My thoughts on the class (long)

[arcane]

1) If you think Berrios and McKenzie are the same size then you obviously havent seen either. Berrios is a thicker build. (More Smoss like) and Mckenzie is more Roscoe Parrish. Golden is like Butch. He doesnt like frail looking athletes. Shrugs. We will see if he was dumb or not very soon for not offering. We know how Roscoe turned out.

2) As far as Dowels, I will let WildcatDefense dig in your a$$ on this one. Im sure he will be here in a minute..

3) And as far as Powell is concerned. This is the coaches fault. But I guess they were too busy worrying about DCook that they let this guy slip through the cracks. (Or thats prob how Powell felt)

As somone once told me, "You messin' up yo' fa sho pu$$y, tryna get some mo' pu$$y".. Powell was in the bag and we let him get away. And Cook ended up gettin away in the end anyway. Smh.

1. Berrios and McKenzie are listed as being virtually the same size by 247. Hey, maybe that's deceiving, but the fact is that Berrios is small. If the coaches are so stubborn on size, why Berrios? We had Bethel committed for a long time. Dixon isn't 6', and we wanted him. They went out and signed Corn Elder late in the cycle last season. RLIII is small (extenuating circumstances acknowledged). Anyway, I don't see this stubbornness on size that he claims. Berrios is an off-the-charts athlete, and Kaaya wanted him badly. That's good enough for me, and best of luck to McKenzie, who I think will be very good. And if Golden is like Butch, I'll take that all day.

2. Dowels is a great football player. I really like the way he plays, so there's no need for Wildcat to come in and defend him. However, when the kid's best offer is Syracuse (no way he had offers from Clemson and Oklahoma like he claims), well, Miami isn't the only team missing out.

3. How is something relating to transcripts the coaches' fault? No one has even tried to answer that question. The kid wanted an out, UF.ag was the offer he wanted, and he took it when it came. Simple as that. If the kid wanted to be a Cane, he would've waited the 2 days like Yearby did.

I agree that Powell wanted an out - he wanted that UiF offer.

What I will say though is that we had two days to close the deal. We shouldn't have kids waiting around on campus for Admissions to sort out some red tape. Powell should be a Cane because we SHOULD have locked that down the second he stepped onto campus to sign his papers as an EE. That's a huge **** up by someone.

People need to be removed from their jobs for allowing that to happen.

1. No way that UM is going to start firing employees because some kid is too impatient to wait a couple of days.
2. Despite whatever we have heard and believed, it may have been more than a matter of "red tape." There may have been some substantive issues about his status.
3. If Brandon didn't have the enthusiasm and commitment to get beyond this allegedly minor matter of "red tape," would he really be disciplined enough to get up at 5 AM for Utough, study the playbook, and execute his assignments on the field?

I just don't think he actually wanted to wind up at UM. I also suspect that he really liked T-Rob.

 

[52CANES]

Well thought out OP. Agree with what you said and agree that if Golden can't win with this talent someone else will.

And in 10 years will we be begging to have Golden come in and replace whomever is coaching here because he was the genius who built a winner?

 

[sebastian91]

Well thought out OP. Agree with what you said and agree that if Golden can't win with this talent someone else will.

And in 10 years will we be begging to have Golden come in and replace whomever is coaching here because he was the genius who built a winner?

"From National Chumps to National Champs - Thanks Al"...I can see the banner now.

 

[Coach Macho]

If we're so stubborn on size, why did we sign Berrios? Kinda shoots down the McKenzie argument, no?

Why do you think we didn't offer McKenzie? Athletic ability? You didn't answer my question, but they obviously liked Berrios more.

And come on, Dowels? Offers from Rutgers, Utah, Appalachian State, NIU, and Cuse? That's the kind of kid that this and previous staffs have gotten murdered for signing in the past.

Offers from Clemson and Oklahoma. Both teams looked pretty good last time I saw them. 247 doesn't list offers from either of them...and if he did have offers from them, you're telling me he chose Cuse over those two? Right.

Are you suggesting that Miami coaches start the rumors of kids getting paid because they can't admit defeat? You lose all credibility with me if that's the case.

OK. I'll take that as a 'yes'. Total buffoonery.

How was Powell's defection a total ***** up?

He is a 4.0+ student who waited two days because of "transcripts." I'll let you fill in the blanks. How is that the coaches fault, since you claim I only disagreed with things that are critical of the coaches (yet I apparently agreed with your point about the defense...Imagine that. If the kid wanted to be a Cane, he would've waited 2 freaking days. Please.

It's a little contradictory to say that QB is the strongest position in the class, but the QB recruiting was 'clumsy' (I happen to agree with the latter, although that has nothing to do with Flowers or Treon).

QB is the strongest position in the class because Kaaya is an excellent prospect. I said we should've offered Treon as a QB in the spring. The fact that we did so in January (when he didn't grow an inch) suggests that something was wrong with our approach. Or that the Treon camp said they might be open to a position change if he was given a shot at QB.

This is just dumb. The vast majority of us are firmly in the middle of these two groups.

