 isn’t exactly Swiss cheese. I did the research before but don’t have time to do it again at this moment…however the avg tells us that we haven’t won 8 games on a regular basis…..only twice in recent memory due to Richt winning 9 and then winning 10 the next year I believe.
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I understand and said the same thing in the past… now I’m here to remind everyone it’s never been OK before and they’ve changed their tune for Mario… if Lane was hired and went 5-7 the MariBro crew would be back to “I knew everything I needed to know during the ____game”, burn it down, and if you don’t you hate Miami

But now, it’s just be patient guys…
 
Angry Ibis said:
I understand and said the same thing in the past… now I’m here to remind everyone it’s never been OK before and they’ve changed their tune for Mario… if Lane was hired and went 5-7 the MariBro crew would be back to “I knew everything I needed to know during the ____game”, burn it down, and if you don’t you hate Miami

But now, it’s just be patient guys…
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See I’m one of the guys that wasn’t necessarily pro Mario or Pro Lane….I thought both could push Miami football back to the upper echelons. I did feel that Lane was a short term jolt to the arm (3years and he’d be on to the next but left UM much better than how he found us), whereas Mario was a long term fixture. What I didn’t account for was having to endure a 5-7 campaign which included a blowout loss to FSU at home, MTSU blowing us out at home, and also losing to Duke…at home.

At this point I know we have Mario and will have Mario for at least the next 3 seasons…so may as well preach patience and support him. He did win from where he came from and has turned around two programs in FIU and Oregon…so although the 5-7 hurt his rep, it was only his 1st year and sometimes you have to break it down to build it back up….let’s hope that’s what this is
 
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CaneThang2020 said:
So basically 5 wins to 9 wins or the season is a bust?

I think 8 wins is tangible improvements based of off 2022. Anything more than that is gravy on top. Have to keep in mind that our program over the last 15ish years has been averaging 6-7 wins….

So going from 5 to 8 isn’t exactly Swiss cheese. I did the research before but don’t have time to do it again at this moment…however the avg tells us that we haven’t won 8 games on a regular basis…..only twice in recent memory due to Richt winning 9 and then winning 10 the next year I believe.
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Not only that, but if it werent for 2 bad injuries to the Herndon and Ahmon, we would have beaten Clemson in the ACC Ship
 
423Hurricane said:
The powers that be at Miami FINALLY decide to invest millions of dollars in the football program. Who do you think they’re going to trust with that process? Lane Kiffen or Mario Cristobal?

Year 1 of the Mario era was a disaster. He’s dug himself a deeper hole that’s going to take even more work to climb out of. He’s hired new coordinators and flipped the roster. Positive results on the field this year are critical to gain momentum in recruiting and show signs of progress in HIS program.
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How quickly people forget that Lane lost 5 of his last 6 last year as well, but apparently he is our savior.....
 
We are stuck with Mario for at minimum 7 years is my guess.

Only thing to do is pray he can get enough talent to help strengthen his bad coaching.
 
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I’ll be honest I didn’t see this is as a rebuild but after watching the depth last year it was clear we had major issues.

As far as this year where I am going to have issues is if he doesn’t allow Dawson to run his scheme. Mario needs let the coordinators cook and focus on game management and recruiting.
 
Zombie-Cane said:
How quickly people forget that Lane lost 5 of his last 6 last year as well, but apparently he is our savior.....
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I’ve said before that if we win the Pitt game and win our bowl game the narrative and energy of our program is much better. We laid some major eggs last year, including the Pitt game. Guys played like they were ready for the season to be over.

You can’t recruit against that narrative. Guys literally quit. Idk what happened with Ole Miss, although I do recall them stumbling at the end so all in all, you’re right, there was a 1 win difference between both programs (I believe they lost to TX Tech in the bowl game).

We played with 2 hands behind our backs last year, TVD hurt and Mario/Gattis offensive system.

