New players added to roster

[Ghandi]

Ray Lewis came in via a very similar fashion. Now I'm not saying Ray Lewis is walking through that door, but if you have room for one, you take a flyer. If he doesn't work out, he moves on. Do that enough, at zero cost to your roster, and every once in a while a Ray Lewis, a Santana Moss, etc walk through the door.

****, some of the best players in CFB and even the NFL we're walk ons at once point, let alone later additions. Andre Wadsworth (FSU), Scott Fujita (Cal), Darren Woodson (ASU), Aeneas Williams (@ Southern!), etc.

Almost zero downside.

There is a massive downside here, and thats the cost of educating, housing, and training kids that will turn out to be nothing but a hunch from by a coach who so far has shown little to no ability to identify and develop talent on a consistent basis.

The school doesn't have a massive revenue stream they can tap into and take 5-6 kids like this PER YEAR for the 4th year in a row. If I posted the list now of Golden "sleepers" that haven't panned and associated a cost to them; you'd **** yourself at how much that costs the university over a 4-year period.

And to answer your question, yes, that is the cost of doing business. Yes, there is a small chance these kids will be stars and fill the financial coffers.

But this guy's inability to identify and continuously miss is costing the school big money.

 

[drifters1234]

Well; here's how Joe Brown tested out. It looks like he'll start at OL.

Joe Brown's results: 5.78-second average 40-yard dash (5.74 best 40 time in three tries), 5.15 20-yard shuttle, nine reps of 225, 315 squat, 232 power clean, 275 bench press, 22.5 vertical

This guy is 6'5 and 300+ lbs at least.

9-reps of 225lbs.
22" vertical
6-second 40
300lb squat

Like I said; this kid does not belong here.

Holy *****, those weight room numbers take "project" to an entirely different level.

 

[fincane]

Ray Lewis came in via a very similar fashion. Now I'm not saying Ray Lewis is walking through that door, but if you have room for one, you take a flyer. If he doesn't work out, he moves on. Do that enough, at zero cost to your roster, and every once in a while a Ray Lewis, a Santana Moss, etc walk through the door.

****, some of the best players in CFB and even the NFL we're walk ons at once point, let alone later additions. Andre Wadsworth (FSU), Scott Fujita (Cal), Darren Woodson (ASU), Aeneas Williams (@ Southern!), etc.

Almost zero downside.

There is a massive downside here, and thats the cost of educating, housing, and training kids that will turn out to be nothing but a hunch from by a coach who so far has shown little to no ability to identify and develop talent on a consistent basis.

The school doesn't have a massive revenue stream they can tap into and take 5-6 kids like this PER YEAR for the 4th year in a row. If I posted the list now of Golden "sleepers" that haven't panned and associated a cost to them; you'd **** yourself at how much that costs the university over a 4-year period.

And to answer your question, yes, that is the cost of doing business. Yes, there is a small chance these kids will be stars and fill the financial coffers.

But this guy's inability to identify and continuously miss is costing the school big money.

The 79th-85th on Bama's roster don't contribute so the guys on the bottom of every roster are costing the school money.

The argument that the school can't hire better coordinators and provide an indoor practice facility because of bottom of the roster guys is **** asinine. How did the new practice fields get put in? Because we've been operating below the scholie limit for the past couple of years and decided to put that money elsewhere? Or was it because boosters donated money? If Golden trims the roster size to 70 and limits the players to one pair of shoes per season think of all the money that would save? Chad Morris here we come.

 

[drifters1234]

Ray Lewis came in via a very similar fashion. Now I'm not saying Ray Lewis is walking through that door, but if you have room for one, you take a flyer. If he doesn't work out, he moves on. Do that enough, at zero cost to your roster, and every once in a while a Ray Lewis, a Santana Moss, etc walk through the door.

****, some of the best players in CFB and even the NFL we're walk ons at once point, let alone later additions. Andre Wadsworth (FSU), Scott Fujita (Cal), Darren Woodson (ASU), Aeneas Williams (@ Southern!), etc.

Almost zero downside.

There is definitely a potential downside, given the scholarship sanctions. If he's another Jacoby Brissett video gamer non-player then we have wasted the opportunity to use up one of the scholarship restrictions.

And this is not remotely comparable to Ray Lewis. He was an absolute stud who produced from day 1. Schools were well aware that Ray was a good prospect, but it did not appear that he would qualify.