But yet the only points you disagree with are the points that are critical of our coaches. I stand by my position that the fan base is polarized. What does Powell have to do with the coaches? Did I disagree about the defense being the new 'cloud'?

Snore. More BS.

247 deez nuts.

I've known Dowels for years.

He had legit offers from Texas A&M, Clemson, Oklahoma, Cincinnati, Syracuse, etc.

And yes, he CHOSE to go to Syracuse.

 

[Coach Macho]

And come on, Dowels? Offers from Rutgers, Utah, Appalachian State, NIU, and Cuse? That's the kind of kid that this and previous staffs have gotten murdered for signing in the past.

Offers from Clemson and Oklahoma. Both teams looked pretty good last time I saw them.


But yet the only points you disagree with are the points that are critical of our coaches. I stand by my position that the fan base is polarized.

So the kid really had offers from OU and Clemson? He didn't visit either school but he did visit Northern Illinois, Utah, Rutgers and would up at Syracuse.

Guys who really have offers from BCS bowl teams don't visit the places he visited.

This kid does.

He's nothing like anybody you've ever met. For christ sake, he literally had zero interest in Texas A&M and that was his first major offer. He was on the fence with Oklahoma and Syracuse and once OU beat Alabama their CB class filled up.

 

[fincane]

If we're so stubborn on size, why did we sign Berrios? Kinda shoots down the McKenzie argument, no?

Why do you think we didn't offer McKenzie? Athletic ability? You didn't answer my question, but they obviously liked Berrios more.

And come on, Dowels? Offers from Rutgers, Utah, Appalachian State, NIU, and Cuse? That's the kind of kid that this and previous staffs have gotten murdered for signing in the past.

Offers from Clemson and Oklahoma. Both teams looked pretty good last time I saw them. 247 doesn't list offers from either of them...and if he did have offers from them, you're telling me he chose Cuse over those two? Right.



OK. I'll take that as a 'yes'. Total buffoonery.



He is a 4.0+ student who waited two days because of "transcripts." I'll let you fill in the blanks. How is that the coaches fault, since you claim I only disagreed with things that are critical of the coaches (yet I apparently agreed with your point about the defense...Imagine that. If the kid wanted to be a Cane, he would've waited 2 freaking days. Please.

It's a little contradictory to say that QB is the strongest position in the class, but the QB recruiting was 'clumsy' (I happen to agree with the latter, although that has nothing to do with Flowers or Treon).

QB is the strongest position in the class because Kaaya is an excellent prospect. I said we should've offered Treon as a QB in the spring. The fact that we did so in January (when he didn't grow an inch) suggests that something was wrong with our approach. Or that the Treon camp said they might be open to a position change if he was given a shot at QB.

This is just dumb. The vast majority of us are firmly in the middle of these two groups.

But yet the only points you disagree with are the points that are critical of our coaches. I stand by my position that the fan base is polarized. What does Powell have to do with the coaches? Did I disagree about the defense being the new 'cloud'?

Snore. More BS.

247 deez nuts.

I've known Dowels for years.

He had legit offers from Texas A&M, Clemson, Oklahoma, Cincinnati, Syracuse, etc.

And yes, he CHOSE to go to Syracuse.

Why didn't he visit any of those schools besides Syracuse? Why was he taking a trip to Northern Illinois after committing while he had A&M, Clemson and Syracuse offers that he could pick and choose from? Is he the one kid who rather trip and commit to Northern Illinois instead of even visiting BCS bowl schools?

 

[Coach Macho]

Dowels was Broward player of the year and got offered by A&M, Clemson, and Oklahoma. Nice for you to leave that out

When the facts don't fit your argument, avoid the facts.

Actually Sebastian addressed that directly, then why would he choose Syracuse if he could have gone to Ok or A&M?

Why would AQM choose Miami when he could go to Bama?

Ask Chad Thomas.

Dowels visited Northern Illinios, Utah, Rutgers and Cuse. IF all those high level BCS offers were really on the table why didn't he at least visit those schools. If you want to try to sell me on him falling in love with Syracuse go ahead. But no way you can sell me on why he didn't at least visit places like Clemson, A&M and Oklahoma if they really had a spot waiting for him.

edit: I see sebastian made my point first.

Other than OU, he wasn't interested in those schools. Why is that so hard for people to believe?

On top of that...

Why is it so hard for people to believe that the Broward County Defensive Player of the Year, who lead the state in interceptions and was 1st team All-State, had offers from major BCS programs.

Turn on some film for christ sake.

 

[Coach Macho]

If we're so stubborn on size, why did we sign Berrios? Kinda shoots down the McKenzie argument, no?

Why do you think we didn't offer McKenzie? Athletic ability? You didn't answer my question, but they obviously liked Berrios more.



Offers from Clemson and Oklahoma. Both teams looked pretty good last time I saw them. 247 doesn't list offers from either of them...and if he did have offers from them, you're telling me he chose Cuse over those two? Right.



OK. I'll take that as a 'yes'. Total buffoonery.



