New depth chart (Finnie 3rd string)

I know everyone is most concerned about the lack of D but I can't stop thinking about the kicking game woes. I must have accepted that we suck on D but the new issues on ST worry me to no end

Is it not yet time to give Goudis a look? Is Wieclaw really that much better than Goudis? Seriously - our kicking game is **** near a dumpster fire and will cost us at least one game if it goes unfixed.
 
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Tell me how much press and blitzing you see in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyknxL7RAOE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
LOL@ Comparing us to a defense loaded with NFL talent in a completely different scheme

So you want us to press more...and blitz more...WITH A FIFTH OF THE TALENT THAT YOU SEE IN THAT VIDEO?

Thanks for making my point for me.

Could it really be any worse? At least we would be trying something different. Who knows, if we pressed and blitzed someone might accidentally make a play. God knows that no one is in the current scheme.

You have Cancer

I'm the doctor that tells you that I have a shot that can temporarily relieve you of your pain, but will compromise your long term health, to the point that you won't be half of what you were, and you eventually will die from the disease.

However, you also have the option of chemotherapy. You will feel the worst you have ever felt in your life. You are going to feel like death is a better option, but if successful, your long-term prognosis is tremendous and a full recovery to what you were before you got sick.

What are you choosing?


You must spread some reputation around before giving it to jerzeycane again.


Nice analogy.
 
Tell me how much press and blitzing you see in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyknxL7RAOE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
LOL@ Comparing us to a defense loaded with NFL talent in a completely different scheme

So you want us to press more...and blitz more...WITH A FIFTH OF THE TALENT THAT YOU SEE IN THAT VIDEO?

Thanks for making my point for me.

Could it really be any worse? At least we would be trying something different. Who knows, if we pressed and blitzed someone might accidentally make a play. God knows that no one is in the current scheme.

You have Cancer

I'm the doctor that tells you that I have a shot that can temporarily relieve you of your pain, but will compromise your long term health, to the point that you won't be half of what you were, and you eventually will die from the disease.

However, you also have the option of chemotherapy. You will feel the worst you have ever felt in your life. You are going to feel like death is a better option, but if successful, your long-term prognosis is tremendous and a full recovery to what you were before you got sick.

What are you choosing?

Except D'Onofrio is a vet not a doctor.
 
Doesn't matter who the CB are if you're telling them to play 25 yards off the opponents WR


This scheme is shot.

This. No wonder T. Howard got into it with D'Onofrio a few weeks ago. Howard is a press man corner and he's got him play 15 yards off the ball. lol.

WTF is a "press man corner?"

You mean there are some corners that only play man coverage, every time they're on the field? Well Christ, that makes the offensive coordinator's job easy!

FYI... the ONLY reason Tracy Howard was an elite 5 star cornerback out of HS is because of his brain. He's not that fast, and his size and strength are good but not elite. It's all between his ears.

Howard CAN excel in the zone, he just has to use his best asset and LEARN the **** scheme.

"He's a press man corner" GTFOH.... that's just dumb.

smh..and yep Howard isnt a press man corner..not fast enough right now.
 
Doesn't matter who the CB are if you're telling them to play 25 yards off the opponents WR


This scheme is shot.


THIS.

If we are just dropping back and waiting for them to make a mistake every single series, what's the point? It's not like we still dont get torched deep anyway. Might as well bring the house. **** say what you want about my opinion, but Va Tech has been doing this for years, even this year where their secondary isnt as good as it usually is.

Tell me how much press and blitzing you see in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyknxL7RAOE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
LOL@ Comparing us to a defense loaded with NFL talent in a completely different scheme

So you want us to press more...and blitz more...WITH A FIFTH OF THE TALENT THAT YOU SEE IN THAT VIDEO?

Thanks for making my point for me.
Go ahead and show me where Ive ever said that. Ill sit back and wait k.....
 
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Tell me how much press and blitzing you see in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyknxL7RAOE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
LOL@ Comparing us to a defense loaded with NFL talent in a completely different scheme

So you want us to press more...and blitz more...WITH A FIFTH OF THE TALENT THAT YOU SEE IN THAT VIDEO?

Thanks for making my point for me.

Could it really be any worse? At least we would be trying something different. Who knows, if we pressed and blitzed someone might accidentally make a play. God knows that no one is in the current scheme.

You have Cancer

I'm the doctor that tells you that I have a shot that can temporarily relieve you of your pain, but will compromise your long term health, to the point that you won't be half of what you were, and you eventually will die from the disease.

However, you also have the option of chemotherapy. You will feel the worst you have ever felt in your life. You are going to feel like death is a better option, but if successful, your long-term prognosis is tremendous and a full recovery to what you were before you got sick.

What are you choosing?

Explain to me how loading the box to stuff the run or blitzing and playing man is going to hurt our development in the future. You have to play with what you have. Next year if our players are better then you go back to your original plan. If you stick with it now, you may not get a chance to go back to it next year.
 
Tell me how much press and blitzing you see in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyknxL7RAOE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
LOL@ Comparing us to a defense loaded with NFL talent in a completely different scheme

So you want us to press more...and blitz more...WITH A FIFTH OF THE TALENT THAT YOU SEE IN THAT VIDEO?

