Nike Opening Regional Results (Doing The Numbers)

[Hurricane Warrior]

Would have expected Wilder to be faster and quicker at 189 lbs.

First Last POS Grad ST School HT WT 40Y SH PB VJ RATING
James Houston IV LB 17 FL American Heritage 6-1 226 4.81 4.53 43.0 32.4 103.56
Waynmon Steed LB 17 FL Miami Central 5-11 221 4.74 4.33 40.0 30.6 102.36
Diego ***ot LB 17 FL Calvary Christian (Fort Lauderdale) 6-3 231 4.92 4.60 41.0 32.3 97.62
VanDarius Cowan LB 17 FL Palm Beach Gardens 6-4 217 4.77 4.26 35.5 29.3 91.47
Brandon James LB 17 FL Southridge 6-2 194 4.57 4.66 36.5 29.7 84.63
Deandre Wilder LB 17 FL Carol City 6-1 189 4.81 4.43 36.0 29.0 78.99
Tyler Dunning LB 17 FL St. Thomas Aquinas (FL) 6-0 239

Wilder is the smallest of the bunch, there are safeties bigger than him... I love his highlights but that 4.81 40 and 29 BJ is not very impressive for a 189 LB. He is Grace's size with Harris' speed.... Some of these number really surprised me. Cowan seems to have the best physical tools of the bunch at 6'4"...

Robert Hicks DL 18 FL B.T. Washington (FL) 6-0 220 5.18 4.37 40.0 29.2 87.27
I see why he is not a priority right now. He frame is too small for DE and he is too slow to be LB...

 

[Hurricane Warrior]

Very smart move by Scott to commit before putting up those numbers and scaring every school away.

Wonder why he didn't scratch it... there was nothing impressive about his performance. Came in as a 6'2, 185 athletic guy with great hands who has an estimated 40 time of a slow 4.7... he leaves as a skinny 6'0" 166 lb guy who runs a 4.99 with a 29 inch vert... I'm really curious to see how he performs this upcoming season, he needs a monster season to justify his 4 star rating and an offer from WRU.

 

[waynejr31]

I hope he had a really bad day...
Rodney Scott WR 17 FL Southridge 6-0 166 4.99 4.52 34.0 29.0 63.87

Would take Kemore over him at WR based on this...
Kemore Gamble TE 17 FL Southridge 6-4 216 4.09 37.0 33.9

4 inches taller, 50 lbs heavier, much quicker, jumps higher, stronger... no 40 time but I can't imagine it been much worse than 4.99...

Yeah, and that would have been the best out of two 40's. Kemore also looked good in 1-on-1's and his short area quickness is very impressive at 4.09.

Waynmon Steed LB 17 FL Miami Central 5-11 221 4.74 4.33 40.0 30.6 102.36

[MENTION=10316]waynejr31[/MENTION] Serious question, how did Waynmon go from 6'1" 225 at the Army combines this year to 5'11" 221 at the opening? Did they measure him with his shoes on or include his hair? I don't get it since they are all supposed to be verified measurements... It always confused me when profiles of players vary so much from one site to another, I tried to get verified measurement from events and now even those vary from event to event.

I mean he measured in at 6'0 last year at the same event.

WayeJr31: Thanks my fellow Canes fans for the blessings.
Here are Waynmon's numbers from the Nike Camp today.
6'0" 198
40 yard laser 4.73 (I had him at a 4.55 hand time)
20 yard shuttle 4.38
Power ball 34
Vertical 30.5

I have no idea, I guess he shrunk. My son has not measured in at 5'11" since his freshman year. If you click on the NCSA profile link on the student sports results link next to his name, it has a picture of him being measured and he is clearly well above the 6'0" mark. Army and Rivals both had him above 6'0" this year so I'm not sure what the heck happened there honestly. I think there may have been some confusion because of his hair. They probably took an inch off because they couldn't get an accurate measurement.