He is a 4.0+ student who waited two days because of "transcripts." I'll let you fill in the blanks. How is that the coaches fault, since you claim I only disagreed with things that are critical of the coaches (yet I apparently agreed with your point about the defense...Imagine that. If the kid wanted to be a Cane, he would've waited 2 freaking days. Please.



QB is the strongest position in the class because Kaaya is an excellent prospect. I said we should've offered Treon as a QB in the spring. The fact that we did so in January (when he didn't grow an inch) suggests that something was wrong with our approach. Or that the Treon camp said they might be open to a position change if he was given a shot at QB.

This is just dumb. The vast majority of us are firmly in the middle of these two groups.

But yet the only points you disagree with are the points that are critical of our coaches. I stand by my position that the fan base is polarized. What does Powell have to do with the coaches? Did I disagree about the defense being the new 'cloud'?

Snore. More BS.

247 deez nuts.

I've known Dowels for years.

He had legit offers from Texas A&M, Clemson, Oklahoma, Cincinnati, Syracuse, etc.

And yes, he CHOSE to go to Syracuse.

Why didn't he visit any of those schools besides Syracuse? Why was he taking a trip to Northern Illinois after committing while he had A&M, Clemson and Syracuse offers that he could pick and choose from? Is he the one kid who rather trip and commit to Northern Illinois instead of even visiting BCS bowl schools?

The NIU offer was one of his first offers, guy. That's why.

 

[fincane]

When the facts don't fit your argument, avoid the facts.

Actually Sebastian addressed that directly, then why would he choose Syracuse if he could have gone to Ok or A&M?

Why would AQM choose Miami when he could go to Bama?

Ask Chad Thomas.

Dowels visited Northern Illinios, Utah, Rutgers and Cuse. IF all those high level BCS offers were really on the table why didn't he at least visit those schools. If you want to try to sell me on him falling in love with Syracuse go ahead. But no way you can sell me on why he didn't at least visit places like Clemson, A&M and Oklahoma if they really had a spot waiting for him.

edit: I see sebastian made my point first.

Other than OU, he wasn't interested in those schools. Why is that so hard for people to believe?

On top of that...

Why is it so hard for people to believe that the Broward County Defensive Player of the Year, who lead the state in interceptions and was 1st team All-State, had offers from major BCS programs.

Turn on some film for christ sake.

Why is it so hard for people to believe? Because it is incongruent with everything we've seen that a kid from south Florida would rather play at Northern Illinois then the schools you keep telling me he had offers from. It isn't impossible but it isn't very likely. Since you know him, why were Clemson and A&M not interesting but Northern Illinois was?

 

[Coach Macho]

Mike Rumph and I talk every once and a while and last night we spoke for about 45 minutes about Miami and their recruiting. We talked about Dowels, McKenzie, etc etc etc.

On McKenzie, we both agreed that a kid who embarrasses legit South FLA high school talent on a regular basis should be offered. 5'8". 6'7". 4'5". I don't give a ****. You make an exception for some players, and McKenzie was the kind of athlete that you make an exception for.

On Dowels, Rumph said he's the best Corner he's ever seen, literally. He said that he's NEVER seen anyone cover McKenzie until Dowels got on campus, and Dowels didn't allow him to catch a single pass that whole week. His exact words were "****, I couldn't cover that kid in my prime." He said scouts would come to look at other kids and they would see Dowels and immediately pick up their cell phones to call their head coach. That's exactly how he got his Oklahoma offer. Scouts would say "Coach I never seen anybody play man coverage like this." Then he spoke about how Dowels basically dominated Winky Flowers and Durante in their game against Miami Jackson.

He said the same thing I've been saying for months, you offer those kids despite a lack of inches or pounds. On Dowels, you sacrifice 10 pounds so you can have the best cover Corner in South Florida. On McKenzie, you sacrifice his lack of size so you can sign the most explosive player in Broward County.

If that ****ery wasn't enough you can add the non-recruitment of Battle. Good enough for LSU but not good enough for Miami. Dowels = good enough for A&M, Clemson and Oklahoma but not good enough for Miami. McKenzie = good enough for ND, Florida and Georgia but not good enough for Miami. Scouts literally come down and here and say "Miami doesn't want you son? Well come onnnnn downnnn."

Rumph also told me that Miami rarely shows their face at Heritage, that's why his kids could give two ***** about that school. Take that for what it's worth. Yall keep on proceeding with your blind faith, meanwhile the best play-makers from South Florida are going elsewhere. Who wants the state leader in interceptions, the kid who blankets Ermon Lane's of the world, give me Ryan Mayes baby!

 

[Coach Macho]

Actually Sebastian addressed that directly, then why would he choose Syracuse if he could have gone to Ok or A&M?

Why would AQM choose Miami when he could go to Bama?

Ask Chad Thomas.

Dowels visited Northern Illinios, Utah, Rutgers and Cuse. IF all those high level BCS offers were really on the table why didn't he at least visit those schools. If you want to try to sell me on him falling in love with Syracuse go ahead. But no way you can sell me on why he didn't at least visit places like Clemson, A&M and Oklahoma if they really had a spot waiting for him.

edit: I see sebastian made my point first.

Other than OU, he wasn't interested in those schools. Why is that so hard for people to believe?

