N'Kosi Perry Re-commits

[bransuperpower]

Getting talent has never been the problem for Ritch, winning games has not been the problem either but winning the big games are. So I think we crown him when we win big

 

[I'm james Jackson brother]

Glad to see this. Now let's keep taking the recruits from our backyard. And rebuild our team with homegrown talent.


Go canes!

 

[INCaneFan]

I'm all for opinions, but those questioning his ability to play at this level don't know what they're looking at.

Those saying they saw something in Olsen but not this young man again don't know what they're looking at.

I'd also say I'll be completely shocked if Allison ever plays an entire season here. Out of all the QB's we have on scholarship or intend to play here, he's the one with the most question marks.

Only reason you saying this is because the stats he has had but fail to mention his injuries, the run first offense they have at his school as well as not throwing to a lot of d1 talent. Allison is a stud and his film shows it, has arguably the best film of any qb Miami has on the roster.... Kid is still growing 6'6 and will put on good weight. Also has a very live arm

I went on record prior to knowing his stats, even asking what they were for weeks before anyone could actually produce them, not understanding how he had such limited highlights.

Comparing the two, highlights alone, I'd take Perry long before Allison for a multitude of reasons. When he decommited, a bunch of posters said how he didn't fit this system and we need a pure drop back passer. That he could see the writing on the wall and other such nonsense. At that time, I said people didn't know what they were looking at and during this staff's first days of recruiting they wouldn't waste their time visiting with him if he wasn't a huge priority as they were scrambling to fill this last class. Lots of egg on faces around here.

Jack even in his all-star game looked incredibly shaky. He had two INT's at this level and one was saved by the spectacular catch made by another of our recruits. I can only go by what my eyes and head tell me. He made little difference at the high school level and that's not something I expect from a high school QB. There are exceptions to the rule, but they're few and far between. I hope it works out for him as then it'd work out for me, but I won't hold my breath and we've got a guy who will be waiting in the wings to snatch the job out from under him.

Edit: Best film of anyone on the roster? No offense, but you're one of the people I was talking about when I said they don't know what they're looking at.

 

[MiamiJoe]

I have to agree with InCane as Allison looked very raw at the All Star game. I will wait and see what coaching does for him at Miami but actually think as far as mechanics go Shireffs is superior to Allison and might be a diamond in the rough. Rosier is still ignored by most by I have always been a supporter of his and his performance at Duke made me feel vindicated as many here chastised me when I said he was capable.

 

[canes614]

Is MR going to try and find the next Ward?

Maybe....I think a redshirt year would benefit him tremendously. One things for sure..... as of now the post Kaaya QB situation looks bright!

 

[brock]

I'm all for opinions, but those questioning his ability to play at this level don't know what they're looking at.

Those saying they saw something in Olsen but not this young man again don't know what they're looking at.

I'd also say I'll be completely shocked if Allison ever plays an entire season here. Out of all the QB's we have on scholarship or intend to play here, he's the one with the most question marks.

Only reason you saying this is because the stats he has had but fail to mention his injuries, the run first offense they have at his school as well as not throwing to a lot of d1 talent. Allison is a stud and his film shows it, has arguably the best film of any qb Miami has on the roster.... Kid is still growing 6'6 and will put on good weight. Also has a very live arm

I went on record prior to knowing his stats, even asking what they were for weeks before anyone could actually produce them, not understanding how he had such limited highlights.

Comparing the two, highlights alone, I'd take Perry long before Allison for a multitude of reasons. When he decommited, a bunch of posters said how he didn't fit this system and we need a pure drop back passer. That he could see the writing on the wall and other such nonsense. At that time, I said people didn't know what they were looking at and during this staff's first days of recruiting they wouldn't waste their time visiting with him if he wasn't a huge priority as they were scrambling to fill this last class. Lots of egg on faces around here.

Jack even in his all-star game looked incredibly shaky. He had two INT's at this level and one was saved by the spectacular catch made by another of our recruits. I can only go by what my eyes and head tell me. He made little difference at the high school level and that's not something I expect from a high school QB. There are exceptions to the rule, but they're few and far between. I hope it works out for him as then it'd work out for me, but I won't hold my breath and we've got a guy who will be waiting in the wings to snatch the job out from under him.

Edit: Best film of anyone on the roster? No offense, but you're one of the people I was talking about when I said they don't know what they're looking at.