 

[Ghandi]

Ray Lewis came in via a very similar fashion. Now I'm not saying Ray Lewis is walking through that door, but if you have room for one, you take a flyer. If he doesn't work out, he moves on. Do that enough, at zero cost to your roster, and every once in a while a Ray Lewis, a Santana Moss, etc walk through the door.

****, some of the best players in CFB and even the NFL we're walk ons at once point, let alone later additions. Andre Wadsworth (FSU), Scott Fujita (Cal), Darren Woodson (ASU), Aeneas Williams (@ Southern!), etc.

Almost zero downside.

There is a massive downside here, and thats the cost of educating, housing, and training kids that will turn out to be nothing but a hunch from by a coach who so far has shown little to no ability to identify and develop talent on a consistent basis.

The school doesn't have a massive revenue stream they can tap into and take 5-6 kids like this PER YEAR for the 4th year in a row. If I posted the list now of Golden "sleepers" that haven't panned and associated a cost to them; you'd **** yourself at how much that costs the university over a 4-year period.

And to answer your question, yes, that is the cost of doing business. Yes, there is a small chance these kids will be stars and fill the financial coffers.

But this guy's inability to identify and continuously miss is costing the school big money.

The 79th-85th on Bama's roster don't contribute so the guys on the bottom of every roster are costing the school money.

The argument that the school can't hire better coordinators and provide an indoor practice facility because of bottom of the roster guys is **** asinine. How did the new practice fields get put in? Because we've been operating below the scholie limit for the past couple of years and decided to put that money elsewhere? Or was it because boosters donated money? If Golden trims the roster size to 70 and limits the players to one pair of shoes per season think of all the money that would save? Chad Morris here we come.

You must be another one of our esteemed MENSA board members.

How can you compare the following:

- the budget and money a school like Alabama, the only game in town and a public (and very ******) university?
- the cost of the education between Alabama and Miami.

Do you think Miami has a budget as big as Alabama? Are the quality of the 79th thru 85th guy the same based on the level of coaching and development? What about the quality of player a top tier program attracts versus a middle of the road ACC team?

Did you consider those things before you posted your excellent and thought provoking response comparing Miami and Alabama?

 

[fincane]

Ray Lewis came in via a very similar fashion. Now I'm not saying Ray Lewis is walking through that door, but if you have room for one, you take a flyer. If he doesn't work out, he moves on. Do that enough, at zero cost to your roster, and every once in a while a Ray Lewis, a Santana Moss, etc walk through the door.

****, some of the best players in CFB and even the NFL we're walk ons at once point, let alone later additions. Andre Wadsworth (FSU), Scott Fujita (Cal), Darren Woodson (ASU), Aeneas Williams (@ Southern!), etc.

Almost zero downside.

There is a massive downside here, and thats the cost of educating, housing, and training kids that will turn out to be nothing but a hunch from by a coach who so far has shown little to no ability to identify and develop talent on a consistent basis.

The school doesn't have a massive revenue stream they can tap into and take 5-6 kids like this PER YEAR for the 4th year in a row. If I posted the list now of Golden "sleepers" that haven't panned and associated a cost to them; you'd **** yourself at how much that costs the university over a 4-year period.

And to answer your question, yes, that is the cost of doing business. Yes, there is a small chance these kids will be stars and fill the financial coffers.

But this guy's inability to identify and continuously miss is costing the school big money.

The 79th-85th on Bama's roster don't contribute so the guys on the bottom of every roster are costing the school money.

The argument that the school can't hire better coordinators and provide an indoor practice facility because of bottom of the roster guys is **** asinine. How did the new practice fields get put in? Because we've been operating below the scholie limit for the past couple of years and decided to put that money elsewhere? Or was it because boosters donated money? If Golden trims the roster size to 70 and limits the players to one pair of shoes per season think of all the money that would save? Chad Morris here we come.

You must be another one of our esteemed MENSA board members.

How can you compare the following:

- the budget and money a school like Alabama, the only game in town and a public (and very ****ty) university?
- the cost of the education between Alabama and Miami.

Do you think Miami has a budget as big as Alabama? Are the quality of the 79th thru 85th guy the same based on the level of coaching and development? What about the quality of player a top tier program attracts versus a middle of the road ACC team?

Did you consider those things before you posted your excellent and thought provoking response comparing Miami and Alabama?