On top of that...

Why is it so hard for people to believe that the Broward County Defensive Player of the Year, who lead the state in interceptions and was 1st team All-State, had offers from major BCS programs.

Turn on some film for christ sake.

Why is it so hard for people to believe? Because it is incongruent with everything we've seen that a kid from south Florida would rather play at Northern Illinois then the schools you keep telling me he had offers from. It isn't impossible but it isn't very likely. Since you know him, why were Clemson and A&M not interesting but Northern Illinois was?

First off, he's far from a typical South Florida kid. Very quiet and very humble. A leader and not a follower.

Second, as I already said, the NIU offer came long before the other major offers.

He simply never had any interest in A&M. We didn't understand it ourselves. The Oklahoma and Clemson offers came at the exact same time. The OU offer kinda over-powered the Clemson offer IMO. He was interested in OU and was gonna visit there but once they beat Bama their CB class filled up and he was left out. I thought he should've committed to OU on the spot but that's not what he wanted.

You don't know this kid. He's a different type of character.

Why would any of us lie about his offers? Honestly...he's the best CB in South FLA and most people know that. Whether he had major offers or not is **** near irrelevant. All you gotta do is turn on the tape or do a little research on Dowels. Go look at what certified ex-NFL guys are saying about him. If you wanna play that offer game then why the **** would we offer Turner and Mayes?

 

[fincane]

Mike Rumph and I talk every once and a while and last night we spoke for about 45 minutes about Miami and their recruiting. We talked about Dowels, McKenzie, etc etc etc.

On McKenzie, we both agreed that a kid who embarrasses legit South FLA high school talent on a regular basis should be offered. 5'8". 6'7". 4'5". I don't give a ****. You make an exception for some players, and McKenzie was the kind of athlete that you make an exception for.

On Dowels, Rumph said he's the best Corner he's ever seen, literally. He said that he's NEVER seen anyone cover McKenzie until Dowels got on campus, and Dowels didn't allow him to catch a single pass that whole week. His exact words were "****, I couldn't cover that kid in my prime." He said scouts would come to look at other kids and they would see Dowels and immediately pick up their cell phones to call their head coach. That's exactly how he got his Oklahoma offer. Scouts would say "Coach I never seen anybody play man coverage like this." Then he spoke about how Dowels basically dominated Winky Flowers and Durante in their game against Miami Jackson.

He said the same thing I've been saying for months, you offer those kids despite a lack of inches or pounds. On Dowels, you sacrifice 10 pounds so you can have the best cover Corner in South Florida. On McKenzie, you sacrifice his lack of size so you can sign the most explosive player in Broward County.

If that ****ery wasn't enough you can add the non-recruitment of Battle. Good enough for LSU but not good enough for Miami. Dowels = good enough for A&M, Clemson and Oklahoma but not good enough for Miami. McKenzie = good enough for ND, Florida and Georgia but not good enough for Miami. Scouts literally come down and here and say "Miami doesn't want you son? Well come onnnnn downnnn."

Rumph also told me that Miami rarely shows their face at Heritage, that's why his kids could give two ****s about that school. Take that for what it's worth. Yall keep on proceeding with your blind faith, meanwhile the best play-makers from South Florida are going elsewhere. Who wants the state leader in interceptions, the kid who blankets Ermon Lane's of the world, give me Ryan Mayes baby!

Major problem with posters like yourself and others is the immediate jump to the "blind faith" bull**** or "slurpers" and other crap because someone doesn't immediately take what you say as gospel and the clear answer. We must trust Golden and the staff with everything they do right? Why? Because we don't agree with you? Those can be two separate issues.

I asked questions concerning his recruitment because what happened doesn't make alot of sense unless the kid marches to the beat of his own drum. I don't really care about Dowels or McKenzie. They aren't the difference between Miami being average or great anyway. Maybe Valentine and other dominant DTs and player development are but a WR and a CB aren't. You keep talking about Battle as if Hester wasn't signed. Who is the better safety? Hester or Battle. That can be debated. They didn't whiff at the safety position. They got what appears to be their top guy. And who is the author of the story that Battle wasn't recruited because he is "too slow"? Who started it and where did they get that from?

Why is Ryan Mayes the whipping boy of this cycle anyway? What did he do besides earn an offer from the local school that he has now become the epitome of the staff misevaluating prospects?

 

[Coach Macho]

Mike Rumph and I talk every once and a while and last night we spoke for about 45 minutes about Miami and their recruiting. We talked about Dowels, McKenzie, etc etc etc.

On McKenzie, we both agreed that a kid who embarrasses legit South FLA high school talent on a regular basis should be offered. 5'8". 6'7". 4'5". I don't give a ****. You make an exception for some players, and McKenzie was the kind of athlete that you make an exception for.

On Dowels, Rumph said he's the best Corner he's ever seen, literally. He said that he's NEVER seen anyone cover McKenzie until Dowels got on campus, and Dowels didn't allow him to catch a single pass that whole week. His exact words were "****, I couldn't cover that kid in my prime." He said scouts would come to look at other kids and they would see Dowels and immediately pick up their cell phones to call their head coach. That's exactly how he got his Oklahoma offer. Scouts would say "Coach I never seen anybody play man coverage like this." Then he spoke about how Dowels basically dominated Winky Flowers and Durante in their game against Miami Jackson.