 

[Hurricane Warrior]

I hope he had a really bad day...
Rodney Scott WR 17 FL Southridge 6-0 166 4.99 4.52 34.0 29.0 63.87

Would take Kemore over him at WR based on this...
Kemore Gamble TE 17 FL Southridge 6-4 216 4.09 37.0 33.9

4 inches taller, 50 lbs heavier, much quicker, jumps higher, stronger... no 40 time but I can't imagine it been much worse than 4.99...

Yeah, and that would have been the best out of two 40's. Kemore also looked good in 1-on-1's and his short area quickness is very impressive at 4.09.

Waynmon Steed LB 17 FL Miami Central 5-11 221 4.74 4.33 40.0 30.6 102.36

[MENTION=10316]waynejr31[/MENTION] Serious question, how did Waynmon go from 6'1" 225 at the Army combines this year to 5'11" 221 at the opening? Did they measure him with his shoes on or include his hair? I don't get it since they are all supposed to be verified measurements... It always confused me when profiles of players vary so much from one site to another, I tried to get verified measurement from events and now even those vary from event to event.

I mean he measured in at 6'0 last year at the same event.

WayeJr31: Thanks my fellow Canes fans for the blessings.
Here are Waynmon's numbers from the Nike Camp today.
6'0" 198
40 yard laser 4.73 (I had him at a 4.55 hand time)
20 yard shuttle 4.38
Power ball 34
Vertical 30.5

View attachment 35850

I have no idea, I guess he shrunk. My son has not measured in at 5'11" since his freshman year. If you click on the NCSA profile link on the student sports results link next to his name, it has a picture of him being measured and he is clearly well above the 6'0" mark. Army and Rivals both had him above 6'0" this year so I'm not sure what the heck happened there honestly. I think there may have been some confusion because of his hair. They probably took an inch off because they couldn't get an accurate measurement.

I believe you man, it just confuses the crap out me how they do these combines and measurement can vary so much. 18 year olds don't shrink over a couple of months... Typically profiles are over stated until the actual measurements come out but in his case his actual measurements were verified multiple times and then BAM he is under 6'0", he went from Jon Beason to Denzel Perryman overnight.

Here are the NFL Combine/Pro Day results for the LBs from LBU that made it to the league since 2004:
2015 Denzel Perryman 5'11 236 4.78 27 Reps 32.0 VJ 113 BJ
2015 Thurston Armbrister 6'2 241 4.67 20 Reps 33.5 VJ 116 BJ 4.44 SH
2012 Sean Spence 5'11 231 4.66 12 Reps 33.5 VJ 119 BJ 4.28 SH
2011 Colin McCarthy 6'1 238 4.59 23 Reps 36.5 VJ 119 BJ 4.20 SH
2010 Darryl Sharpton 5'11 236 4.81 24 Reps 31 VJ 121 BJ 4.42 SH
2008 Tavares Gooden 6'1 234 4.62 22 Reps 35.0 VJ 118 BJ
2007 Jon Beason 6'1 237 4.72 19 Reps 111 BJ
2006 Leon Williams 6'3 245 4.61 25 Reps 34.0 VJ 119 BJ 4.05 SH
2006 Roger McIntosh 6'2 237 4.63 18 Reps 41.5 VJ 119 BJ 4.20 SH
2004 D.J. Williams 6'1 250 4.54 38.0 VJ 119 BJ 4.05 SH
2004 Jonathan Vilma 6'1 233 4.61 23 Reps 37.0 VJ 121 BJ 4.20 SH

I look forward to see what your son puts up in 4 years from now.

 

[Zbrod95]

[MENTION=7463]Hurricane Warrior[/MENTION] do they go by hand times or laser at the last showcase

 

[FINCHLION]

I was impressed by Steed. He looked like he was carrying some extra weight at Rivals (normal coming off a shoulder injury), so he could be even quicker and faster if he leans up.