Thanks for making my point for me.
Go ahead and show me where Ive ever said that. Ill sit back and wait k.....

You implied it. If you "lol" at comparing our defense to Alabama, when as you can see, they don't do much blitzing or press coverage, you are implying that we should do something different than what Alabama is doing because we have lesser talent than them, that's why I made the comment that it's "bassackwards".

It's deductive reasoning. Might be a bit to deep for you.

Go back and watch Bama in Saban's first season. There was quite a bit of blitzing. He knew that he couldn't sit back and play a base defense with the talent that he had. He had to create some pressure from somewhere. Bama was 6-6 that season, but there defense wasn't 118. It could have been had he sat back and played his corners 15 yards off the line and ran a base 3-4.

But please, keep enlightening.
 
Doesn't matter who the CB are if you're telling them to play 25 yards off the opponents WR


This scheme is shot.

THIS.

If we are just dropping back and waiting for them to make a mistake every single series, what's the point? It's not like we still dont get torched deep anyway. Might as well bring the house. **** say what you want about my opinion, but Va Tech has been doing this for years, even this year where their secondary isnt as good as it usually is.

The corners in this D are not responsible for the short pass, the linebackers are, this zone D is one of the most popular in the NFL because its that good (except the Jets because they have a god at CB in Revis, but thats the exception). Yes its not a **** D to play on your PS3, but in an actual football game it is. It confuses QB's, man press works fine on consoles but most O coordinators can draw up plays to slice them and dice them in half. It fails on several easy to throw routes. That why a man press D works well against ****** offenses but gets torched against top teams. Anyone remember the Peach bowl? FSU a few years ago? You eat it up with screens and delays
 
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Tell me how much press and blitzing you see in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyknxL7RAOE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
LOL@ Comparing us to a defense loaded with NFL talent in a completely different scheme

So you want us to press more...and blitz more...WITH A FIFTH OF THE TALENT THAT YOU SEE IN THAT VIDEO?

Thanks for making my point for me.
Go ahead and show me where Ive ever said that. Ill sit back and wait k.....

You implied it. If you "lol" at comparing our defense to Alabama, when as you can see, they don't do much blitzing or press coverage, you are implying that we should do something different than what Alabama is doing because we have lesser talent than them, that's why I made the comment that it's "bassackwards".

It's deductive reasoning. Might be a bit to deep for you.
So no direct quote then? Got it.


K THANKS BYE.
 
And since when does Alabama "not do much blitzing"??? Nick Saban is KNOWN for dialing up some of the most exotic blitzes on 3rd downs?????
 
And since when does Alabama "not do much blitzing"??? Nick Saban is KNOWN for dialing up some of the most exotic blitzes on 3rd downs?????

And like I said, when he first got there he blitzed even more because Bama couldn't get pressure with their D line. They got burnt a lot, but they also caused some problems for teams.

We are causing problems for no one.
 
So you want us to press more...and blitz more...WITH A FIFTH OF THE TALENT THAT YOU SEE IN THAT VIDEO?

Thanks for making my point for me.

Could it really be any worse? At least we would be trying something different. Who knows, if we pressed and blitzed someone might accidentally make a play. God knows that no one is in the current scheme.

You have Cancer

I'm the doctor that tells you that I have a shot that can temporarily relieve you of your pain, but will compromise your long term health, to the point that you won't be half of what you were, and you eventually will die from the disease.

However, you also have the option of chemotherapy. You will feel the worst you have ever felt in your life. You are going to feel like death is a better option, but if successful, your long-term prognosis is tremendous and a full recovery to what you were before you got sick.

What are you choosing?

Explain to me how loading the box to stuff the run or blitzing and playing man is going to hurt our development in the future. You have to play with what you have. Next year if our players are better then you go back to your original plan. If you stick with it now, you may not get a chance to go back to it next year.

Playing zone is a learned behavior. You would lose 2 months of the development of zone responsibilities and relationships by switching to man, not to mention that we don't even have lockdown man-to-man corners

Yeah, cuz they're so good at playing zone.

Give me a **** break. If a player can't learn to play zone and man then we got a lot bigger problems than I thought.
 
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Tell me how much press and blitzing you see in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyknxL7RAOE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
LOL@ Comparing us to a defense loaded with NFL talent in a completely different scheme

So you want us to press more...and blitz more...WITH A FIFTH OF THE TALENT THAT YOU SEE IN THAT VIDEO?

Thanks for making my point for me.

Could it really be any worse? At least we would be trying something different. Who knows, if we pressed and blitzed someone might accidentally make a play. God knows that no one is in the current scheme.

You have Cancer

I'm the doctor that tells you that I have a shot that can temporarily relieve you of your pain, but will compromise your long term health, to the point that you won't be half of what you were, and you eventually will die from the disease.

However, you also have the option of chemotherapy. You will feel the worst you have ever felt in your life. You are going to feel like death is a better option, but if successful, your long-term prognosis is tremendous and a full recovery to what you were before you got sick.

