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My View on Carson Beck

E1k said:
Basically an above average to good college qb that will be as good as his support system is

Dawson has had solid to good to great offenses with 3 different qbs in the last 3-4 years so i trust him. Now we have to upgrade some of the talent on offense, thru the portal and development of the WRs/RBs/TEs/OL we already have

Me personally i think i want top a RB out of the portal just as much i want a top WR. Saw people say we could risk losing a RB but i don’t think we have anyone i would really sweat if we were getting a top guy to replace them. And even tho its different, we aren’t worried about losing a WR by going for a top portal wr so why worry about losing a rb?

But as far as beck he wont be anywhere close to cam, we most likely wont have the #1 offense in the country from literally week 1 to 12. Probably wont be a heisman finalist here,wont be considered the best qb in the country but he is one of the best options of all the qbs that entered the portal and good enough for us to compete for the acc and get in the top12(should have been this year lol)

Salute to mario/dawson for getting him, if he plays well this could end up completely killing the perception of mario & qbs if it’s not already dead.
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I think Beck is a good college QB with the ability/potential to be very good as long he's in ideal circumstances with strong protection, run game and good receivers.

I'm with you regarding the RB but it would need to be another Damien Martinez level of back. Losing Lyles for a back with a lower ceiling would hurt.
 
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PSU Cane said:
I didn't watch Beck much while at UGA so i wanted to see how bad these turnovers were. A few things stood out to me.
- When Cam was at his best, his back foot planted after his drop and he let it rip. With Beck, many times there was a pause for a one or two count after his drop before he let it rip. Some could be his WRs and dog**** routes...but i think some is recognition and/or waiting to clear. He needs to see it faster and not allow DBs to watch his eyes and drive on it. Rep this time and time again in practice.
- When Beck throws picks, he tends to be high. Even near INTs were due to being high. That's his footwork. He throws while drifting or off his back foot a lot. I thought maybe it was just due to poor OL play, and while 2023 was a bit better, i still saw it and the resulting high throws. If i'm Dawson, the absolute first thing i do is work on his footwork.
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This is some really good insight.

I wonder if his injury could be a blessing in disguise. Let's focus more of field work on footwork fundamentals and core work.
 
Cane4life18 said:
I wanted to post my thoughts on us being able to land Carson Beck and also my expectations now with Beck at the helm.

I was initially going to write this post yesterday but waited to let the excitement fade a bit so I can be as objective as possible.
When Mario deserves criticism I don't hesitate to slam Mario with criticism but that isn't the case here. Mario deserves a ton of praise. He saw Emory during the 2nd half of the bowl game and addressed a clear issue with a resounding resolution. For that, Mario deserves some love. Now onto Beck:

Carson Beck comes over from UGA where he held a 22-3 record as the starter for Georgia. Those 3 losses occurred in the 2023 SEC championship against Bama, losing again to Bama during the regular season and a loss to Ole Miss as well this past season.

Beck comes off of a down year where he threw for 3,485yds, 28TDs and 12Ints while posting a Qbr of 80.8(8th highest in the country). He averaged 7.8yds per throw while being sacked on 18 times on 448 pass attempts

This comes after Beck's 23' season where he threw for 3,941yds, 24TDs and 6Ints. He averaged 9.5yds per throw while being sacked 11 times on 417 pass attempts. Also of note: Beck's supporting cast that year was Brock Browers(R1: 13th pick) and Ladd McConkey(R2: 34th pick) as the pass catchers. He also had a much better offensive line as Amarius Mims( R1: 18th pick) and Sedrick Van Prand (R5: 141st pick).


I view Beck as a QB that can push the ball to all 3 levels of the field. A strong enough arm to deliver a 15yd deep out from the opposite hash and deliver the ball on a 60Yd go route. Beck will challenge tight windows and can also change the pace of how he delivers the ball and throw with touch when needed.

Something that plagued Beck this year was turnovers and this can be directly attributed to poor offensive line play by Georgia but also poor decision making from Beck. This is highlighted during the game against Florida where Florida really dominated the LOS against Georgia and made things difficult for Beck. The drop-off in receiving talent further complicated the issue. Beck seems to thrive when he has a strong running game he can use to play off of with playaction and really push the ball vertically.

The floor with Beck, in my opinion is 8 wins. I know some of you may be surprised by that number but things I factored in: Georgia has a top 5 headcoach in Kirby Smart. Georgia also has a top 5 program in the nation right now. As things stand right now, I view Miami and UGA having equal offensive talent while Miamj holds an edge at OL, UGA holds an edge at TE and RB with WR being a push. Another thing, I'm not sure how much of a leader Carson Beck is; will he be able to will us to victory? I question it. Another thing to consider with Beck is how will he bounce back from injury? Also, our defense was putrid against any offense with a semblance of a pulse, how much improvement can we expect out of a defense that's going to playing an entirely new system?