Was also impressed by Donaldson, Henderson (6'1, 4.35 in high school!) and Carmoni Green.

Scott's 40 time is alarming.

Dam!! a Scott 5.0 40?? WTF?? So much for Wilders 10.8 100 i dont believe that at all running a 4.8 40

That is why it was a shock to me that he was a take for us, now everybody see why, just think if he puts on more weight, that time may be 5 flat. Was not trying to criticize the kid when he committed, just seen this coming. Slaton AND Donaldson or this class will be a fail mark my words.

 

[waynejr31]

This was taken the same day by the same people that sponsor the event!!!

And yes I know he has cleats on but the spikes dig into the rubber turf giving up any benefits that could have possibly been gained by wearing them, lol.

 

[FINCHLION]

Very smart move by Scott to commit before putting up those numbers and scaring every school away.

Called it

 

[Rellyrell]

I still want Nick in this class....I hope the staff are still keeping in contact w/ him and he comes to the campus to reaffirm any doubts.

 

[Hurricane Warrior]

[MENTION=7463]Hurricane Warrior[/MENTION] do they go by hand times or laser at the last showcase

laser

 

[Hurricane Warrior]

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This was taken the same day by the same people that sponsor the event!!!

And yes I know he has cleats on but the spikes dig into the rubber turf giving up any benefits that could have possibly been gained by wearing them, lol.

Funny how they show him in the picture as 6'0" but list 5'11" on the official results...

 

[pimpcane1]

Something is not adding up. Scott is in ESPNJR 300 and GEO has him in the top 20 on the Broward/Dade 2017 player list. And everyone is saying he's not a take. What am i missing?

It's early in terms of ranking all these players on all of these sites. ESPN usually releases their final player rankings a month before signing day using all the available information they have collected at camps like this. I doubt Scott ends up a four star player or in the ESPN 300 by the time the final rankings are released.

 

[Zbrod95]

[MENTION=7463]Hurricane Warrior[/MENTION] do they go by hand times or laser at the last showcase

laser

ok, so I'm thinking that Scott's time was off because the laser malfunctioned, same thing happened at the combine...laser clocked Hargreaves running a 4.9 but hand times had him around 4.5 and it happened to other players too. So mayber he really doesn't run 4.99

 

[pimpcane1]

Has anyone here other than Geo seen him multiple times in person? Also can anyone explain why Bama and UF offered this kid? Maybe we need to see an entire game film against good competition? Or maybe he played the entire junior year with an injury? His soph tape looks completely different. Again, it must be a reason why Bama offered this kid. It's his quickness off the ball and high point catching ability in traffic. Imo

Just because Bama offered him doesn't mean it was commitable. I mean they offered Tyre Brady as well that doesn't mean they would ever let him be apart of their recruiting class.

 

[Cans4life]

I hope he had a really bad day...
Rodney Scott WR 17 FL Southridge 6-0 166 4.99 4.52 34.0 29.0 63.87

Would take Kemore over him at WR based on this...
Kemore Gamble TE 17 FL Southridge 6-4 216 4.09 37.0 33.9

4 inches taller, 50 lbs heavier, much quicker, jumps higher, stronger... no 40 time but I can't imagine it been much worse than 4.99...

Yeah, and that would have been the best out of two 40's. Kemore also looked good in 1-on-1's and his short area quickness is very impressive at 4.09.

Waynmon Steed LB 17 FL Miami Central 5-11 221 4.74 4.33 40.0 30.6 102.36

[MENTION=10316]waynejr31[/MENTION] Serious question, how did Waynmon go from 6'1" 225 at the Army combines this year to 5'11" 221 at the opening? Did they measure him with his shoes on or include his hair? I don't get it since they are all supposed to be verified measurements... It always confused me when profiles of players vary so much from one site to another, I tried to get verified measurement from events and now even those vary from event to event.

I mean he measured in at 6'0 last year at the same event.