How did the practice fields get put in since you're talking about budget and what can and can't be acquired? Where did the money come from? Because if it didn't come from the extra money saved by playing below the limit then your whole rant about money wasted at the bottom of the roster is offbase and borderline dumb. Bama's budget is bigger than Miami's but the bottom of the roster isn't hampering the school. Somehow they found the money to hire Baez and Ice Harris while Grimsley and Brown are draining the coffers.

The alternate helmets are going to cost them around 70k if not more. Cut them. There is more money to spend on a better coach. What other things that actually have no bearing on better coaches can we think of to get rid of?

 

[BigCaneAl]

Not sure why the agenda? Since being so negative on a board about the kid means ABSOLUTELY nothing why not just wish the kid luck.

What does wishing this kid good luck and overlooking his ineptitude going to gain me if me being negative gains me nothing? Your approval? Free season-tickets? Free parking in the Orange Lot by the turnpike exit? A round of beers?

What is the tangible benefit of me ignoring the obvious elephant in the room (the kid doesn't belong here) and just wishing him good luck?

If you are just bursting at the seams to let everyone know how you feel (because we are all dying to know) just leave it at a generic "good luck to the kid, don't think he's going to contribute".

I am actually bursting at the seams to let you know how I feel.

And there is a simple reason for that.

The University is WASTING money ($50k per year in tuition, plus training table, travel, etc.) on a kid that simply doesn't belong. Why doesn't Miami have a training bubble? Why doesn't Miami have a better S&C program? Why can't the school hire better coordinators? The simple reason most of the times is money.

And the more money you have tied into clowns like Joe Brown, Tyler Grimsley, and Corey King (HEY, THAT's $150k RIGHT THERE!); the less money a school with a fixed budget like Miami has to invest in tangible and beneficial programs and upgrades.

To go out of your way to make this case, and then just keep at it is borderline pathological. Settle down. Go canes!

It's simple buddy, I have a right as a member of this forum to post my feelings. You, like many others, have the right to bypass said opinion and move on. The only one with pathological tendencies around here is you, sir.

Your crusade to suppress every bit of negative responses about the team, coaches, and kids is disgusting. If you don't like dissenting opinions, this is definitely not the place for you pal.

Get help.

 

[BigCaneAl]

Well; here's how Joe Brown tested out. It looks like he'll start at OL.

Joe Brown's results: 5.78-second average 40-yard dash (5.74 best 40 time in three tries), 5.15 20-yard shuttle, nine reps of 225, 315 squat, 232 power clean, 275 bench press, 22.5 vertical

This guy is 6'5 and 300+ lbs at least.

9-reps of 225lbs.
22" vertical
6-second 40
300lb squat

Like I said; this kid does not belong here.

Holy *****, those weight room numbers take "project" to an entirely different level.

You realize that applying this logic means we should just cut Kaaya right?

 

[Ghandi]

Not sure why the agenda? Since being so negative on a board about the kid means ABSOLUTELY nothing why not just wish the kid luck.

What does wishing this kid good luck and overlooking his ineptitude going to gain me if me being negative gains me nothing? Your approval? Free season-tickets? Free parking in the Orange Lot by the turnpike exit? A round of beers?

What is the tangible benefit of me ignoring the obvious elephant in the room (the kid doesn't belong here) and just wishing him good luck?

If you are just bursting at the seams to let everyone know how you feel (because we are all dying to know) just leave it at a generic "good luck to the kid, don't think he's going to contribute".

I am actually bursting at the seams to let you know how I feel.

And there is a simple reason for that.

The University is WASTING money ($50k per year in tuition, plus training table, travel, etc.) on a kid that simply doesn't belong. Why doesn't Miami have a training bubble? Why doesn't Miami have a better S&C program? Why can't the school hire better coordinators? The simple reason most of the times is money.

And the more money you have tied into clowns like Joe Brown, Tyler Grimsley, and Corey King (HEY, THAT's $150k RIGHT THERE!); the less money a school with a fixed budget like Miami has to invest in tangible and beneficial programs and upgrades.

To go out of your way to make this case, and then just keep at it is borderline pathological. Settle down. Go canes!

It's simple buddy, I have a right as a member of this forum to post my feelings. You, like many others, have the right to bypass said opinion and move on. The only one with pathological tendencies around here is you, sir.

