My thoughts on the class (long)

[fincane]

Mayes was offered at Al Goldens camp as a cornerback. Fact

Who was disputing that?

 

[tsimonitis]

D$,

Does Golden and Co make it down here? Long term?

 

[sebastian91]

Mayes was offered at Al Goldens camp as a cornerback. Fact

Has Pete not said that he projects as a safety here? Did AG not say that he could play safety in his presser yesterday?

 

[OBLIVION]

If Golden is the man for the job, he has enough to win with. If he’s not, the next guy will have a balanced roster without the gaping holes that Coker and Shannon left behind.

He's not the man for the job DMoney. Programs with far less talent than ours. Were pushing his **** in since he has been here. This program over the last 5 years. Has finished 2nd or 3rd in the conference in recruiting. Every year, but one. Most of the programs in this conference weren't even in a shouting distance on NSD.

Also Kansas State blew this program out the water. With These following recruiting classes.

59 12
69 11
63 10
93 09
27 08

At some point you have to be able to coach players up, and be good at X's and O's.

 

[User-4525]

Lol so Oklahoma's coach just flew out to south Florida to tell him he didn't have an offer? How about Juwan just loved his visit to Syracuse with the other south Florida kids so he committed? I've known Juwan for 4+ years, he had no need to lie about offers. No surprise the offers came after he won Broward MVP of the year.

 

[User-4525]

Mayes was offered at Al Goldens camp as a cornerback. Fact

Who was disputing that?

Sebastin

 

[User-4525]

Mayes was offered at Al Goldens camp as a cornerback. Fact

Has Pete not said that he projects as a safety here? Did AG not say that he could play safety in his presser yesterday?

He was offered at corner. You just said isn't safety a position a need? Well, we offered at CORNER. And he will start his career at corner.

 

[tsimonitis]

Mayes was offered at Al Goldens camp as a cornerback. Fact

Has Pete not said that he projects as a safety here? Did AG not say that he could play safety in his presser yesterday?

He was offered at corner. You just said isn't safety a position a need? Well, we offered at CORNER. And he will start his career at corner.

That being said, how is it possible to be in SoFl and only sign 1 CB? CB are a dime a dozen in UM's backyard. If you are willing to let Dortch and Hope come in and develop and are OK with depth currently on the team why not offer a big time upside kid?

 

[fincane]

Lol so Oklahoma's coach just flew out to south Florida to tell him he didn't have an offer? How about Juwan just loved his visit to Syracuse with the other south Florida kids so he committed? I've known Juwan for 4+ years, he had no need to lie about offers. No surprise the offers came after he won Broward MVP of the year.

So he has a thing for the Northeast and hates the sun? He didn't visit Syracuse until the 17th and went to Rutgers the week after. Meanwhile I'm supposed to believe Stoops, Swinney and Sumlin couldn't at least get the kid to visit though he had spot waiting for him if he wanted it. You can understand why that makes little to no sense.

 

[User-4525]

Lol so Oklahoma's coach just flew out to south Florida to tell him he didn't have an offer? How about Juwan just loved his visit to Syracuse with the other south Florida kids so he committed? I've known Juwan for 4+ years, he had no need to lie about offers. No surprise the offers came after he won Broward MVP of the year.

So he has a thing for the Northeast and hates the sun? He didn't visit Syracuse until the 17th and went to Rutgers the week after. Meanwhile I'm supposed to believe Stoops, Swinney and Sumlin couldn't at least get the kid to visit though he had spot waiting for him if he wanted it. You can understand why that makes little to no sense.

He had an OV set to OU but visited Syracuse first because they recruited him harder. And he never visited Rutgers the week after. Again, coaches aren't using in homes on kids they don't want.

 

[fincane]

If Golden is the man for the job, he has enough to win with. If he’s not, the next guy will have a balanced roster without the gaping holes that Coker and Shannon left behind.

He's not the man for the job DMoney. Programs with far less talent than ours. Were pushing his **** in since he has been here. This program over the last 5 years. Has finished 2nd or 3rd in the conference in recruiting. Every year, but one. Most of the programs in this conference weren't even in a shouting distance on NSD.

Also Kansas State blew this program out the water. With These following recruiting classes.

59 12
69 11
63 10
93 09
27 08

At some point you have to be able to coach players up, and be good at X's and O's.

Kansas State under Snyder is one of the great anomalies in college football. At their best they've always beaten teams who were perceived to have more talent. That isn't an Al Golden thing. It is a Bill Snyder thing. He deserves all the credit for it.

 

[cane since birth]

to be honest, the majority of the kids that play down here want to play early, so they go to schools that will give them that chance

powell wasnt going to play anytime soon here, same for nigel, cook im in agreement with pete it just seemed like he wanted to play away from yearby

rudolph was a mess up by the staff plus he wasn't going to play that much his first year here and lane well we all know about lanes commitment to the university of cook

playing time is a huge factor in kids decisions, at least in SoFl

 

[fincane]

Lol so Oklahoma's coach just flew out to south Florida to tell him he didn't have an offer? How about Juwan just loved his visit to Syracuse with the other south Florida kids so he committed? I've known Juwan for 4+ years, he had no need to lie about offers. No surprise the offers came after he won Broward MVP of the year.