The ceiling with Beck is 11 wins during the regular season, an ACCCG appearance and a 1st round CFP appearance/exit. This would require a lot to go right. Beck would have to return to his 2023 form. Mario continuing to kneel on the ball at the end of games. Adequate kicking from our new kicker. Improved special teams play. Our OL would have to continue their performance by following up on a very good 23' season and good 24' season. Our running game would need to step up. Lofoton takes the next step in his development. Bauman continuing his production from Tulane. CJ Daniel's returns to his Liberty form. JoJo, and NyCarr take a few steps forward in their overall development. One of RayRay, Malachi Toney, or Dylan Upshaw really stepping up to produce in the slot for us. Probably the most important factor is the defense showing vast improvement. Not to forget a relatively healthy year from the team. This is asking a lot from Miami's roster. I know some of you probably question why I have Miami as a 1st round CFP exit and that's because I question Beck's ability to will a team to victory. Football isn't a one player sport but QB is the most important, and impacful, position in the sport. We just had the best player/QB in all of the sport and still failed to reach the ACCCG and CFP so this is no slight against Beck I'm just stating what I think.

If I was a betting man, I think we land somewhere in the middle which would probably be 10 wins. As long as those 10 wins include UF, FSU, and ND I can live with it.

What do you guys think?

Go Canes!
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Good write up - few thoughts

Cant look at record
- Georgia D is elite
- We wasted an elite O - they wasted a GREAT D

OL
- Good call out however not sure you captured how bad
- They were 103 in running the ball - with a pretty strong starting QB

WRs
- Yes you mentioned they lost WRs & TEs this past year
- However they also led CFB in dropped passes - one thing to lose talent, another when they cant catch
 
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filmcane said:
This is a reasonable take. I am more optimistic. If Beck is healthy and wants it - and we'll see if he does - the sky is the limit with this team.
The current favorite to win the natty is a team with 2 losses. I think with Beck, even if we have 2 losses next year, I believe we'll probably get in.

That's assuming we lose the ACC CH GM.

And, if Beck is healthy and he's motivated like it looks like he is, he WILL be in the Heisman conversation because he was already in that convo last year.

Hot Take: if we beat ND and we don't win in spite of him - ie. he performs well - he will automatically be elevated as a top 5 Heisman candidate. And, if he beats FLA, he will probably be the frontrunner.
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I don’t think we have near the same level of talent as osu..Cant say sky is the limit with our current roster imo too many unknowns, when you are a championship contender there aren’t many

I wouldn’t be shocked if beck is in the heisman race tho, Dawson offense is gonna get the qb his numbers but i think there will be better candidates.
 
grover said:
Respectfully, feels like you're grading vs Ward, not vs. the curve.
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I wasn’t, that’s just my opinion on him.

It kinda showed, 2023 he had an elite supporting cast, 24 he had a mid supporting cast. Still was good but his play depends alot on what’s around him

Above average to good isn’t bad. I don’t think he’s great. I don’t think many college qbs are great lol so the scale im grading on is just my view of college qbs in general
 
E1k said:
I don’t think we have near the same level of talent as osu..Cant say sky is the limit with our current roster imo too many unknowns, when you are a championship contender there aren’t many

I wouldn’t be shocked if beck is in the heisman race tho, Dawson offense is gonna get the qb his numbers but i think there will be better candidates.
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Anyone who has watched them the last couple games and thinks otherwise should seek medical attention.
 
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I agree with much of what you said. Regarding Beck, it really comes down to two questions for me:
1.) How quickly and effectively can he recover from this injury? I would prefer he were healthy now so he can start working with Dawson to learn the offense and start building chemistry with the receivers. This is the hand we’re dealt though so we got to roll with it.
2.) Is he coming here focused and ready to improve his draft stock while helping compete for a championship, or will he be distracted by the city of Miami and his famous girlfriend? Everyone talks about Cam’s athleticism, arm, etc. but it was his leadership that led by example.

If the answer is in our favor to both of these questions there’s absolutely zero reason we shouldn’t at least make the playoff, bare minimum. Beck’s track record leads me to believe we’ll be okay.
 
filmcane said:
This is a reasonable take. I am more optimistic. If Beck is healthy and wants it - and we'll see if he does - the sky is the limit with this team.
The current favorite to win the natty is a team with 2 losses. I think with Beck, even if we have 2 losses next year, I believe we'll probably get in.

That's assuming we lose the ACC CH GM.

And, if Beck is healthy and he's motivated like it looks like he is, he WILL be in the Heisman conversation because he was already in that convo last year.

Hot Take: if we beat ND and we don't win in spite of him - ie. he performs well - he will automatically be elevated as a top 5 Heisman candidate. And, if he beats FLA, he will probably be the frontrunner.
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DoctorKrazey said:
I agree with much of what you said. Regarding Beck, it really comes down to two questions for me:
1.) How quickly and effectively can he recover from this injury? I would prefer he were healthy now so he can start working with Dawson to learn the offense and start building chemistry with the receivers. This is the hand we’re dealt though so we got to roll with it.
2.) Is he coming here focused and ready to improve his draft stock while helping compete for a championship, or will he be distracted by the city of Miami and his famous girlfriend? Everyone talks about Cam’s athleticism, arm, etc. but it was his leadership that led by example.