Your crusade to suppress every bit of negative responses about the team, coaches, and kids is disgusting. If you don't like dissenting opinions, this is definitely not the place for you pal.

Get help.

Great idea backing out of this debate.

You have nothing except thinly veiled attacks on my sanity and thus the validity of the facts I've posted in this thread.

Don't engage me again, unless you want to get embarrassed.

 

[BigCaneAl]

Not sure why the agenda? Since being so negative on a board about the kid means ABSOLUTELY nothing why not just wish the kid luck.

What does wishing this kid good luck and overlooking his ineptitude going to gain me if me being negative gains me nothing? Your approval? Free season-tickets? Free parking in the Orange Lot by the turnpike exit? A round of beers?

What is the tangible benefit of me ignoring the obvious elephant in the room (the kid doesn't belong here) and just wishing him good luck?

If you are just bursting at the seams to let everyone know how you feel (because we are all dying to know) just leave it at a generic "good luck to the kid, don't think he's going to contribute".

I am actually bursting at the seams to let you know how I feel.

And there is a simple reason for that.

The University is WASTING money ($50k per year in tuition, plus training table, travel, etc.) on a kid that simply doesn't belong. Why doesn't Miami have a training bubble? Why doesn't Miami have a better S&C program? Why can't the school hire better coordinators? The simple reason most of the times is money.

And the more money you have tied into clowns like Joe Brown, Tyler Grimsley, and Corey King (HEY, THAT's $150k RIGHT THERE!); the less money a school with a fixed budget like Miami has to invest in tangible and beneficial programs and upgrades.

To go out of your way to make this case, and then just keep at it is borderline pathological. Settle down. Go canes!

It's simple buddy, I have a right as a member of this forum to post my feelings. You, like many others, have the right to bypass said opinion and move on. The only one with pathological tendencies around here is you, sir.

Your crusade to suppress every bit of negative responses about the team, coaches, and kids is disgusting. If you don't like dissenting opinions, this is definitely not the place for you pal.

Get help.

Great idea backing out of this debate.

You have nothing except thinly veiled attacks on my sanity and thus the validity of the facts I've posted in this thread.

Don't engage me again, unless you want to get embarrassed.

You have no facts. You are embarrassing yourself in your quixotic crusade to convince a message board that some kid is unworthy of a scholarship. I was being sincere in my previous post. Seek help, you seriously need it.

 

[Ghandi]

Not sure why the agenda? Since being so negative on a board about the kid means ABSOLUTELY nothing why not just wish the kid luck.

What does wishing this kid good luck and overlooking his ineptitude going to gain me if me being negative gains me nothing? Your approval? Free season-tickets? Free parking in the Orange Lot by the turnpike exit? A round of beers?

What is the tangible benefit of me ignoring the obvious elephant in the room (the kid doesn't belong here) and just wishing him good luck?



I am actually bursting at the seams to let you know how I feel.

And there is a simple reason for that.

The University is WASTING money ($50k per year in tuition, plus training table, travel, etc.) on a kid that simply doesn't belong. Why doesn't Miami have a training bubble? Why doesn't Miami have a better S&C program? Why can't the school hire better coordinators? The simple reason most of the times is money.

And the more money you have tied into clowns like Joe Brown, Tyler Grimsley, and Corey King (HEY, THAT's $150k RIGHT THERE!); the less money a school with a fixed budget like Miami has to invest in tangible and beneficial programs and upgrades.

To go out of your way to make this case, and then just keep at it is borderline pathological. Settle down. Go canes!

It's simple buddy, I have a right as a member of this forum to post my feelings. You, like many others, have the right to bypass said opinion and move on. The only one with pathological tendencies around here is you, sir.

Your crusade to suppress every bit of negative responses about the team, coaches, and kids is disgusting. If you don't like dissenting opinions, this is definitely not the place for you pal.

Get help.

Great idea backing out of this debate.

You have nothing except thinly veiled attacks on my sanity and thus the validity of the facts I've posted in this thread.

Don't engage me again, unless you want to get embarrassed.

You have no facts. You are embarrassing yourself in your quixotic crusade to convince a message board that some kid is unworthy of a scholarship. I was being sincere in my previous post. Seek help, you seriously need it.

Ok sir. You got me.

I'm out targeting unsuspecting kids in college.

What do I now? Isn't the first step admitting it?