So he has a thing for the Northeast and hates the sun? He didn't visit Syracuse until the 17th and went to Rutgers the week after. Meanwhile I'm supposed to believe Stoops, Swinney and Sumlin couldn't at least get the kid to visit though he had spot waiting for him if he wanted it. You can understand why that makes little to no sense.

He had an OV set to OU but visited Syracuse first because they recruited him harder. And he never visited Rutgers the week after. Again, coaches aren't using in homes on kids they don't want.

So why didn't he visit Clemson or A&M? The Aggies offered him in June. Clemson in early December. Seems like all those schools recruited him like Miami recruited Edgar Cerenord.

 

[OBLIVION]

If Golden is the man for the job, he has enough to win with. If he’s not, the next guy will have a balanced roster without the gaping holes that Coker and Shannon left behind.

He's not the man for the job DMoney. Programs with far less talent than ours. Were pushing his **** in since he has been here. This program over the last 5 years. Has finished 2nd or 3rd in the conference in recruiting. Every year, but one. Most of the programs in this conference weren't even in a shouting distance on NSD.

Also Kansas State blew this program out the water. With These following recruiting classes.

59 12
69 11
63 10
93 09
27 08

At some point you have to be able to coach players up, and be good at X's and O's.

Kansas State under Snyder is one of the great anomalies in college football. At their best they've always beaten teams who were perceived to have more talent. That isn't an Al Golden thing. It is a Bill Snyder thing. He deserves all the credit for it.

It is an Al Golden thing, because almost everyone he coaches against. That has weaker talent. Seems to be the great anomalies in college football. For that one weekend.

In this conference alone. We have way more talent than anyone. Not name FSU, and Clemson. Yet every week we are in nail bitters versus the bottom dwellers in this conference.

This is a coaching issues.

 

[fincane]

If Golden is the man for the job, he has enough to win with. If he’s not, the next guy will have a balanced roster without the gaping holes that Coker and Shannon left behind.

He's not the man for the job DMoney. Programs with far less talent than ours. Were pushing his **** in since he has been here. This program over the last 5 years. Has finished 2nd or 3rd in the conference in recruiting. Every year, but one. Most of the programs in this conference weren't even in a shouting distance on NSD.

Also Kansas State blew this program out the water. With These following recruiting classes.

59 12
69 11
63 10
93 09
27 08

At some point you have to be able to coach players up, and be good at X's and O's.

Kansas State under Snyder is one of the great anomalies in college football. At their best they've always beaten teams who were perceived to have more talent. That isn't an Al Golden thing. It is a Bill Snyder thing. He deserves all the credit for it.

It is an Al Golden thing, because almost everyone he coaches against. That has weaker talent. Seems to be the great anomalies in college football. For that one weekend.

In this conference alone. We have way more talent than anyone. Not name FSU, and Clemson. Yet every week we are in nail bitters versus the bottom dwellers in this conference.

This is a coaching issues.

Don't use Kansas State as example because thats what they do. That same Kansas State team won the Big 12 the year we got crushed. Clearly the rankings of the players were wrong or like I said Bill Snyder is just flat out a great coach.

You want to make that point don't use the team that won a BCS conference the same year and was a top 5 team going into their bowl game as your jumping off point.

 

[tsimonitis]

If Golden is the man for the job, he has enough to win with. If he’s not, the next guy will have a balanced roster without the gaping holes that Coker and Shannon left behind.

He's not the man for the job DMoney. Programs with far less talent than ours. Were pushing his **** in since he has been here. This program over the last 5 years. Has finished 2nd or 3rd in the conference in recruiting. Every year, but one. Most of the programs in this conference weren't even in a shouting distance on NSD.

Also Kansas State blew this program out the water. With These following recruiting classes.

59 12
69 11
63 10
93 09
27 08

At some point you have to be able to coach players up, and be good at X's and O's.

Kansas State under Snyder is one of the great anomalies in college football. At their best they've always beaten teams who were perceived to have more talent. That isn't an Al Golden thing. It is a Bill Snyder thing. He deserves all the credit for it.

It is an Al Golden thing, because almost everyone he coaches against. That has weaker talent. Seems to be the great anomalies in college football. For that one weekend.

In this conference alone. We have way more talent than anyone. Not name FSU, and Clemson. Yet every week we are in nail bitters versus the bottom dwellers in this conference.

This is a coaching issues.

Talent v Coaching is one of the debates with the staff right now. But now with a more filled and balanced roster the lack of talent argument starts to fade and the spotlight becomes coaching. Within the next year to year and a half the truth will be revealed.