If the answer is in our favor to both of these questions there’s absolutely zero reason we shouldn’t at least make the playoff, bare minimum. Beck’s track record leads me to believe we’ll be okay.
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1. A nugget from The Athletic article by Manny was Beck spent 5hrs with Dawson watching film. He may not be able to throw and get the timing down until summer but he'll be able work on getting mental reps. He can also go through the motions of the offense without necessarily throwing. He can gain an edge just by attacking the other areas (footwork, progression, understanding of defensive alignment, checks and calls) of the offense.

2. I agree with you but Beck doesn't look like a kid whose an unfocused party animal. I hope he understands he's heading into his final year of college and needs to make the most of it if he wants to be the high round draft pick that he has the potential to be.
 
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Cane4life18 said:
1. A nugget from The Athletic article by Manny was Beck spent 5hrs with Dawson watching film. He may not be able to throw and get the timing down until summer but he'll be able work on getting mental reps. He can also go through the motions of the offense without necessarily throwing. He can gain an edge just by attacking the other areas (footwork, progression, understanding of defensive alignment, checks and calls) of the offense.

2. I agree with you but Beck doesn't look like a kid whose an unfocused party animal. I hope he understands he's heading into his final year of college and needs to make the most of it if he wants to be a high round draft pick that he has the potential to be.
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Got to believe after seeing the significant improvement in draft status that Ward achieved that Beck is coming in motivated .... that means film study with Dawson / Emory / Luke ... being present for off season QB work with the WR's (watching / participating / encouraging). As you say it begins with the leadership / total immersion mindset and then transfers to the field once he can throw. Exciting season coming up ... again.
 
Cane_J15 said:
What happened? Why did they not go after any other qbs besides Maater? With Beck declaring seems like his mind was elsewhere so they couldnt have known he was a guarantee. Any idea what they were thinking?
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I’d be lying if I said I knew completely

Two years in a row feels like we played a dangerous game of chicken

I will say that I understand the hype and hysteria when the portal opens, but sometimes I do like Mario’s approach to things (even if it is terrifying at times)
 
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PSU Cane said:
I didn't watch Beck much while at UGA so i wanted to see how bad these turnovers were. A few things stood out to me.
- When Cam was at his best, his back foot planted after his drop and he let it rip. With Beck, many times there was a pause for a one or two count after his drop before he let it rip. Some could be his WRs and dog**** routes...but i think some is recognition and/or waiting to clear. He needs to see it faster and not allow DBs to watch his eyes and drive on it. Rep this time and time again in practice.
- When Beck throws picks, he tends to be high. Even near INTs were due to being high. That's his footwork. He throws while drifting or off his back foot a lot. I thought maybe it was just due to poor OL play, and while 2023 was a bit better, i still saw it and the resulting high throws. If i'm Dawson, the absolute first thing i do is work on his footwork.
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Could some of the hesitation be the result of WRs? I don’t know much about the offense but have read Bobo’s offense relies heavily on the WRs recognizing and not adjusting routes. Maybe Beck actually saw it and had the right read in mind but the WR not on the same page? Dawsons will be a lot more friendly on his reads.
 
We could see a McCord 2.0 situation, while having good numbers at an elite school the season before, transfers and explodes even more the next year at a different school. Pretty similar situations given offensive philosophy changes and in regards to Miami talent around him on offense too
 
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JHallCanes said:
I’d be lying if I said I knew completely

Two years in a row feels like we played a dangerous game of chicken

I will say that I understand the hype and hysteria when the portal opens, but sometimes I do like Mario’s approach to things (even if it is terrifying at times)
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I cant say i like it but i do like the outcome so far at QB anyway lol definitely was terrifying after they rode with the secondary last year and hearing what they think of Emory in the building.. i was definitely worried. At least where we stand today i can ride with that we do need a couple more pieces
 
Cane_J15 said:
I cant say i like it but i do like the outcome so far at QB anyway lol definitely was terrifying after they rode with the secondary last year and hearing what they think of Emory in the building.. i was definitely worried. At least where we stand today i can ride with that we do need a couple more pieces
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I hated, hated, hated how Mario put on his blinders and only pursued Ward and Mateer. At least he started with Ward, Howard and Taulia last year. This year, I think Mario was certain he was going to land Mateer and was in shock when the kid went to OU instead. We lucked out with Beck. Those were the only two who were playoff caliber in the portal, IMO.

Fortunately, we have a winner in Nickel. He should give us 2026 and 2027 to build a deeper QB room. Not sure the other guys are P4 level, much less playoff caliber.
 
grover said:
I hated, hated, hated how Mario put on his blinders and only pursued Ward and Mateer. At least he started with Ward, Howard and Taulia last year. This year, I think Mario was certain he was going to land Mateer and was in shock when the kid went to OU instead. We lucked out with Beck. Those were the only two who were playoff caliber in the portal, IMO.

Fortunately, we have a winner in Nickel. He should give us 2026 and 2027 to build a deeper QB room. Not sure the other guys are P4 level, much less playoff caliber.
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I feel u! If Beck didnt come back im sure we would have gotten stuck with someone unproven. Hopefully Nickel is ready and the 26 kid turns out good and we dont have tonworry about QB for a while. Hopefully this DC gets our defense straight.
 
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