 

[bomb]

Ray Lewis came in via a very similar fashion. Now I'm not saying Ray Lewis is walking through that door, but if you have room for one, you take a flyer. If he doesn't work out, he moves on. Do that enough, at zero cost to your roster, and every once in a while a Ray Lewis, a Santana Moss, etc walk through the door.

****, some of the best players in CFB and even the NFL we're walk ons at once point, let alone later additions. Andre Wadsworth (FSU), Scott Fujita (Cal), Darren Woodson (ASU), Aeneas Williams (@ Southern!), etc.

Almost zero downside.

There is a massive downside here, and thats the cost of educating, housing, and training kids that will turn out to be nothing but a hunch from by a coach who so far has shown little to no ability to identify and develop talent on a consistent basis.

The school doesn't have a massive revenue stream they can tap into and take 5-6 kids like this PER YEAR for the 4th year in a row. If I posted the list now of Golden "sleepers" that haven't panned and associated a cost to them; you'd **** yourself at how much that costs the university over a 4-year period.

And to answer your question, yes, that is the cost of doing business. Yes, there is a small chance these kids will be stars and fill the financial coffers.

But this guy's inability to identify and continuously miss is costing the school big money.

That's INCREDIBLY ignorant. I mean, I don't even know where to start.

I guess I'll start with the fact that we're not adding 200 scholarship kids. We're capped (AND BUDGETED) for up to 84. "MASSIVE REVENUE STREAM!" Hyperbole much? Mislead much?

As I said, its a numbers game. If you've come to a dug in stance that our coach has zero ability to evaluate talent, well that's you're right. With the fact that he did what he did at Temple when NO ONE wanted to go there, has been recruiting here under "death penalty is coming" probation, inherited a **** roster from RS, and has still improved the program (and the talent level) each year incrementally, I think that at the very least the jury is still out. Many see positive signs among the (understandable?) issues still at hand. You think that every kid AG has taken was on his A-list? There were a ton of kids he would have loved to have brought in, but he was recruiting with one hand tied behind (****, maybe two, and a foot) his back for 3+ years.

And yeah, you're not going to get 25 A-list kids every class. You're going to always take a couple of projects, sleepers, kids you see something with with those last spots. As I illustrated, you can even end up with a kid who finished out in Canton, if not at the very least a contributor. Every team needs blue collar types. Its about chemistry.

I'd encourage you to keep an open mind. We're just months out of our sentence being handed down (and still on probation btw) and recruiting has taken a marked upward direction already. Take the long road, and try to enjoy it.

 

[bomb]

Not sure why the agenda? Since being so negative on a board about the kid means ABSOLUTELY nothing why not just wish the kid luck.

What does wishing this kid good luck and overlooking his ineptitude going to gain me if me being negative gains me nothing? Your approval? Free season-tickets? Free parking in the Orange Lot by the turnpike exit? A round of beers?

What is the tangible benefit of me ignoring the obvious elephant in the room (the kid doesn't belong here) and just wishing him good luck?

If you are just bursting at the seams to let everyone know how you feel (because we are all dying to know) just leave it at a generic "good luck to the kid, don't think he's going to contribute".

I am actually bursting at the seams to let you know how I feel.

And there is a simple reason for that.

The University is WASTING money ($50k per year in tuition, plus training table, travel, etc.) on a kid that simply doesn't belong. Why doesn't Miami have a training bubble? Why doesn't Miami have a better S&C program? Why can't the school hire better coordinators? The simple reason most of the times is money.

And the more money you have tied into clowns like Joe Brown, Tyler Grimsley, and Corey King (HEY, THAT's $150k RIGHT THERE!); the less money a school with a fixed budget like Miami has to invest in tangible and beneficial programs and upgrades.

To go out of your way to make this case, and then just keep at it is borderline pathological. Settle down. Go canes!

It's simple buddy, I have a right as a member of this forum to post my feelings. You, like many others, have the right to bypass said opinion and move on. The only one with pathological tendencies around here is you, sir.

Your crusade to suppress every bit of negative responses about the team, coaches, and kids is disgusting. If you don't like dissenting opinions, this is definitely not the place for you pal.

Get help.

Great idea backing out of this debate.

You have nothing except thinly veiled attacks on my sanity and thus the validity of the facts I've posted in this thread.

Don't engage me again, unless you want to get embarrassed.

