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Wilder ran with a sprained ankle
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Wilder ran with a sprained ankle
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Why not scratch the time? He has nothing to gain by using it.
His film and Coach Smith that coached Spence at the West say that he does. I think he will be wearing #1 this year so I hope it wasn't just the jersey number that made him resemble Spence, lol!!!
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Did he sprain it before or after the RB vs LB one on one's?
He came out and competed while injured which I'm sure he impressed the people that mattered. Meanwhile we've got dozens of threads arguing whether people are 5'9" or 5"10".
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YOU BEAT ME TO IT.....
I told yall about lineman with DUCK FEET....(Herbert)....He's in great shape....but Donaldosn a guy about 20 pds overeight numbers are better...and his 350 pd teammate Slaton ran a better 40 time
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Scott times shows me what i thought.....
Wilder's size also showed me what i thought....why i had a few others rated above him @ LB...though i love CC Kids....
i told you guys Houston isnt small at all...**** near 6'2 230 right now as a young junior..he put up good times...Hes a take....I got him over Wilder...Houston has played OLB..but could flip to the middle as well.
* guys that caught my attention
Carmoni Green wr Miami Central (hes been doing guys in one on ones and his numbers were pretty solid) 6'0 -182pds 4.6 40.
David Reese Ft Pierce Listed as a DB..but at 6'2 211 could be a LB recruit
Rashad Colson out of Carol City 6'5 277 he played dt at HML...maybe we need to see his worth at OT...Kid ran a 5.25 which is pretty solid.
The Carol City RB class: Camron Davis, Nayquan Wright both had good numbers as youngsters. Cam Davis ran a 4.5. @ 190pds and is a jr
Wilder's size also showed me what i thought....why i had a few others rated above him @ LB...though i love CC Kids....
i told you guys Houston isnt small at all...**** near 6'2 230 right now as a young junior..he put up good times...Hes a take....I got him over Wilder...Houston has played OLB..but could flip to the middle as well.
* guys that caught my attention
Carmoni Green wr Miami Central (hes been doing guys in one on ones and his numbers were pretty solid) 6'0 -182pds 4.6 40.
David Reese Ft Pierce Listed as a DB..but at 6'2 211 could be a LB recruit
Rashad Colson out of Carol City 6'5 277 he played dt at HML...maybe we need to see his worth at OT...Kid ran a 5.25 which is pretty solid.
The Carol City RB class: Camron Davis, Nayquan Wright both had good numbers as youngsters. Cam Davis ran a 4.5. @ 190pds and is a jr
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If we take two, it has to be Miller and Steed or Steed and Houston or Houston and Miller.
Why scratch it most kids understand that coaches understand how inconsistent these camp testing numbers are and don't care. That's why a kid like Derrick Henry went from running a 4.45 in HS when he did his sparq testing to running a 4.54 at the NFL combine after 3 years of elite strength and speed training. Also unless they changed it this year the forty was hand start and laser end so it still allowed for lots of human error.
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Exactly, plus add the fact that some kids take off upright instead of shooting straight out it's easy to run a 5.0 when that happens. He shoulda scratched it like the rest of those high profile kids on the list. I don't see anyone criticizing Juedy or others for possibly scratching their times. The 4.65 on Juedys profile was already there. no doubt he has good speed, but there's a reason why he doesn't have a 40 time from this years event. Obviously, Scott didn't know how to scratch it or didn't care about it as much as the rest.
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I hope we take Cam Davis and Townsend for our RBs in the 2018 class, We should offer and build a relationship with both asap, from an evaluation standpoint thus far that is a no brainier, Andrew Cunningham from Florida is also on the rise in that class as well, really big kid that can move
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I was at the event, I periscoped for a while as well. I have a long thread coming up either tonight or in the morning. Been very busy this week.
I was talking with [MENTION=2]DMoney[/MENTION] about the testing today.
Wilder ran a 4.67 electric forty last year at this same event. I think he either had a bad run or he had a sprained ankle as mentioned above.
As for his weight, he slimmed down for track season. He was high 190s to low 200 range before track.
The more impressive thing with Wilder IMO was how he improved his shuttle BIG TIME, compared to last year at The Opening. Last year he clocked 4.91 in the shuttle, this year? 4.43 in the shuttle.
You have to take into account some of these guys are not even taught proper technique for these drills, and some don't event train for it.
People are scrutinizing these numbers just a little too much IMO. Ventrell Miller ran a 4.82 forty and a 4.92 in the shuttle a few weekends ago. Does he play like that? **** no, he plays faster and is a lot more agile than those times would suggest.
Zach McCloud ran a 4.83 at same event last year. You tell me when you watch him if he looks slow? **** no again.
Steed I can confidently say if he had more time to train for this event. Would have had the highest score for LBs(he was only a point off, after months of no action). He's still not even in top football shape yet and scored a 102. He had a great performance, both testing and drills. Proud of you and your son [MENTION=10316]waynejr31[/MENTION]
Al Blades Jr. shuttle is elite for a DB. Had 4.16 last year. 3.95 this year in the shuttle
As for touching into the discussion of height.