He said the same thing I've been saying for months, you offer those kids despite a lack of inches or pounds. On Dowels, you sacrifice 10 pounds so you can have the best cover Corner in South Florida. On McKenzie, you sacrifice his lack of size so you can sign the most explosive player in Broward County.

If that ****ery wasn't enough you can add the non-recruitment of Battle. Good enough for LSU but not good enough for Miami. Dowels = good enough for A&M, Clemson and Oklahoma but not good enough for Miami. McKenzie = good enough for ND, Florida and Georgia but not good enough for Miami. Scouts literally come down and here and say "Miami doesn't want you son? Well come onnnnn downnnn."

Rumph also told me that Miami rarely shows their face at Heritage, that's why his kids could give two ****s about that school. Take that for what it's worth. Yall keep on proceeding with your blind faith, meanwhile the best play-makers from South Florida are going elsewhere. Who wants the state leader in interceptions, the kid who blankets Ermon Lane's of the world, give me Ryan Mayes baby!

Major problem with posters like yourself and others is the immediate jump to the "blind faith" bull**** or "slurpers" and other crap because someone doesn't immediately take what you say as gospel and the clear answer. We must trust Golden and the staff with everything they do right? Why? Because we don't agree with you? Those can be two separate issues.

I asked questions concerning his recruitment because what happened doesn't make alot of sense unless the kid marches to the beat of his own drum. I don't really care about Dowels or McKenzie. They aren't the difference between Miami being average or great anyway. Maybe Valentine and other dominant DTs are but a WR and a CB aren't. You keep talking about Battle as if Hester wasn't signed. Who is the better safety? Hester or Battle. That can be debated. They didn't whiff at the safety position. They got what appears to be their top guy.

Not calling people slurper or anything, just saying that some of yall have blind faith and think that everything this staff does makes sense. ****, there's people way more qualified than us who don't even think that. Other coaches. LOL

You don't think LSU is looking at Miami like "WTF"?
You don't think Clemson, OU and A&M aren't looking at Miami like "WTF"?
How 'bout Georgia and Florida?

Or do you not trust the opinions and/or evaluations of those coaching staffs?

I've been coaching down here for years. I know first hand. I've met college coaches that giggle and shake their head at the fact that Miami isn't recruiting certain kids. They come down here and one of the first things they ask is "Miami isn't looking at him?" And when we tell them no they just shake their head because many of these coaches come from programs that are better than Miami or have beaten them recently.

 

[fincane]

Mike Rumph and I talk every once and a while and last night we spoke for about 45 minutes about Miami and their recruiting. We talked about Dowels, McKenzie, etc etc etc.

On McKenzie, we both agreed that a kid who embarrasses legit South FLA high school talent on a regular basis should be offered. 5'8". 6'7". 4'5". I don't give a ****. You make an exception for some players, and McKenzie was the kind of athlete that you make an exception for.

On Dowels, Rumph said he's the best Corner he's ever seen, literally. He said that he's NEVER seen anyone cover McKenzie until Dowels got on campus, and Dowels didn't allow him to catch a single pass that whole week. His exact words were "****, I couldn't cover that kid in my prime." He said scouts would come to look at other kids and they would see Dowels and immediately pick up their cell phones to call their head coach. That's exactly how he got his Oklahoma offer. Scouts would say "Coach I never seen anybody play man coverage like this." Then he spoke about how Dowels basically dominated Winky Flowers and Durante in their game against Miami Jackson.

He said the same thing I've been saying for months, you offer those kids despite a lack of inches or pounds. On Dowels, you sacrifice 10 pounds so you can have the best cover Corner in South Florida. On McKenzie, you sacrifice his lack of size so you can sign the most explosive player in Broward County.

If that ****ery wasn't enough you can add the non-recruitment of Battle. Good enough for LSU but not good enough for Miami. Dowels = good enough for A&M, Clemson and Oklahoma but not good enough for Miami. McKenzie = good enough for ND, Florida and Georgia but not good enough for Miami. Scouts literally come down and here and say "Miami doesn't want you son? Well come onnnnn downnnn."

Rumph also told me that Miami rarely shows their face at Heritage, that's why his kids could give two ****s about that school. Take that for what it's worth. Yall keep on proceeding with your blind faith, meanwhile the best play-makers from South Florida are going elsewhere. Who wants the state leader in interceptions, the kid who blankets Ermon Lane's of the world, give me Ryan Mayes baby!

Major problem with posters like yourself and others is the immediate jump to the "blind faith" bull**** or "slurpers" and other crap because someone doesn't immediately take what you say as gospel and the clear answer. We must trust Golden and the staff with everything they do right? Why? Because we don't agree with you? Those can be two separate issues.