Wow, who ****ed in your Cherrios, man? Be civil.

 

[Ghandi]

That's INCREDIBLY ignorant. I mean, I don't even know where to start.

I guess I'll start with the fact that we're not adding 200 scholarship kids. We're capped (AND BUDGETED) for up to 84. "MASSIVE REVENUE STREAM!" Hyperbole much? Mislead much?

As I said, its a numbers game. If you've come to a dug in stance that our coach has zero ability to evaluate talent, well that's you're right. With the fact that he did what he did at Temple when NO ONE wanted to go there, has been recruiting here under "death penalty is coming" probation, inherited a **** roster from RS, and has still improved the program (and the talent level) each year incrementally, I think that at the very least the jury is still out. Many see positive signs among the (understandable?) issues still at hand. You think that every kid AG has taken was on his A-list? There were a ton of kids he would have loved to have brought in, but he was recruiting with one hand tied behind (****, maybe two, and a foot) his back for 3+ years.

And yeah, you're not going to get 25 A-list kids every class. You're going to always take a couple of projects, sleepers, kids you see something with with those last spots. As I illustrated, you can even end up with a kid who finished out in Canton, if not at the very least a contributor. Every team needs blue collar types. Its about chemistry.

I'd encourage you to keep an open mind. We're just months out of our sentence being handed down (and still on probation btw) and recruiting has taken a marked upward direction already. Take the long road, and try to enjoy it.

Jesus H. Christ; do you even know what ignorant means? How can you go in within 5-seconds accusing me of mis-leading and hyperbole and then turn around and use the word ignorant out of context.

Un-******-believable.

-Alabama's Athletics Budget was $105M, with a REVENUE stream of $124M.
http://collegead.org/college-athletic-department-budgets/

-Miami does not publish the information, but would you agree that the budget is considerably lower than any school in the top-15 or 20 in spending?

I'm sure you'll just keep twisting and turning here...

I can't believe some of you people are actually comparing athletic departments with the big hitters in CFB today.

That goes beyond delirium and fandom...and into idiocy.

 

[Ghandi]

Not sure why the agenda? Since being so negative on a board about the kid means ABSOLUTELY nothing why not just wish the kid luck.

What does wishing this kid good luck and overlooking his ineptitude going to gain me if me being negative gains me nothing? Your approval? Free season-tickets? Free parking in the Orange Lot by the turnpike exit? A round of beers?

What is the tangible benefit of me ignoring the obvious elephant in the room (the kid doesn't belong here) and just wishing him good luck?



I am actually bursting at the seams to let you know how I feel.

And there is a simple reason for that.

The University is WASTING money ($50k per year in tuition, plus training table, travel, etc.) on a kid that simply doesn't belong. Why doesn't Miami have a training bubble? Why doesn't Miami have a better S&C program? Why can't the school hire better coordinators? The simple reason most of the times is money.

And the more money you have tied into clowns like Joe Brown, Tyler Grimsley, and Corey King (HEY, THAT's $150k RIGHT THERE!); the less money a school with a fixed budget like Miami has to invest in tangible and beneficial programs and upgrades.

To go out of your way to make this case, and then just keep at it is borderline pathological. Settle down. Go canes!

It's simple buddy, I have a right as a member of this forum to post my feelings. You, like many others, have the right to bypass said opinion and move on. The only one with pathological tendencies around here is you, sir.

Your crusade to suppress every bit of negative responses about the team, coaches, and kids is disgusting. If you don't like dissenting opinions, this is definitely not the place for you pal.

Get help.

Great idea backing out of this debate.

You have nothing except thinly veiled attacks on my sanity and thus the validity of the facts I've posted in this thread.

Don't engage me again, unless you want to get embarrassed.

Wow, who ****ed in your Cherrios, man? Be civil.

I am being civil. I didn't insult that guy once.

On the other hand, he's tossing barbs at me about how I'm "delusional".

******* homers on this board....

 

[bomb]

That's INCREDIBLY ignorant. I mean, I don't even know where to start.

I guess I'll start with the fact that we're not adding 200 scholarship kids. We're capped (AND BUDGETED) for up to 84. "MASSIVE REVENUE STREAM!" Hyperbole much? Mislead much?