I mentioned to Dmoney since Monday morning that they measured Waynmon Steed wrong. (He was the best LB and he deserved the MVP he won, the videos don't show everything or every rep) Wayne has measured 6'0" at literally every combine. Measured just over 6'0" at this same event last year, so someone made a mistake. He is not 5'11", I'm 5'11" and he's a slight bit taller than me. Wayne a few weeks ago measured 6'0" and a quarter at the army combine and he also measured just over 6'0" at rivals recently as well.
Kemore Gamble was measured wrong as well. He is not 6'4", more like 6'2" pushing it 6'3". As for the shuttle time, impressive but that can be misleading as well. Rodney Scott was a lot more shifty and agile than he was, but both did very well on Sunday regardless.
Robert Hicks for example. The 2018 Booker T Lb I've mentioned many times. He measured 6'0", I really don't see how when he was just slightly shorter than Vandarius Cowan who measured 6'4" at the event. Hicks own cousin, Al Blades Jr. measured in at 6'0" and Hicks is a few inches taller. Another thing I would mention, Hicks timed a 5.12 in the forty with a 4.37 shuttle. I can personally vouch that he is not that slow or even slow at all.
CJ Henderson measured in taller than I expected at 6'1". At the same token, Wilder was walking past him at the end of the event and Wilder was noticeably taller. There is no way Wilder is 6'1", at bare minimum he's 6'2", he wasn't much shorter than Cowan who measured 6'4".
Reason why I also say to take these times with a bit of grain of salt. A few examples.
CJ Henderson clocked 4.35 and 4.38 in the forty. How is it Chauncy Smart clocked a 4.48 but won a foot race between him, CJ and Townsend with CJ in second place? I saw it with my own eyes.
Mike Harley runs a 10.6 in the 100 meter. He clocked a 4.52, there was some WRs and other guys who clocked faster in the forty, but he easily looked the fastest and most shifty of any at WR(best WR at the event on Sunday)
Shaun Shivers from 2018 runs a 10.5 in the 100 meter now. He clocked a 4.62. No other RB was faster than this dude (Sam Bruce first cousin)
James Cook from 2019 clocked a 4.74 in the forty. I can definitely tell you that he's faster than Waynmon Steed who clocked the same time.
Yes Rodney Scott forty was alarming but I can tell you from watching them play, he didn't look slow at all. He wasn't fast like Harley or Smart but he was not slow either.
Just for measuring example. Scott old teammate Freddie Pinder ran a 4.76 at this event last year. Scott is faster than Pinder. (I've seen both in person numerous times). I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.
Kenny McIntosh from 2019 clocked a 5.02 forty, I can tell you that's bs. He is not that slow at all. He's not a blazer but he's not slow either.
Daniel Wright measured in at 6'0" 168 and he ran a 4.71 in the forty. I've seen him in person at a game and the second time was at the event Sunday, he looks bigger than that and plays faster than that time.
Diego F'agot clocked 4.92 in the forty. He definitely does not play that slow and I can say that because I watched him out there. He moves well for a kid his size.
My point is, don't read too much into these things. It's not as accurate as you may think. The vertical and powerball you can't get around but some of these times are a little misleading. Another example, steed and wilder were both faster and more agile than Cowan was. Cowan did well but Steed and Wilder stood out to me when it mattered for LB drills. I saw more than what was shown in videos, that's just sample taste. James Houston was up and down but has potential. Same for Diego F'agot, F'agot needs to adjust to this level of competition. Brandon James showed he belonged. Dunning looked decent but definitely put on too much mass IMO. Donovan Georges & Robert Hicks from 2018 worked with the LBs too, they looked good there. David Reese from 2018 did well too.
Sam Bruce clocked a mid 4.7 at The Opening finals last year in one testing, he ended up clocking 4.54 on the next run.
I can tell you from personal experience, seeing these kids live. Some of the testing can be misleading and not show the whole story.
I was talking with [MENTION=2]DMoney[/MENTION] about the testing today.
Wilder ran a 4.67 electric forty last year at this same event. I think he either had a bad run or he had a sprained ankle as mentioned above.
As for his weight, he slimmed down for track season. He was high 190s to low 200 range before track.
The more impressive thing with Wilder IMO was how he improved his shuttle BIG TIME, compared to last year at The Opening. Last year he clocked 4.91 in the shuttle, this year? 4.43 in the shuttle.
You have to take into account some of these guys are not even taught proper technique for these drills, and some don't event train for it.
People are scrutinizing these numbers just a little too much IMO. Ventrell Miller ran a 4.82 forty and a 4.92 in the shuttle a few weekends ago. Does he play like that? **** no, he plays faster and is a lot more agile than those times would suggest.
Zach McCloud ran a 4.83 at same event last year. You tell me when you watch him if he looks slow? **** no again.