 

[L A M P]

Seems like all those schools recruited him like Miami recruited Edgar Cerenord.

Perfect example of how it most likely went down... Regardless, just agree to disagree. (doesn't matter)

 

[ssvir]

Sebastian,

What point are you trying to make here? You admit that McKenzie and Dowels are great players, but then attack me for criticizing how the staff evaluated them. Huh?

You are disagreeing simply to disagree. You don't like me and got embarrassed when I dismantled your post earlier in this thread. That's it. But since this is a discussion board, let's play:

Berrios and McKenzie are listed as being virtually the same size by 247. Hey, maybe that's deceiving, but the fact is that Berrios is small. If the coaches are so stubborn on size, why Berrios?

Berrios is heavier and stronger than McKenzie. But we were stubborn with him, too. Berrios dominated our camp and didn't get an offer. He needed to go to Oregon, dominate out there, and have Brad Kaaya beg for him to finally get an offer. If the guy wasn't a die-hard Miami fan, he would've said "F-you" and we never would've gotten him.

As for McKenzie, if we passed on him for any reason other than size (which we didn't), that's even worse. You concede that McKenzie will be very good. Why do you think we passed on him? Was that not a mistake?

Dowels is a great football player. I really like the way he plays, so there's no need for Wildcat to come in and defend him. However, when the kid's best offer is Syracuse (no way he had offers from Clemson and Oklahoma like he claims), well, Miami isn't the only team missing out.

So let me make sure I have your arguments straight:

1) Dowels and his coaches are lying about his offers.
2) Dowels is a great player.
3) His offer sheet is weak, so that justifies the lack of an offer.

Just out of curiosity, can you tell me the schools that have offered Ryan Mayes? Thanks in advance.

3. How is something relating to transcripts the coaches' fault? No one has even tried to answer that question. The kid wanted an out, UF.ag was the offer he wanted, and he took it when it came. Simple as that. If the kid wanted to be a Cane, he would've waited the 2 days like Yearby did.

Coaches are often tasked with certain paperwork responsibilities with getting a recruit into a school. I'll leave it at that.

But even putting the admission issue to the side, how is it not a *****-up to lose a four-star commit at a need position to a rival school the day before he is supposed to enroll? That is a failure of recruiting.

You are making arguments for the sake of arguing. And they aren't good ones.

I disagree with you on this one. You're the one that is getting butt-hurt b/c someone is challenging your commentary.

I'm sure Dowels is an excellent player but if he had commitable offers from BCS bowl teams then WTF would he never visit any of those schools?

If you have specific knowledge about the admissions situation then stop beating around the bush otherwise the assumption is that he wanted a UF offer all along so when his EE was delayed he jumped. Nearly every EE that signed with us had some sort of delay.

 

[drifters1234]

I really have to ask this im new to the board tired of the paysite bull****... My first message board forum was grassy . com now i have to ask how long have you guys been following the program and recruiting because some of this nonsense is a joke... .... So i dont want to come off 2 hard i mean some of you guys might been fairly new to the process ?

You should post this exact same thing at WestEndZone.com

Probably find much better info and get a more thoughtful response.

lulz

 

[drifters1234]

If Golden is the man for the job, he has enough to win with. If he’s not, the next guy will have a balanced roster without the gaping holes that Coker and Shannon left behind.

This is how I feel. Thanks for summing things up.

Bottom line is I don't think this is an "A" class at Miami, yet we got like 10 guys who I think have a better than 50% chance at being NFL players. Says a lot about our geographic advantage. Football is not getting less popular in inner city Miami.

Exactly my feeling. Think the class is good enough to win and win a lot. With excellent coaching, it is good enough to beat FSU. With good coaching is it good enough to be second in ACC. With the coaching we saw last year, no class short of the 2001 team is good enough to win much.

I tend to agree with recruiting certain kids just for who they are. Wilson certainly caused pain. My thought is do like FSU did with Treon, get the commit, use the recruiting boost and then gentle ease them away, or sign and then dump them the next year. We certainly cut kids loose for many reasons.

But I would add one tactic. Never offer a kid with a handler like Greron. Make it know that those kids will never get a offer from THE U. We seem to always lose out in those cases so we actually lose nothing, but if it starts to cut down on the number of kids these bloodsuckers get their hands on then it could be worth it.

I like Golden's camps, but I agree that shorts are not the way to pick kids. I fear our practices are not physical enough to pick starters from either. How do you know who hits or can take hits if there is no hitting?

I disagree with blacklisting the scumbag handlers. Gary Williams did that at UMD basketball, and despite being a great coach, his teams progressively deteriorated over time with the exodus of talent from DC and Baltimore.

The DC/Baltimore area for basketball is the equivalent of S. Fla for football. Bottom line, these handlers are going to become more prevalent, not less. So we have to figure out a way to work with them. i guarantee you the SEC will.