I asked questions concerning his recruitment because what happened doesn't make alot of sense unless the kid marches to the beat of his own drum. I don't really care about Dowels or McKenzie. They aren't the difference between Miami being average or great anyway. Maybe Valentine and other dominant DTs are but a WR and a CB aren't. You keep talking about Battle as if Hester wasn't signed. Who is the better safety? Hester or Battle. That can be debated. They didn't whiff at the safety position. They got what appears to be their top guy.

Not calling people slurper or anything, just saying that some of yall have blind faith and think that everything this staff does makes sense. ****, there's people way more qualified than us who don't even think that. Other coaches. LOL

You don't think LSU is looking at Miami like "WTF"?
You don't think Clemson, OU and A&M aren't looking at Miami like "WTF"?
How 'bout Georgia and Florida?

Or do you not trust the opinions and/or evaluations of those coaching staffs?

I've been coaching down here for years. I know first hand. I've met college coaches that giggle and shake their head at the fact that Miami isn't recruiting certain kids. They come down here and one of the first things they ask is "Miami isn't looking at him?" And when we tell them no they just shake their head because many of these coaches come from programs that are better than Miami or have beaten them recently.

Yeah well what was Miami saying when they snatched Kaaya from the west coast? Probably saying the same thing. We'll see what Courtel Jenkins becomes but when teams like Penn State and Ohio State are sniffing around later in the process then maybe Miami stole one away there. It goes both ways.

Florida shouldn't be saying ****, considering they got beat. A&M lost just as many games and played defense just as poorly. They're a college football legend away from being the also-rans they've been for the last 15 years.

 

[Coach Macho]

Before I go to bed I'm gonna say this and I want you to let it sink in.

*The physically most imposing DB in South FLA is going to LSU and wasn't offered by Miami.
*The best cover Corner in South FLA, 1st team All-State, 9 interceptions, wasn't offered by Miami cause he's 160lbs instead 170lbs.
*The most explosive player in Broward County, the best return man in the state, is going to Georgia and wasn't offered by Miami.
*The best QB's in South FLA weren't offered by Miami because they're "too short" but were offered by Auburn, Florida, FSU, etc.

These kids were good enough for staffs who have decent track records of signing and developing talent, but they weren't good enough for Miami.


I was under the impression that Miami's recipe for success was to sign the best players in their backyard and only go out of town for kids who are special. We're not signing the best players in our backyard, we're ignoring some of them.

Level of competition cannot be underestimated.
If If I'm on the fence between a 5'8" WR from South Florida and a 5'8" WR from Carolina, I'm taking the kid who balled out in South Florida.
If I'm on the fence between two CB's who are 5'9"-5'10", I'm taking the one who was 1st team all-state and had 9 interceptions.
If I'm on the fence between a Safety from South FLA with offers from LSU and a Safety from NJ, I'm probably taking the kid from South FLA. Pretty sure LSU has a track record for developing DB's.

South FLA kids get the benefit of the doubt with me. The only time I choose a similar kid from another state is if that kid is clearly special. But if the kid excelled in South FLA and stood out against South FLA talent...yeah...I'll take him. Call me crazy.

 

[Coach Macho]

Mike Rumph and I talk every once and a while and last night we spoke for about 45 minutes about Miami and their recruiting. We talked about Dowels, McKenzie, etc etc etc.

On McKenzie, we both agreed that a kid who embarrasses legit South FLA high school talent on a regular basis should be offered. 5'8". 6'7". 4'5". I don't give a ****. You make an exception for some players, and McKenzie was the kind of athlete that you make an exception for.

On Dowels, Rumph said he's the best Corner he's ever seen, literally. He said that he's NEVER seen anyone cover McKenzie until Dowels got on campus, and Dowels didn't allow him to catch a single pass that whole week. His exact words were "****, I couldn't cover that kid in my prime." He said scouts would come to look at other kids and they would see Dowels and immediately pick up their cell phones to call their head coach. That's exactly how he got his Oklahoma offer. Scouts would say "Coach I never seen anybody play man coverage like this." Then he spoke about how Dowels basically dominated Winky Flowers and Durante in their game against Miami Jackson.

He said the same thing I've been saying for months, you offer those kids despite a lack of inches or pounds. On Dowels, you sacrifice 10 pounds so you can have the best cover Corner in South Florida. On McKenzie, you sacrifice his lack of size so you can sign the most explosive player in Broward County.

If that ****ery wasn't enough you can add the non-recruitment of Battle. Good enough for LSU but not good enough for Miami. Dowels = good enough for A&M, Clemson and Oklahoma but not good enough for Miami. McKenzie = good enough for ND, Florida and Georgia but not good enough for Miami. Scouts literally come down and here and say "Miami doesn't want you son? Well come onnnnn downnnn."

Rumph also told me that Miami rarely shows their face at Heritage, that's why his kids could give two ****s about that school. Take that for what it's worth. Yall keep on proceeding with your blind faith, meanwhile the best play-makers from South Florida are going elsewhere. Who wants the state leader in interceptions, the kid who blankets Ermon Lane's of the world, give me Ryan Mayes baby!