As I said, its a numbers game. If you've come to a dug in stance that our coach has zero ability to evaluate talent, well that's you're right. With the fact that he did what he did at Temple when NO ONE wanted to go there, has been recruiting here under "death penalty is coming" probation, inherited a **** roster from RS, and has still improved the program (and the talent level) each year incrementally, I think that at the very least the jury is still out. Many see positive signs among the (understandable?) issues still at hand. You think that every kid AG has taken was on his A-list? There were a ton of kids he would have loved to have brought in, but he was recruiting with one hand tied behind (****, maybe two, and a foot) his back for 3+ years.

And yeah, you're not going to get 25 A-list kids every class. You're going to always take a couple of projects, sleepers, kids you see something with with those last spots. As I illustrated, you can even end up with a kid who finished out in Canton, if not at the very least a contributor. Every team needs blue collar types. Its about chemistry.

I'd encourage you to keep an open mind. We're just months out of our sentence being handed down (and still on probation btw) and recruiting has taken a marked upward direction already. Take the long road, and try to enjoy it.

Jesus H. Christ; do you even know what ignorant means? How can you go in within 5-seconds accusing me of mis-leading and hyperbole and then turn around and use the word ignorant out of context.

Un-******-believable.

-Alabama's Athletics Budget was $105M, with a REVENUE stream of $124M.
http://collegead.org/college-athletic-department-budgets/

-Miami does not publish the information, but would you agree that the budget is considerably lower than any school in the top-15 or 20 in spending?

I'm sure you'll just keep twisting and turning here...

I can't believe some of you people are actually comparing athletic departments with the big hitters in CFB today.

That goes beyond delirium and fandom...and into idiocy.

ig·no·rant
ˈignərənt/Submit
adjective
lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.

Again, you ignorantly stated:

"There is a massive downside here, and thats the cost of educating, housing, and training kids."

"The school doesn't have a massive revenue stream they can tap into and take 5-6 kids like this PER YEAR for the 4th year in a row."

As stated, we are fully budgeted for 84 football scholarships. Your ignorant hyperbole about these "MASSIVE" expenses that are going to apparently sink the AD is what I am (again) referring to. Your post is misleading, irresponsible and again, completely ignorant. There is no great massive loss of revenue here. No one is "twisting and turning" but you. I see you're taking a page out of the Cheney playbook, where you think it you scream a lie loud enough, it makes it true. As illustrated, again, your statement is ignorant, and shows a complete lack of understanding of how the finances and scholarship allotment at a major football program works. Your agenda is transparent.

But keep screaming, maybe you will start the believe your own bull****. That will make one. You're wrong buddy, its not a big deal.

 

[The Franchise]

Ray Lewis came in via a very similar fashion. Now I'm not saying Ray Lewis is walking through that door, but if you have room for one, you take a flyer. If he doesn't work out, he moves on. Do that enough, at zero cost to your roster, and every once in a while a Ray Lewis, a Santana Moss, etc walk through the door.

****, some of the best players in CFB and even the NFL we're walk ons at once point, let alone later additions. Andre Wadsworth (FSU), Scott Fujita (Cal), Darren Woodson (ASU), Aeneas Williams (@ Southern!), etc.

Almost zero downside.

There is a massive downside here, and thats the cost of educating, housing, and training kids that will turn out to be nothing but a hunch from by a coach who so far has shown little to no ability to identify and develop talent on a consistent basis.

The school doesn't have a massive revenue stream they can tap into and take 5-6 kids like this PER YEAR for the 4th year in a row. If I posted the list now of Golden "sleepers" that haven't panned and associated a cost to them; you'd **** yourself at how much that costs the university over a 4-year period.

And to answer your question, yes, that is the cost of doing business. Yes, there is a small chance these kids will be stars and fill the financial coffers.

But this guy's inability to identify and continuously miss is costing the school big money.

That's INCREDIBLY ignorant. I mean, I don't even know where to start.

I guess I'll start with the fact that we're not adding 200 scholarship kids. We're capped (AND BUDGETED) for up to 84. "MASSIVE REVENUE STREAM!" Hyperbole much? Mislead much?

As I said, its a numbers game. If you've come to a dug in stance that our coach has zero ability to evaluate talent, well that's you're right. With the fact that he did what he did at Temple when NO ONE wanted to go there, has been recruiting here under "death penalty is coming" probation, inherited a **** roster from RS, and has still improved the program (and the talent level) each year incrementally, I think that at the very least the jury is still out. Many see positive signs among the (understandable?) issues still at hand. You think that every kid AG has taken was on his A-list? There were a ton of kids he would have loved to have brought in, but he was recruiting with one hand tied behind (****, maybe two, and a foot) his back for 3+ years.