WayeJr31: Thanks my fellow Canes fans for the blessings.
Here are Waynmon's numbers from the Nike Camp today.
6'0" 198
40 yard laser 4.73 (I had him at a 4.55 hand time)
20 yard shuttle 4.38
Power ball 34
Vertical 30.5

View attachment 35850

I have no idea, I guess he shrunk. My son has not measured in at 5'11" since his freshman year. If you click on the NCSA profile link on the student sports results link next to his name, it has a picture of him being measured and he is clearly well above the 6'0" mark. Army and Rivals both had him above 6'0" this year so I'm not sure what the heck happened there honestly. I think there may have been some confusion because of his hair. They probably took an inch off because they couldn't get an accurate measurement.

I believe you man, it just confuses the crap out me how they do these combines and measurement can vary so much. 18 year olds don't shrink over a couple of months... Typically profiles are over stated until the actual measurements come out but in his case his actual measurements were verified multiple times and then BAM he is under 6'0", he went from Jon Beason to Denzel Perryman overnight.

Here are the NFL Combine/Pro Day results for the LBs from LBU that made it to the league since 2004:
2015 Denzel Perryman 5'11 236 4.78 27 Reps 32.0 VJ 113 BJ
2015 Thurston Armbrister 6'2 241 4.67 20 Reps 33.5 VJ 116 BJ 4.44 SH
2012 Sean Spence 5'11 231 4.66 12 Reps 33.5 VJ 119 BJ 4.28 SH
2011 Colin McCarthy 6'1 238 4.59 23 Reps 36.5 VJ 119 BJ 4.20 SH
2010 Darryl Sharpton 5'11 236 4.81 24 Reps 31 VJ 121 BJ 4.42 SH
2008 Tavares Gooden 6'1 234 4.62 22 Reps 35.0 VJ 118 BJ
2007 Jon Beason 6'1 237 4.72 19 Reps 111 BJ
2006 Leon Williams 6'3 245 4.61 25 Reps 34.0 VJ 119 BJ 4.05 SH
2006 Roger McIntosh 6'2 237 4.63 18 Reps 41.5 VJ 119 BJ 4.20 SH
2004 D.J. Williams 6'1 250 4.54 38.0 VJ 119 BJ 4.05 SH
2004 Jonathan Vilma 6'1 233 4.61 23 Reps 37.0 VJ 121 BJ 4.20 SH

I look forward to see what your son puts up in 4 years from now.

There's no reason he can't put up similar numbers to Sean Spence 4 years from now. He tested a lot better than I thought he would, showing why he's a UM level prospect.

 

[Hurricane Warrior]

[MENTION=7463]Hurricane Warrior[/MENTION] do they go by hand times or laser at the last showcase

laser

ok, so I'm thinking that Scott's time was off because the laser malfunctioned, same thing happened at the combine...laser clocked Hargreaves running a 4.9 but hand times had him around 4.5 and it happened to other players too. So mayber he really doesn't run 4.99

I'm pretty sure he would scratch his time if that was the case... personally i trust machines more and man.

 

[Zbrod95]

Has anyone here other than Geo seen him multiple times in person? Also can anyone explain why Bama and UF offered this kid? Maybe we need to see an entire game film against good competition? Or maybe he played the entire junior year with an injury? His soph tape looks completely different. Again, it must be a reason why Bama offered this kid. It's his quickness off the ball and high point catching ability in traffic. Imo

Just because Bama offered him doesn't mean it was commitable. I mean they offered Tyre Brady as well that doesn't mean they would ever let him be apart of their recruiting class.

They offered Terry McCray too

 

[Hurricane Warrior]

Yeah, and that would have been the best out of two 40's. Kemore also looked good in 1-on-1's and his short area quickness is very impressive at 4.09.