What are you choosing?

I'm thinking my first question would be what is the "if successful" ballpark percentage...If we think the odds are in our favor then we stay the course obviously. But do we like the odds? Are we being Realistic? I think a lot of what youve said carries weight, but the thing that scares me is the philosophy. I have NEVER been a fan of coaches who think that their system trumps the actual cards in their hand. Initially, Golden made a great impression on me because he seemed to understand that you have to adjust with your talent and that this is SFLA and we have athletes down here with Unique skill sets compared to the rest of the country. I'm a firm believer in the "Players make Plays" train of thought and I'm starting to think that Al is trying to force a defensive philosophy on guys that are better suited in a different scheme. And I understand he has a system he likes, but this is the U and furthermore SFLA and he needs to understand the athletic history and foundation here. We breed a Certain type of athlete that has common, definable strong suits on average. Who was the first team in the country to play with LB's that ran like safeties and so on? This was not scheme, our coaches simply adapted to the local talent. We breed speedy athletes, Golden and Ono need to be the ones making adjustments, not the other way around. I'm uneasy because I'm starting to think that the two of them (Golden and Ono) are forcing a system simply because they think they are Right. What worked at Temple won't necessarily work here. The best coaches and leaders in the world are those that can set aside their ego and recognize the need to ADAPT. Create a new hybrid, LIKE WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE.

Lastly, do you REally think that Purdue is that much better on D than us? To give up less than half the points we did? Seriously? **** speculation, this is the type of thing that scares me. We're talking about ******* Purdue here.
 
So you want us to press more...and blitz more...WITH A FIFTH OF THE TALENT THAT YOU SEE IN THAT VIDEO?

Thanks for making my point for me.



Could it really be any worse? At least we would be trying something different. Who knows, if we pressed and blitzed someone might accidentally make a play. God knows that no one is in the current scheme.

You have Cancer

I'm the doctor that tells you that I have a shot that can temporarily relieve you of your pain, but will compromise your long term health, to the point that you won't be half of what you were, and you eventually will die from the disease.

However, you also have the option of chemotherapy. You will feel the worst you have ever felt in your life. You are going to feel like death is a better option, but if successful, your long-term prognosis is tremendous and a full recovery to what you were before you got sick.

What are you choosing?

I'm thinking my first question would be what is the "if successful" ballpark percentage...If we think the odds are in our favor then we stay the course obviously. But do we like the odds? Are we being Realistic? I think a lot of what youve said carries weight, but the thing that scares me is the philosophy. I have NEVER been a fan of coaches who think that their system trumps the actual cards in their hand. Initially, Golden made a great impression on me because he seemed to understand that you have to adjust with your talent and that this is SFLA and we have athletes down here with Unique skill sets compared to the rest of the country. I'm a firm believer in the "Players make Plays" train of thought and I'm starting to think that Al is trying to force a defensive philosophy on guys that are better suited in a different scheme. And I understand he has a system he likes, but this is the U and furthermore SFLA and he needs to understand the athletic history and foundation here. We breed a Certain type of athlete that has common, definable strong suits on average. Who was the first team in the country to play with LB's that ran like safeties and so on? This was not scheme, our coaches simply adapted to the local talent. We breed speedy athletes, Golden and Ono need to be the ones making adjustments, not the other way around. I'm uneasy because I'm starting to think that the two of them (Golden and Ono) are forcing a system simply because they think they are Right. What worked at Temple won't necessarily work here. The best coaches and leaders in the world are those that can set aside their ego and recognize the need to ADAPT. Create a new hybrid, LIKE WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE.

Lastly, do you REally think that Purdue is that much better on D than us? To give up less than half the points we did? Seriously? **** speculation, this is the type of thing that scares me. We're talking about ****ing Purdue here.

Purdue has a top 15 pick on their defensive line playing defensive Tackle. He's probably worth about 2 touchdowns ALONE


So, with the current scheme and players we're a Vince Wilfork away from playing them within a field goal?
 
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jerzeycane, your analogy to cancer is ABSURD.

First, it assumes that "blitzing" somehow leads to a bad defense later on.
 
He was not referring to blitzing with that analogy, he is referring to staying with our current defensive system to be better in the long run vs. changing what they have been teaching just to possibly gain a win or two this season with this set of players. Whether or not anyone wants to admit it, the players that are playing the best in this system are all guys that AG has brought in. He knows what he wants and is bringing in guys to fit that system. Once these young DTs get some weight room in them they will do much better. Right now we are just too young and thin at the spot.
 
Some of y'all are so Coker/Shannonized it is comical.

So you're telling me if Saban had this same exact defense that it would be ranked 118?

GET
THE
****
OUTA
HERE
 
Not having our corners up on receivers is a ****ing crime. Not only that but the lack of throwing different looks and packages at the offense is retarded to say the least. When's the last time we rushed 6 or brought a corner off the edge?

We blitzed our corners A LOT against ND, and it never worked. We don't blitz, people complain, we blitz, people either don't see it, or complain. Coach D hasn't shown much, if anything, but at least get the facts right before you complain.
 
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