And yeah, you're not going to get 25 A-list kids every class. You're going to always take a couple of projects, sleepers, kids you see something with with those last spots. As I illustrated, you can even end up with a kid who finished out in Canton, if not at the very least a contributor. Every team needs blue collar types. Its about chemistry.

I'd encourage you to keep an open mind. We're just months out of our sentence being handed down (and still on probation btw) and recruiting has taken a marked upward direction already. Take the long road, and try to enjoy it.

Perspective. Refreshing.

 

[Ghandi]

I'll start a new response since quoting that red-herring filled post would just take too long.

Just because you're budgeted for 80+ scholarships does not mean it's ok to mismanage the allocation. 79-84 may not be important to you as a fan, but to an administration that is cost conscious it matters.

The rest of your "my feather boa to tight around neck" post is just pure garbage. Political crap and insults aside, I'm actually pretty liberal in some of my views in life.

If you believe that all of the things these kids get on scholarship do not cost the university money is...well stupid.

 

[bomb]

I'll start a new response since quoting that red-herring filled post would just take too long.

Just because you're budgeted for 80+ scholarships does not mean it's ok to mismanage the allocation. 79-84 may not be important to you as a fan, but to an administration that is cost conscious it matters.

The rest of your "my feather boa to tight around neck" post is just pure garbage. Political crap and insults aside, I'm actually pretty liberal in some of my views in life.

If you believe that all of the things these kids get on scholarship do not cost the university money is...well stupid.

1- Thanks for not re-quoting all that!

2- Do you realize that you are actually trying to HAMSTRING the football program, by PREVENTING them from taking fliers on projects kids like OUR COMPETITION can? You are literally asking us to play with less scholarships, unless every kid we take gets signed off on by YOU, lol. I gave an ample explanation on why taking these last minute kids is important. FYI not mentioned- you also need a full roster just to execute your practices and to field a scout team- especially in Spring after you lose a class and the new recruits haven't arrived.

3- "my feather boa to tight around neck" I don't even know what that means but I guess you are trying to lower the discourse here and drag me down to your level. Sorry.

4- No one made ANY aspirations about your politics. I said you took a play out of Cheney's playbook. That has nothing to do with politics. If my beer league softball team plays small ball, it doesn't make me any less of a Yankees fan. Let me know if you understand this.

5- "If you believe that all of the things these kids get on scholarship do not cost the university money is...well stupid." That's the stupidest ******* thing you've written yet, Cheney. Again, putting words in people's mouths and moving the goalposts to suit your own argument to try to make your nonsense seem less crazy.

6- Thanks coach.

 

[Ghandi]

1- Thanks for not re-quoting all that!

2- Do you realize that you are actually trying to HAMSTRING the football program, by PREVENTING them from taking fliers on projects kids like OUR COMPETITION can? You are literally asking us to play with less scholarships, unless every kid we take gets signed off on by YOU, lol. I gave an ample explanation on why taking these last minute kids is important. FYI not mentioned- you also need a full roster just to execute your practices and to field a scout team- especially in Spring after you lose a class and the new recruits haven't arrived.

Let's keep whittling this down...I'll just disregard 3-6 since it's more red-herring filled nonsense.

Now that we've established a more cordial tone in-between us and finished blustering, let's concentrate on what we're really discussing here. That is my swollen ***** over having Golden take kids like Joe Brown who have no redeeming qualities (there are 6-8 on the roster currently..but I will not introduce those as that will impact the crux of our discussion).

You say restricting Golden from taking projects would hamstring the program. I agree, that would impact the quality of kids you need at the bottom of the roster that are essentially your hard-working kids.

My problem IS THE QUALITY OF THE KIDS that Golden is bringing in.

So to recap, we both agree that you need to take flyers on kids that fill-out the bottom of the roster. Either to be practice squad dummies or to develop over a three-year period into something more.

Where we disagree is the quality and types of kids Golden is taking a flyer on. You seem to think that the quality does not matter, as long as they come here. I say it does matter because it costs the school MONEY to attempt to develop these types of kids that have no discernible talent.

Do you think Golden could do a better job and take more high-quality flyers?