Major problem with posters like yourself and others is the immediate jump to the "blind faith" bull**** or "slurpers" and other crap because someone doesn't immediately take what you say as gospel and the clear answer. We must trust Golden and the staff with everything they do right? Why? Because we don't agree with you? Those can be two separate issues.

I asked questions concerning his recruitment because what happened doesn't make alot of sense unless the kid marches to the beat of his own drum. I don't really care about Dowels or McKenzie. They aren't the difference between Miami being average or great anyway. Maybe Valentine and other dominant DTs are but a WR and a CB aren't. You keep talking about Battle as if Hester wasn't signed. Who is the better safety? Hester or Battle. That can be debated. They didn't whiff at the safety position. They got what appears to be their top guy.

Not calling people slurper or anything, just saying that some of yall have blind faith and think that everything this staff does makes sense. ****, there's people way more qualified than us who don't even think that. Other coaches. LOL

You don't think LSU is looking at Miami like "WTF"?
You don't think Clemson, OU and A&M aren't looking at Miami like "WTF"?
How 'bout Georgia and Florida?

Or do you not trust the opinions and/or evaluations of those coaching staffs?

I've been coaching down here for years. I know first hand. I've met college coaches that giggle and shake their head at the fact that Miami isn't recruiting certain kids. They come down here and one of the first things they ask is "Miami isn't looking at him?" And when we tell them no they just shake their head because many of these coaches come from programs that are better than Miami or have beaten them recently.

Yeah well what was Miami saying when they snatched Kaaya from the west coast? Probably saying the same thing. We'll see what Courtel Jenkins becomes but when teams like Penn State and Ohio State are sniffing around later in the process then maybe Miami stole one away there. It goes both ways.

Florida shouldn't be saying ****, considering they got beat. A&M lost just as many games and played defense just as poorly. They're a college football legend away from being the also-rans they've been for the last 15 years.

Difference is...

Kaaya had offers from USC and UCLA. How could Miami say the same thing? His local schools wanted him. He wasn't ******' ignored by his local programs like the kids I'm speaking of in South Florida.

Are you not following the point I'm trying to make?

 

[fincane]

Before I go to bed I'm gonna say this and I want you to let it sink in.

*The physically most imposing DB in South FLA is going to LSU and wasn't offered by Miami.
*The best cover Corner in South FLA, 1st team All-State, 9 interceptions, wasn't offered by Miami cause he's 160lbs instead 170lbs.
*The most explosive player in Broward County, the best return man in the state, is going to Georgia and wasn't offered by Miami.
*The best QB's in South FLA weren't offered by Miami because they're "too short" but were offered by Auburn, Florida, FSU, etc.

These kids were good enough for staffs who have decent track records of signing and developing talent, but they weren't good enough for Miami.


I was under the impression that Miami's recipe for success was to sign the best players in their backyard and only go out of town for kids who are special. We're not signing the best players in our backyard, we're ignoring some of them.

Level of competition cannot be underestimated.
If If I'm on the fence between a 5'8" WR from South Florida and a 5'8" WR from Carolina, I'm taking the kid who balled out in South Florida.
If I'm on the fence between two CB's who are 5'9"-5'10", I'm taking the one who was 1st team all-state and had 9 interceptions.
If I'm on the fence between a Safety from South FLA with offers from LSU and a Safety from NJ, I'm probably taking the kid from South FLA. Pretty sure LSU has a track record for developing DB's.

South FLA kids get the benefit of the doubt with me. The only time I choose a similar kid from another state is if that kid is clearly special. But if the kid excelled in South FLA and stood out against South FLA talent...yeah...I'll take him. Call me crazy.

All that reads like is south Florida bias. So you can let that sink in. It isn't surprising that a coach from south Florida would take kid from down there over a kid from Jersey who Ohio State wanted. They develop DBs don't they? No surprise a WR from Carolina must be the lesser of the two prospects in the eyes of a south Florida coach even when he had offers from Oregon and Ohio State. Balled out against the best competition at the Opening and caught a TD at an all-star game while playing with a torn ACL. Miami goes to California and gets an elite QB and the talk in south Florida is about a kid who may not play QB in college.

 

[fincane]

Mike Rumph and I talk every once and a while and last night we spoke for about 45 minutes about Miami and their recruiting. We talked about Dowels, McKenzie, etc etc etc.

On McKenzie, we both agreed that a kid who embarrasses legit South FLA high school talent on a regular basis should be offered. 5'8". 6'7". 4'5". I don't give a ****. You make an exception for some players, and McKenzie was the kind of athlete that you make an exception for.

On Dowels, Rumph said he's the best Corner he's ever seen, literally. He said that he's NEVER seen anyone cover McKenzie until Dowels got on campus, and Dowels didn't allow him to catch a single pass that whole week. His exact words were "****, I couldn't cover that kid in my prime." He said scouts would come to look at other kids and they would see Dowels and immediately pick up their cell phones to call their head coach. That's exactly how he got his Oklahoma offer. Scouts would say "Coach I never seen anybody play man coverage like this." Then he spoke about how Dowels basically dominated Winky Flowers and Durante in their game against Miami Jackson.