Waynmon Steed LB 17 FL Miami Central 5-11 221 4.74 4.33 40.0 30.6 102.36

[MENTION=10316]waynejr31[/MENTION] Serious question, how did Waynmon go from 6'1" 225 at the Army combines this year to 5'11" 221 at the opening? Did they measure him with his shoes on or include his hair? I don't get it since they are all supposed to be verified measurements... It always confused me when profiles of players vary so much from one site to another, I tried to get verified measurement from events and now even those vary from event to event.

I mean he measured in at 6'0 last year at the same event.

WayeJr31: Thanks my fellow Canes fans for the blessings.
Here are Waynmon's numbers from the Nike Camp today.
6'0" 198
40 yard laser 4.73 (I had him at a 4.55 hand time)
20 yard shuttle 4.38
Power ball 34
Vertical 30.5

View attachment 35850

I have no idea, I guess he shrunk. My son has not measured in at 5'11" since his freshman year. If you click on the NCSA profile link on the student sports results link next to his name, it has a picture of him being measured and he is clearly well above the 6'0" mark. Army and Rivals both had him above 6'0" this year so I'm not sure what the heck happened there honestly. I think there may have been some confusion because of his hair. They probably took an inch off because they couldn't get an accurate measurement.

I believe you man, it just confuses the crap out me how they do these combines and measurement can vary so much. 18 year olds don't shrink over a couple of months... Typically profiles are over stated until the actual measurements come out but in his case his actual measurements were verified multiple times and then BAM he is under 6'0", he went from Jon Beason to Denzel Perryman overnight.

Here are the NFL Combine/Pro Day results for the LBs from LBU that made it to the league since 2004:
2015 Denzel Perryman 5'11 236 4.78 27 Reps 32.0 VJ 113 BJ
2015 Thurston Armbrister 6'2 241 4.67 20 Reps 33.5 VJ 116 BJ 4.44 SH
2012 Sean Spence 5'11 231 4.66 12 Reps 33.5 VJ 119 BJ 4.28 SH
2011 Colin McCarthy 6'1 238 4.59 23 Reps 36.5 VJ 119 BJ 4.20 SH
2010 Darryl Sharpton 5'11 236 4.81 24 Reps 31 VJ 121 BJ 4.42 SH
2008 Tavares Gooden 6'1 234 4.62 22 Reps 35.0 VJ 118 BJ
2007 Jon Beason 6'1 237 4.72 19 Reps 111 BJ
2006 Leon Williams 6'3 245 4.61 25 Reps 34.0 VJ 119 BJ 4.05 SH
2006 Roger McIntosh 6'2 237 4.63 18 Reps 41.5 VJ 119 BJ 4.20 SH
2004 D.J. Williams 6'1 250 4.54 38.0 VJ 119 BJ 4.05 SH
2004 Jonathan Vilma 6'1 233 4.61 23 Reps 37.0 VJ 121 BJ 4.20 SH

I look forward to see what your son puts up in 4 years from now.

There's no reason he can't put up similar numbers to Sean Spence 4 years from now. He tested a lot better than I thought he would, showing why he's a UM level prospect.

The may end up similar but I think Steed is much bigger coming out of HS. Sean was more like 5'11, 190 in high school. I think Steed will be much thicker and stronger than Spence when it's all said and done. Now if he can read and react like Spence, then watch out!

 

[Hurricane Warrior]

Has anyone here other than Geo seen him multiple times in person? Also can anyone explain why Bama and UF offered this kid? Maybe we need to see an entire game film against good competition? Or maybe he played the entire junior year with an injury? His soph tape looks completely different. Again, it must be a reason why Bama offered this kid. It's his quickness off the ball and high point catching ability in traffic. Imo

Just because Bama offered him doesn't mean it was commitable. I mean they offered Tyre Brady as well that doesn't mean they would ever let him be apart of their recruiting class.

They offered Terry McCray too

Remember this? Class of 2014... talk about slow team speed and underwhelming numbers... Hester was our fastest guy in the class with a 4.64 (Berrios was coming off ACL), after he left Yearby was the fastest guy in the class...

