Myth Busters: Lack of NFL Talent

I mean we needed a quarterback. Just because TVD didn’t pan out after the fact doesn’t mean we should have laughed him out of the building before the 2023 season. He was still a talented player coming off an injury riddled season and we needed a QB.

We haven’t underperformed for 20 years because of things like TVD or Damari Brown. The TVD stuff is the nature of the beast right now.
I sternly disagree. Tyler was benched in 2022 because of inconsistency. People made excuses and tried to justify it by claiming he was injured. He was a talented player but he did absolutely nothing in the 2022 season to justify having Emory as the backup QB. What he did do was threaten to leave and scared the staff out of pursuing other viable options. We aren't about to move goalposts here. We have underperformed for 20 years because the most important aspect of team building is competition and we fail to create that because we assume **** will happen.
 
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There's too much complacency from the top down.

At Ohio State, the President prioritizes winning at all costs. That makes the Athletic Director prioritize winning at all costs. Which makes Ryan Day prioritize it.

Its not like that at Miami. The admin got their boy in and thats good enough. No pressure from them. No pressure from Radakovich. Any pressure Mario feels is from his own internal struggle.

We also get boosted recruiting rankings by bringing in highly rated players who have "offers" and "interest" from championship programs, but aren't actually good.

And bad coaching. Guys don't know where to line up, or who's covering who. We're giving our best RB 40% of the carries. No backup QB. Ran off tackle 4 times thru 13 games.

These coaches make things harder than they are.
 
It’s the same story for twenty years. Talent somehow gets the blame despite us consistently losing to less talented teams. You don’t need to have Georgia or Ohio State’s roster to win 10 games when you play in the ACC. If we were struggling to beat the absolute best teams, I’d say “well, we’re just not as talented as them”. But we lose to Georgia Tech. We lose to Syracuse. We lose to Middle Tennessee. Even during our best seasons, we lose to mediocre ACC teams. We hire Miami guys. They fail. We tried a Penn State guy, he was even worse. We try young guys, they flop. We tried veterans. They flop. Coaching has been a far bigger issue than talent acquisition. I think a lot of that had to do with our administration being cheap and trying to get budget coaches so we got budget results.
 
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Why has this become an either/or proposition with so many of the board? It is quite possible, even quite plausible, that BOTH corching and talent deficiencies are to blame. Not everything is binary mutually exclusive in nature.
 
I sternly disagree. Tyler was benched in 2022 because of inconsistency. People made excuses and tried to justify it by claiming he was injured. He was a talented player but he did absolutely nothing in the 2022 season to justify having Emory as the backup QB. What he did do was threaten to leave and scared the staff out of pursuing other viable options. We aren't about to move goalposts here. We have underperformed for 20 years because the most important aspect of team building is competition and we fail to create that because we assume **** will happen.
Tyler was not benched in 2022. He was hurt and the other quarterbacks were so terrible they dragged him back out in one leg to play because we had literally nobody who could play better than Tyler Van Dyke with one leg. Now if you want to blame coaches for not recruiting better quarterbacks or not being able to do anything with Jake Garcia or Jacurri Brown, I’ll agree with that but those guys were exponentially worse than TVD who was already pretty bad to begin with.
 
It’s not true Monday morning QBing with TVD, he was the villain here in 2022 and brought back, after he held Mario hostage — that’s coaching incompetence.
I'm willing to throw blame Mario's way, but you lost me on this one. How is TVD holding Mario hostage, in light of the NIL landscape at that time, on Mario? Mario was supposed to know TVD was gonna pull that move and flirt with Alabama ahead of time? Mario was supposed to know that Good Tyler from Texas A&M was gonna turn into an interception machine? Mario didn't have a capable backup on the roster? <-- That actually has some merit, although we did have a couple guys on the roster in Jacurri and Emory. I'm still baffled at how that qualifies as "coaching incompetence" though.
 
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I'm willing to throw blame Mario's way, but you lost me on this one. How is TVD holding Mario hostage, in light of the NIL landscape at that time, on Mario? Mario was supposed to know TVD was gonna pull that move and flirt with Alabama ahead of time? Mario was supposed to know that Good Tyler from Texas A&M was gonna turn into an interception machine? Mario didn't have a capable backup on the roster? <-- That actually has some merit, although we did have a couple guys on the roster in Jacurri and Emory. I'm still baffled at how that qualifies as "coaching incompetence" though.