He said the same thing I've been saying for months, you offer those kids despite a lack of inches or pounds. On Dowels, you sacrifice 10 pounds so you can have the best cover Corner in South Florida. On McKenzie, you sacrifice his lack of size so you can sign the most explosive player in Broward County.

If that ****ery wasn't enough you can add the non-recruitment of Battle. Good enough for LSU but not good enough for Miami. Dowels = good enough for A&M, Clemson and Oklahoma but not good enough for Miami. McKenzie = good enough for ND, Florida and Georgia but not good enough for Miami. Scouts literally come down and here and say "Miami doesn't want you son? Well come onnnnn downnnn."

Rumph also told me that Miami rarely shows their face at Heritage, that's why his kids could give two ****s about that school. Take that for what it's worth. Yall keep on proceeding with your blind faith, meanwhile the best play-makers from South Florida are going elsewhere. Who wants the state leader in interceptions, the kid who blankets Ermon Lane's of the world, give me Ryan Mayes baby!

Major problem with posters like yourself and others is the immediate jump to the "blind faith" bull**** or "slurpers" and other crap because someone doesn't immediately take what you say as gospel and the clear answer. We must trust Golden and the staff with everything they do right? Why? Because we don't agree with you? Those can be two separate issues.

I asked questions concerning his recruitment because what happened doesn't make alot of sense unless the kid marches to the beat of his own drum. I don't really care about Dowels or McKenzie. They aren't the difference between Miami being average or great anyway. Maybe Valentine and other dominant DTs are but a WR and a CB aren't. You keep talking about Battle as if Hester wasn't signed. Who is the better safety? Hester or Battle. That can be debated. They didn't whiff at the safety position. They got what appears to be their top guy.

Not calling people slurper or anything, just saying that some of yall have blind faith and think that everything this staff does makes sense. ****, there's people way more qualified than us who don't even think that. Other coaches. LOL

You don't think LSU is looking at Miami like "WTF"?
You don't think Clemson, OU and A&M aren't looking at Miami like "WTF"?
How 'bout Georgia and Florida?

Or do you not trust the opinions and/or evaluations of those coaching staffs?

I've been coaching down here for years. I know first hand. I've met college coaches that giggle and shake their head at the fact that Miami isn't recruiting certain kids. They come down here and one of the first things they ask is "Miami isn't looking at him?" And when we tell them no they just shake their head because many of these coaches come from programs that are better than Miami or have beaten them recently.

Yeah well what was Miami saying when they snatched Kaaya from the west coast? Probably saying the same thing. We'll see what Courtel Jenkins becomes but when teams like Penn State and Ohio State are sniffing around later in the process then maybe Miami stole one away there. It goes both ways.

Florida shouldn't be saying ****, considering they got beat. A&M lost just as many games and played defense just as poorly. They're a college football legend away from being the also-rans they've been for the last 15 years.

Difference is...

Kaaya had offers from USC and UCLA. How could Miami say the same thing? His local schools wanted him. He wasn't ****in' ignored by his local programs like the kids I'm speaking of in South Florida.

Are you not following the point I'm trying to make?

He was ignored when he was offered. His best offer was from San Diego State. Those local schools came strong after he blew up and after they missed out on guys they wanted more and thought were better. Sound familiar with the storylines that get blown up down here?

The only difference is Kaaya didn't run to twitter with a "SMH. USC and UCLA just offered me. Late." Then reply to all his boys as they proceed to **** on the local school.

 

[Coach Macho]

******' hilarious how this guy uses the double-standard.

So Jenkins is good because Penn State and Ohio State came sniffing around but the fact that OU, A&M and Clemson offered Dowels means nothing. LOL

Funny how that works. When I had a huge debate on here about Fabian Moreau going to UCLA and being sniffed by Ohio State late in the recruiting process everybody negged my *** to high heaven and called me every name in the book while saying the kid wasn't a Miami caliber athlete.

The out-of-state offers are only respected if Miami signs said kid. If Miami doesn't sign the kid then he wasn't Cane material regardless of what his other offers were.

Miami signs kid = "This is a great pick-up. He had offers from OSU."
Miami doesn't sign kid = "He wasn't Miami material. His only other major offer came from OSU."

Lmao. This site. SMH

 

[fincane]

****in' hilarious how this guy uses the double-standard.

So Jenkins is good because Penn State and Ohio State came sniffing around but the fact that OU, A&M and Clemson offered Dowels means nothing. LOL

Funny how that works. When I had a huge debate on here about Fabian Moreau going to UCLA and being sniffed by Ohio State late in the recruiting process everybody negged my *** to high heaven and called me every name in the book while saying the kid wasn't a Miami caliber athlete.

The out-of-state offers are only respected if Miami signs said kid. If Miami doesn't sign the kid then he wasn't Cane material regardless of what his other offers were.

Miami signs kid = "This is a great pick-up. He had offers from OSU."
Miami doesn't sign kid = "He wasn't Miami material. His only other major offer came from OSU."

Lmao. This site. SMH

You're arguing with yourself about things I never brought up. I never questioned Dowels ability to play once. I don't really care. I asked you about his recruitment. Not whether he could play or not.