First off I said arguably has the best film of any QB on the roster. Secondly I'm very high on Kosi perry and believe he can be great as well but I'm also high on jack Allison too. Now IMO You don't know sh*t about this, out of all the qbs in the all star game which included Allison, Henry, Haskins, Eason, Patterson, Frank's and many others the only qbs that had better games than him were Patterson and Henry... Using stats as your only measure to determine if a kid is good or not is ludicrous and it lets me know you don't actually watch film. Again watch ALLISON's film and see his arm strength and accuracy jump off the screen . He can make all of the throws. Allison is a talented qb who has a lot of tools to be sucessful in college

 

[INCaneFan]

I have to agree with InCane as Allison looked very raw at the All Star game. I will wait and see what coaching does for him at Miami but actually think as far as mechanics go Shireffs is superior to Allison and might be a diamond in the rough. Rosier is still ignored by most by I have always been a supporter of his and his performance at Duke made me feel vindicated as many here chastised me when I said he was capable.

I want to clarify one thing, I don't want to be taken as I don't like Jack or anything of the such. I just will be pleasantly surprised if he does anything here. Since this is a recruiting board, we all talk about what we see and it's no slight to any of the young men.

Rosier, I thought he was roster filler when we got him. He showed he has game and whether he can build upon that or not, we'll see. I was actually shocked at how well he did all things considered, but what fun would sport be if you always knew how it was going to go?

Good eye on him, I didn't see it. The funny thing about that is how I've been clamoring for a dual-threat type for a long time and while he possesses that ability, he looked darn good in the pocket. That's what I want, pocket first, but can move and throw if needed with the ability to forego the pass to get some yards with your feet. That's what I see in Perry, can get you either way, but looks to throw first.

 

[The Svengali]

I've gone on record and have said Sheriffs will be the guy to replace Kaaya, and not Allison. Sheriffs looks like the better player - better mechanics, throws a better ball, great size, and was a pleasant surprise last year.

I also believe Allison will never start at Miami, but you never know what Richt can do with him. I am not "hating" on Allison, but as of now, I just don't see it. Seems very, very raw.

I think we'll get a year or so of Rosier (maybe), and then we'll hand the keys to Sheriffs....then Perry

 

[cane since birth]

Allison has all the tools to be elite, he is extremely raw and has a horrible throwing motion but i dont see why some of yall say he wont start here, all of his flaws are mechanics which can be worked with, yall just trying to stir sh¡t lol

 

[INCaneFan]

I'm all for opinions, but those questioning his ability to play at this level don't know what they're looking at.

Those saying they saw something in Olsen but not this young man again don't know what they're looking at.

I'd also say I'll be completely shocked if Allison ever plays an entire season here. Out of all the QB's we have on scholarship or intend to play here, he's the one with the most question marks.

Only reason you saying this is because the stats he has had but fail to mention his injuries, the run first offense they have at his school as well as not throwing to a lot of d1 talent. Allison is a stud and his film shows it, has arguably the best film of any qb Miami has on the roster.... Kid is still growing 6'6 and will put on good weight. Also has a very live arm

I went on record prior to knowing his stats, even asking what they were for weeks before anyone could actually produce them, not understanding how he had such limited highlights.

Comparing the two, highlights alone, I'd take Perry long before Allison for a multitude of reasons. When he decommited, a bunch of posters said how he didn't fit this system and we need a pure drop back passer. That he could see the writing on the wall and other such nonsense. At that time, I said people didn't know what they were looking at and during this staff's first days of recruiting they wouldn't waste their time visiting with him if he wasn't a huge priority as they were scrambling to fill this last class. Lots of egg on faces around here.

Jack even in his all-star game looked incredibly shaky. He had two INT's at this level and one was saved by the spectacular catch made by another of our recruits. I can only go by what my eyes and head tell me. He made little difference at the high school level and that's not something I expect from a high school QB. There are exceptions to the rule, but they're few and far between. I hope it works out for him as then it'd work out for me, but I won't hold my breath and we've got a guy who will be waiting in the wings to snatch the job out from under him.

Edit: Best film of anyone on the roster? No offense, but you're one of the people I was talking about when I said they don't know what they're looking at.