How is the alpha, roster management head coach allowing his roster to hold him hostage on the head coach?

He saw TVD didn’t work in his system in 2022 and should have moved on. He didn’t. Got held hostage. That’s on him.
 
When is this board going to get it through their collective thick head, that Mario is the only coach that could get the commitment and support from the powers that be to even possibly get Miami back to being Miami. We better hope Mario keeps building on this past year's success because if he doesn't work out, you can turn off the lights.
 
Tyler was not benched in 2022. He was hurt and the other quarterbacks were so terrible they dragged him back out in one leg to play because we had literally nobody who could play better than Tyler Van Dyke with one leg. Now if you want to blame coaches for not recruiting better quarterbacks or not being able to do anything with Jake Garcia or Jacurri Brown, I’ll agree with that but those guys were exponentially worse than TVD who was already pretty bad to begin with.
Was Tyler hurt vs MTSU? They all sucked which is even more reason Mario should have identified backup/competition for Tyler prior to the 2023 season.
 
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Agree with the post overall, but I think our talent slipped big-time under Richt and Manny. That’s why our active NFL numbers are lower now than any time I can remember.

Shannon and Golden brought in much better talent, and Mario is starting to right the ship in terms of talent acquisition.
 
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Everything @Rellyrell said was on point. I still laugh thinking about the people who tried to use the "lack of talent" excuse when Mario lost to MTSU.
I’m just putting this out there that is the worst Miami roster I’ve ever seen here. Nothing like a gattis power scheme with Lucious Stanley toting the rock behind an oline across the board of 6’ 2 and 290 pounds.
 
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This along w/ other future post are not meant to offend; but, for the next few months I will be resurrecting my series on “Myth Busters” surrounding various narratives used to justify/excuse the mediocrity surrounding The University of Miami circa 2004.

A little something about me: I HATE excuses, b/c
-they attempt to lessen the blame or seek to defend/justify
-(If you pledge any African-American Greek organization): Excuses are tools of incompetence used to build bridges to nowhere and monuments of nothingness.

Even though some excuses may have merit, more often than not it pacifies a status quo. With that being said, let’s dive into Myth Buster #2: We haven’t had ‘The Caliber of Talent.’

It may be true we haven’t had the caliber of talent to compete with the O$Us, Bamas, etc., U might be surprised that couldn’t be further from the truth in The ACC. Currently The []_[] sits at a paltry 95-74 (.562 winning %) in ACC Conference play since 2004.

Whether it’s been Coker, Shannon, Golden, Richt, Diaz, or now Mario there’s been this polarizing divide to justify inexcusable loses to certain programs (I’ll get to this in a moment). It’s Coker’s players fault, no it’s Shannon’s player’s fault! Wait, it’s DEFINITELY Golden’s player’s fault! Richt couldn’t recruit & it’s his player’s fault! No, no, no, IT’S LIPSY DIAZ’S player’s fault!!!!!

The commonality? No matter who’s the coach, no matter the era, they all produced mediocre results b/c apparently, none had enough “talent” & it’s always the predecessor’s fault. So let’s examine this claim, & we’re focusing strictly on the ACC, b/c before we can consider how we compare to others, we must examine how we compare to our current peers.

Did you know:
-Since 2004: The University of Miami has more draft picks than any other school in this conference?
Here are the # of NFL draft picks as of 2024’s draft (pls note, this will not include SMU or Cal since they are new members nor will it include former ACC member Maryland)
1. Miami - 100
T-2. FSU - 96
T-2. Clemson - 96
4. VT -63
5. UNC - 62
6. NCST - 53
T-7. BC - 40*
T-7 UVA - 40
9. WF - 34
T-10. GT - 32
T-10. Pitt - 32*
12. UL - 27*
13. Duke - 12
14. Cuse - 11*

*BC joined the ACC in 2005, Syracuse & Pitt joined in 2013, & UL joined in 2014

OK that’s great intel, but if you have followed any of my post, you know I’m big on the ‘quality’ of NFL prospects a team may have. I’ve posted indisputable evidence that the upper echelons have rosters filled with Day 1 & 2 guys or Rds 1-3. Don’t worry I’ve diagnosed this, as well.