Steed I can confidently say if he had more time to train for this event. Would have had the highest score for LBs(he was only a point off, after months of no action). He's still not even in top football shape yet and scored a 102. He had a great performance, both testing and drills. Proud of you and your son [MENTION=10316]waynejr31[/MENTION]
Al Blades Jr. shuttle is elite for a DB. Had 4.16 last year. 3.95 this year in the shuttle
As for touching into the discussion of height.
I mentioned to Dmoney since Monday morning that they measured Waynmon Steed wrong. (He was the best LB and he deserved the MVP he won, the videos don't show everything or every rep) Wayne has measured 6'0" at literally every combine. Measured just over 6'0" at this same event last year, so someone made a mistake. He is not 5'11", I'm 5'11" and he's a slight bit taller than me. Wayne a few weeks ago measured 6'0" and a quarter at the army combine and he also measured just over 6'0" at rivals recently as well.
Kemore Gamble was measured wrong as well. He is not 6'4", more like 6'2" pushing it 6'3". As for the shuttle time, impressive but that can be misleading as well. Rodney Scott was a lot more shifty and agile than he was, but both did very well on Sunday regardless.
Robert Hicks for example. The 2018 Booker T Lb I've mentioned many times. He measured 6'0", I really don't see how when he was just slightly shorter than Vandarius Cowan who measured 6'4" at the event. Hicks own cousin, Al Blades Jr. measured in at 6'0" and Hicks is a few inches taller. Another thing I would mention, Hicks timed a 5.12 in the forty with a 4.37 shuttle. I can personally vouch that he is not that slow or even slow at all.
CJ Henderson measured in taller than I expected at 6'1". At the same token, Wilder was walking past him at the end of the event and Wilder was noticeably taller. There is no way Wilder is 6'1", at bare minimum he's 6'2", he wasn't much shorter than Cowan who measured 6'4".
Reason why I also say to take these times with a bit of grain of salt. A few examples.
CJ Henderson clocked 4.35 and 4.38 in the forty. How is it Chauncy Smart clocked a 4.48 but won a foot race between him, CJ and Townsend with CJ in second place? I saw it with my own eyes.
Mike Harley runs a 10.6 in the 100 meter. He clocked a 4.52, there was some WRs and other guys who clocked faster in the forty, but he easily looked the fastest and most shifty of any at WR(best WR at the event on Sunday)
Shaun Shivers from 2018 runs a 10.5 in the 100 meter now. He clocked a 4.62. No other RB was faster than this dude (Sam Bruce first cousin)
James Cook from 2019 clocked a 4.74 in the forty. I can definitely tell you that he's faster than Waynmon Steed who clocked the same time.
Yes Rodney Scott forty was alarming but I can tell you from watching them play, he didn't look slow at all. He wasn't fast like Harley or Smart but he was not slow either.
Just for measuring example. Scott old teammate Freddie Pinder ran a 4.76 at this event last year. Scott is faster than Pinder. (I've seen both in person numerous times). I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.
Kenny McIntosh from 2019 clocked a 5.02 forty, I can tell you that's bs. He is not that slow at all. He's not a blazer but he's not slow either.
Daniel Wright measured in at 6'0" 168 and he ran a 4.71 in the forty. I've seen him in person at a game and the second time was at the event Sunday, he looks bigger than that and plays faster than that time.
Diego F'agot clocked 4.92 in the forty. He definitely does not play that slow and I can say that because I watched him out there. He moves well for a kid his size.
My point is, don't read too much into these things. It's not as accurate as you may think. The vertical and powerball you can't get around but some of these times are a little misleading. Another example, steed and wilder were both faster and more agile than Cowan was. Cowan did well but Steed and Wilder stood out to me when it mattered for LB drills. I saw more than what was shown in videos, that's just sample taste. James Houston was up and down but has potential. Same for Diego F'agot, F'agot needs to adjust to this level of competition. Brandon James showed he belonged. Dunning looked decent but definitely put on too much mass IMO. Donovan Georges & Robert Hicks from 2018 worked with the LBs too, they looked good there. David Reese from 2018 did well too.
Sam Bruce clocked a mid 4.7 at The Opening finals last year in one testing, he ended up clocking 4.54 on the next run.
I can tell you from personal experience, seeing these kids live. Some of the testing can be misleading and not show the whole story.
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Hmmmm the good ole eye test. Never fails....
Steed's height has been adjusted and thank you Geo305 for the insight and evaluations. You and Kyle have stood behind my son since day one and it's good to see the seed bear fruit!!!
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Looks like the scratch and skip list is at the bottom of the page in AB order. As I've already mentioned in an earlier post it has several high profile players with no 40 time. Juedy, Grimes, Samuels, Henly,Gamble, Dunning ,Blades jr etc......
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Some fans dont know wtf there talking about lol. Like we cant question,an offer
Diego F'agot's performance? Is that his real name? Is this real life?
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