Incoming Players Weight Room:
Brad Kaaya: 5.51 40 (5.46 best), 4.80 20, 290 SQ, 186 PC, 205 BP, 23.5 VJ
Malik Rosier: 4.79 40 (4.69 best), 7 REPS, 375 SQ, 247 PC, 260 BP, 28 VJ

Joe Yearby: 4.65 40 (4.62 best), 13 REPS, 425 SQ, 315 BP, 28 VJ

Braxton Berrios: Didn't run, 13 REPS, 252 PC, 320 BP
Tyre Brady: 4.86 40 (4.83 best), 4.48 SH, 5 REPS, 365 SQ, 242 PC, 270 BP, 34 VJ
David Njoku: 4.76 40 (4.67 best), 4.64 SH, 9 REPS, 275 PC, 35.5 VJ
Chris Herndon: 4.82 40 (4.79 best), 4.62 20, 17 REPS

Joe Brown: 5.78 40 (5.74 best), 5.15 SH, 9 REPS, 315 SQ, 232 PC, 275 BP, 22.5 VJ
Trevor Darling: 5.88 40 (5.83 best), 5.52 SH, 13 REPS, 365 SQ, 264 PC, 315 BP, 24 VJ
Tyler Grimsley: 5.40 40 (5.34 best), 4.74 SH, 25 REPS, 405 SQ, 308 PC, 385 BP, 24.5 VJ
Nick Linder: 5.60 40 (5.53 best), 5.05 SH, 21 REPS, 405 SQ, 252 PC, 320 BP, 27.5 VJ
KC McDermott: 5.64 40 (5.56 best), 5.14 SH, 22 REPS, 365 SQ, 276 PC, 365 BP, 21 VJ

Trent Harris: 5.09 40 (4.96 best), 4.60 SH, 13 REPS, 365 SQ, 308 PC, 315 BP, 26.5 VJ
Calvin Heurtelou: 5.66 40 (5.57 best), 5.17 SH, 33 REPS, 264 SQ, 26.5 VJ
Demetrius Jackson: 4.85 40 (4.71 best), 4.39 SH, 15 REPS, 345 SQ, 252 PC, 305 BP, 30 VJ
Courtel Jenkins: 5.53 40 (5.43 best), 5.18 SH, 20 REPS, 465 SQ, 301 PC, 385 BP, 19.5 VJ
Chad Thomas: 4.91 40 (4.82 best), 4.50 SH, 11 REPS, 355 SQ, 300 BP, 27.5 VJ
Michael Wyche: Did not test in running, 35 REPS, 275 SQ, 435 BP, 22 VJ

Terry McCray: 5.14 40 (5.07 best), 4.69 SH, 8 REPS, 335 SQ, 132 PC, 265 BP
Darrion Owens: 4.79 40 (4.78 best), 4.36 SH, 17 REPS, 425 SQ, 332 PC, 355 BP, 29.5 VJ
Mike Smith: 5.22 40 (5.09 best), 4.99 20, 14 REPS, 335 SQ, 220 PC, 325 BP, 22.5 VJ
Juwon Young: 4.75 40 (4.69 best), 4.55 SH, 23 REPS, 440 SQ, 332 PC, 385 BP, 32.5 VJ

Marques Gayot: 4.87 40 (4.82 best), 4.29 SH, 13 REPS, 365 SQ, 264 PC, 300 BP, 30.5 VJ
Kiy Hester: 4.64 40 (4.57 best), 4.30 SH, 9 REPS, 455 SQ, 252 PC, 285 BP, 28.5 VJ
Ryan Mayes: 4.66 40 (4.61 best), 4.42 SH, 4 REPS, 385 SQ, 242 PC, 245 BP, 32 VJ

 

[CHIEF2003]

Would have expected Wilder to be faster and quicker at 189 lbs.

He run on a sprained ankle