First off I said arguably has the best film of any QB on the roster. Secondly I'm very high on Kosi perry and believe he can be great as well but I'm also high on jack Allison too. Now IMO You don't know sh*t about this, out of all the qbs in the all star game which included Allison, Henry, Haskins, Eason, Patterson, Frank's and many others the only qbs that had better games than him were Patterson and Henry... Using stats as your only measure to determine if a kid is good or not is ludicrous and it lets me know you don't actually watch film. Again watch ALLISON's film and see his arm strength and accuracy jump off the screen . He can make all of the throws. Allison is a talented qb who has a lot of tools to be sucessful in college

Show me a highlight tape of a QB who doesn't display accuracy and I'll buy you a week in the Caribbean.

Arm strength is vastly overrated, but feel free to run with it. Not too many kids have the rifle Wright did, where did that get him? Morris, same thing and he did only marginally better in some regards.

Actually his film doesn't show anywhere near what you'd claim it does. I'll give you some examples. Here's some of his senior year play by play from the beginning.

2015 Mid-Season Senior - Jack Allison highlights - Hudl

1st play: He throws into double coverage, not a good idea at this level. He does make a long throw, but it's underthrown, the WR bails him out by cutting the route short. Better play by the WR than QB.

2nd Play: Routine throw that any high school QB could put on their tape.

3rd Play: Same as second.

4th Play: He throws behind the wide receiver again. The wide receiver adjusted well making the play more so than the QB.

5th play: Run

6th play: Very nice play, perfect placement, and his best highlight so far.

7th play: Run

8th play: Routine throw, same as 2nd and 3rd Play.

9th play: Wide receiver is as open as it gets, very poorly thrown ball, and he can thank his wide receiver who saved his butt for the touchdown.

I could go on and on. The one thing his film shows is that his wideouts are nowhere as bad as people would have you believe when people question Jack's lack of production. The better play in many of his highlights was made by his wide receiver in a lot of his plays. That tells me he had something to work with, even if they weren't consistent at it. He's not consistent with his throws, that much is obvious, nor is his accuracy a selling point. Not when you have guys getting open and still accuracy is a question mark. Part of that could be routes aren't consistent, but only game film would answer some of this conclusively.

So when I see erratic play, I'll consider stats and factor that in. Stats aren't everything, but they do provide some insight. Add all of those things up, I've got major question marks.

As for All-Star or camp performances, I always take them with a grain of salt....in particular at QB. There's one exception, when you see some of the same things you already saw (see above) prior to the performance once again rear it's ugly head. Then you've got even more question marks.

He's got tools, as in a good arm. Besides that he's got a long way to go before I'd comfortably say he's going to be a stud. I don't know him personally, understand his work ethic or knowledge of the game, the coaches do. They wanted Eason, that much was obvious, but they came in late and most QB's are all but on campus at that point. Would they have had other targets, we'll never know, but Jack is who we got and we'll see what happens.

 

[cane since birth]

I've gone on record and have said Sheriffs will be the guy to replace Kaaya, and not Allison. Sheriffs looks like the better player - better mechanics, throws a better ball, great size, and was a pleasant surprise last year.

I also believe Allison will never start at Miami, but you never know what Richt can do with him. I am not "hating" on Allison, but as of now, I just don't see it. Seems very, very raw.

I think we'll get a year or so of Rosier (maybe), and then we'll hand the keys to Sheriffs....then Perry

No

 

[INCaneFan]

Allison has all the tools to be elite, he is extremely raw and has a horrible throwing motion but i dont see why some of yall say he wont start here, all of his flaws are mechanics which can be worked with, yall just trying to stir sh¡t lol

People always say you can fix this or that flaw / mechanic. More often times than not, it doesn't happen.

I'm not saying he's done before he ever gets here, but this is a place to discuss incoming players. A lot will have to happen for him to ever take the starting role and it's my opinion that others will replace or be ahead of him.

I've been wrong, it'll happen again, maybe with Jack. Just on paper, right now, today, I see better options and am trying to politely explain my thoughts.

 

[cane since birth]

Allison has all the tools to be elite, he is extremely raw and has a horrible throwing motion but i dont see why some of yall say he wont start here, all of his flaws are mechanics which can be worked with, yall just trying to stir sh¡t lol

People always say you can fix this or that flaw / mechanic. More often times than not, it doesn't happen.

I'm not saying he's done before he ever gets here, but this is a place to discuss incoming players. A lot will have to happen for him to ever take the starting role and it's my opinion that others will replace or be ahead of him.