Did you know:
-Since 2004: The University of Miami has produced the 3rd most Top-3 round draft picks in the ACC? Here’s the list as of 2024:
1. FSU - 48
2. Clemson - 45
3. Miami - 37
4. UNC - 25
T-5. BC - 21
T-5. VT - 21
T-5. NCSt - 21
8. UVA - 13
T-9. GT - 11
T-9. UL - 11
11. Pitt - 8
12. WF - 7
13. Cuse - 5
14. Duke - 4

Now let’s address the next elephant in the room, recruiting. This has been a soar, & quite contentious topic. Would it surprise you that The []_[] since 2004 has the 2nd highest avg. recruiting class in the ACC? Would it surprise you that our classes has ranked, on avg., in the Top 15 in the Nation? Here are the rankings:
1. FSU (10th)
2. Miami (13th)
3. Clemson (15th)
4. UNC (25th)
5. VT (32nd)
6. UL (40th)
7. NCSt (42nd)
T-8. Pitt (46th)
T-8. UVA (46th)
10. GT (48th)
11. BC (56th)
T-12. Duke (58th)
T-12. Cuse (58th)
14. WF (65th)

So on paper, we’ve:
-Produced more NFL talent than any ACC team since joining
-Produced the 3rd most quality NFL talent than any ACC team since joining
-Have the 2nd highest avg. recruiting ranking since joining the ACC

So how it that:
•VT has 4 ACC crowns despite being ranked 4th, 5th, & 5th in these same categories
•GT has 1 ACC crown despite being ranked 10th, 9th, & 10th in these same categories
•WF has 1 ACC crown despite being ranked 9th, 12, & 14th in the same categories

While we can’t claim 1?

How are we:
3-3 v. BC
11-9 v. GT
4-3 v. NCSt.
3-2 v. UL
1-1 v. Syracuse
8-12 v. UNC

When on paper, our talent has been far superior?

So the ? is, is the “lack of talent” narrative a fact or a myth to excuse mediocrity? Based upon the information provided, I’ll allow the board to decide.
SP 17 Alpha here, had to spit excuses so many times lol but based on this def the coaching, no way we should be dropping games to teams with lesser talent. Miami has been doing less with more since I've been a fan. If we had a coach like a Brohm at L'Ville running things with our talent we'd be very successful (no shade to Mario, I actually think he's doing well). Coaches that are tacticians always seem to carve us up and cause issues.
 
Simple answer is the people in charge are 100% at fault, not the coaching staffs im talking the people who really call shots..Those people don't know **** about football and they ran a great football program into the ground year by year

Our coaches after butch:

Coker; zero head coaching experience
Shannon; zero head coaching experience
Golden; only head coaching experience at temple
Ritch; 17 years at Georgia
Manny; zero head coaching experience
Mario; 14 years at FIU & Oregon

6 coaches since 2000, only 1 had no connection to miami and he was from temple lol, 3 had zero head coaching experience before here.

im a process over results guy, i was someone who wanted mario and was cool with the ritch hire but i still i hated that after 20 years of bad hires we STILL didn’t do a real open coaching search lol we literally just hired a miami guy but with experience lol..

It’s insane how stupid we are, but mediocre effort and knowledge gets you mediocre results so that explains why even with good talent it’s been a cycle of mediocrity over and over again
The Curse of the Orange Bowl screws with all facets of the program. The Dolphins know too.
 
too many guys didnt even read....this is about us vs ACC
the eyes dont lie, common sense dont lie
for 20 years we been doin the same **** thing no matter the coach...lose to teams we out-talent by a mile once there is tape on us...coach after coach after coach
what does that tell you?
oh, and we'll do the same **** again next year for all the "now we've fixed everything" people
 
Agree with the post overall, but I think our talent slipped big-time under Richt and Manny. That’s why our active NFL numbers are lower now than any time I can remember.

Shannon and Golden brought in much better talent, and Mario is starting to right the ship in terms of talent acquisition.
Need to hit the portal hard after spring.
 
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