Mario’s saving grace might actually be the 2022 season he endured and the fallout of it. It made him reevaluate his offensive philosophy
 
Angry Ibis said:
And we’d roast him for that, not make excuses… which is the point many are questioning…
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I think Mario has been roasted to no end. This sounds more like guys are ready to transition to the 2023 season and move to support the program mode
 
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Zombie-Cane said:
How quickly people forget that Lane lost 5 of his last 6 last year as well, but apparently he is our savior.....
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His 5 of 6 were to
10-4 LSU
11-2 Bama
7-6 Arkansas (road game)
9-4 Miss St (rivalry game 2 pt loss)
8-5 Texas Tech (bowl game)

All P5 teams over .500, and really the only egregious loss is the Arkansas game. And even that has a mitigating circumstance if we are in the excuse making business like seems to be the case when it comes to Cristobal. Ole Miss was coming off a 6 pt loss to Bama (a phenomenal effort given the talent disparity ) and the team was mentally and physically exhausted. It's happened to a lot of teams after playing Bama.
 
Wario Cristobum said:
His 5 of 6 were to
10-4 LSU
11-2 Bama
7-6 Arkansas (road game)
9-4 Miss St (rivalry game 2 pt loss)
8-5 Texas Tech (bowl game)

All P5 teams over .500, and really the only egregious loss is the Arkansas game. And even that has a mitigating circumstance if we are in the excuse making business like seems to be the case when it comes to Cristobal. Ole Miss was coming off a 6 pt loss to Bama (a phenomenal effort given the talent disparity ) and the team was mentally and physically exhausted. It's happened to a lot of teams after playing Bama.
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Point is he went 8-5, losing 5 of 6, and was 1-3 against teams who finished in the top 25. I am simply pointing out how flawed it is to sit here and say he is the savior we needed and missed out on.
And close losses or not, no one cares. It is 8-5, not 8-5* with a close loss to Bama. Not one person remembers that.
 
CaneThang2020 said:
Agree with all except the August part. At this point, Mario has to win with what he has, which according to the recruiting websites is more than what’s at every other opponent on our schedule outside of Clemson and Texas A&M.

How we look in the fall will ultimately be what matters most. You build it up and they (recruits) will come.

Mario got that ‘23 class due to his success at Oregon and now he’s struggling because no one wants to hear about what happened at Oregon, they want to hear about what happened at Miami in 2022, hence most of our class being evals and few sure-fire Top 100/200 kids. It may not be what ppl want to hear but AT Miami, we have to win on the field to get the elite kids. Mario’s first year bump/honeymoon that @Rellyrell talks about is over and it’s time to win football games.
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You're absolutely right
 
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Dude said:
I never viewed Mario as being the right hire for the old way of doing things, which is to try and ball on a budget. For that, I wanted Lane Kiffin. But Miami assured us this was gonna be a huge investment, a total program rebuild, and for that I can understand the trust they have for Mario. That said, after the worst Miami season since Randy Shannon, I think their investment is going up in smoke, and in my opinion they need to double down on bags for recruits. It's the only way it works going forward.
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I was in on Mario + financial backing, but not Mario alone. Now I’m unsure if he has that same backing and I don’t think he survives without it. You bring in a straight recruiter as HC of a school sitting in the middle of a recruiting hotbed and you will have a target on your back. That’s what we’re seeing this year. He needs ammunition.. a respectable season and NIL$$ or he’s going to get eaten alive by the big boys
 
We have to let the coaches do what they do. RECRUIT AND COACH THEM UP. Like seriously guys. We just had the worst season I’ve seen in my life since probation. It wasn’t gonna be an easy fix and Mario found out the hard way last year. Albeit a lot of his doings with some miscalculated hires. He recognized that made the necessary changes. Added JT to the staff, switched his offensive philosophy and is moving forward. Whatever gift of gab he has. Will always work for him on the recruiting trail. He left a LOADED ROSTER AT OREGON. What makes some of us think he can’t do the same here. Which one of us coming out would have wanted to go to Oregon? They hit the jackpot a couple of times with coaches. Chip had them in the MNC game and Marion won a Rose Bowl along with 2 conference titles. Besides them we gotta go back to Joey Harrington and Akili Smith before him. They don’t have a track record of winning. Mario is laying a foundation/blueprint for what he wants the U. To look like going forward and he knows he needs TRENCH MONSTERS on both sides. Along with speed, speed and more speed.

I’m not a big fan of the term TRUST THE PROCESS. Yet this time I’m more inclined to watch it unfold. With more confidence than I was with the last few coaches.
 
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