I've been wrong, it'll happen again, maybe with Jack. Just on paper, right now, today, I see better options and am trying to politely explain my thoughts.

Sounds like you are saying hes done before you even see him play, you are basing your criticism on his all star game which a lot of good QBs have had bad ones, and his high school stats which again dont mean jack, i have seen his team they were horrible, his last year they went more run happy, i see the potential in him, for all of his mechanical flaws he still made great throws

 

[cane since birth]

Chickillo played better than clowney in their all star game is he better than him? Lol yall take them games seriously

 

[INCaneFan]

Uh, maybe you missed my long post above?

To say high school stats don't mean Jack, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Shoot, stats don't matter at any level, why not just go there?

There are always exceptions to most rules,but the averages greatly favor production at one level translating to the next rather than the opposite statement.

 

[cane since birth]

Uh, maybe you missed my long post above?

To say high school stats don't mean Jack, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Shoot, stats don't matter at any level, why not just go there?

There are always exceptions to most rules,but the averages greatly favor production at one level translating to the next rather than the opposite statement.

There have been plenty of elite kids who numbers in high school are meh but are ballers, and yea i read your post all you talked about was the all star game and his stats, when you dont know that his team went run heavy his last couple of years, lets not forget the kid was playing hurt too, so you are basing your points on things you dont know

 

[252cane]

I have to agree with InCane as Allison looked very raw at the All Star game. I will wait and see what coaching does for him at Miami but actually think as far as mechanics go Shireffs is superior to Allison and might be a diamond in the rough. Rosier is still ignored by most by I have always been a supporter of his and his performance at Duke made me feel vindicated as many here chastised me when I said he was capable.

Go watch that duke game again. Rosier has work to do as a passer.

 

[252cane]

Where is all this sheriffs hype coming from? Allison is raw and needs work on his mechanics but he will have 2 years to work on it. Rosier is what he is and that's a solid back up.

 

[252cane]

Uh, maybe you missed my long post above?

To say high school stats don't mean Jack, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Shoot, stats don't matter at any level, why not just go there?

There are always exceptions to most rules,but the averages greatly favor production at one level translating to the next rather than the opposite statement.

Sam bruce stats were not good I guess he can't play either, dallas crawford had 10ints his senior year i guess he should have been a all american. High school stats don't mean very much.

 

[INCaneFan]

Uh, maybe you missed my long post above?

To say high school stats don't mean Jack, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Shoot, stats don't matter at any level, why not just go there?

There are always exceptions to most rules,but the averages greatly favor production at one level translating to the next rather than the opposite statement.

There have been plenty of elite kids who numbers in high school are meh but are ballers, and yea i read your post all you talked about was the all star game and his stats, when you dont know that his team went run heavy his last couple of years, lets not forget the kid was playing hurt too, so you are basing your points on things you dont know

There are always exceptions to the rule, but there are a ****load more who produced at the previous levels making plays at their current level than those who didn't. So what's your point? Nobody said he couldn't be an exception to the rule.

Film that shows multiple flaws, poor stats, and questionable all-star game camp performances....I've covered them all. They all go hand in hand to what I've said all along, I'll be surprised if he beats out others guys we have in the fold.

You're not the first person to say his team ran a lot. That begs the question of why his coaches did that if you have what some are trying to sell as an elite signal caller at your disposal. That goes against conventional and very surface level wisdom.

Why would you focus on the run with a QB who is supposedly good? That makes no sense unless your running game is elite as well and they certainly weren't.

Football generally uses the run to set up the pass. Considering such, his job as a passer should be that much easier. The defense expects run, puts more men in the box, and now your passing game opens up. Even if we go by that, he should have a better TD to INT ratio as well as a higher completion percentage.

Oh, he was injured. Okay, we'll go there then since nothing else makes sense. What were his injuries and how many games did he miss? That can certainly hurt, no pun intended, but he was deemed ready to play. Maybe he wasn't one hundred percent, but again....I'll I'm hearing is is excuses and there's nothing I've seen with my two eyes suggesting he's anything but raw with a lot of question marks. If it's out there and I haven't seen it, show it to me, explain it.

Coaches were just dumb and he was misused. That's a far more believable thing than anything, but he is in charge when he drops back, what happens after that is on him.