More words of Wisdom off the insidetheuboard by coach No d

[Hurracanes]

I'll be glad to admit I was wrong if it means we are respectable again. Problem is you supporters try to spin any fact you can while ignoring the ones that expose those facts as window dressing.

You keep saying that they had this great defense, but ignore the fact that those defenses played the worst offenses in college football.

You say they turned around a program but ignore the fact that Temple was recently dropped to the MAC from the Big East.

You say that defense looked good and got us to 7-0, but ignore the fact that the first 5 teams we played had no passing game which means we didn't have to plan strongly against the pass and we could just load up the box. The next 2 teams were a garbage UNC and WF team that both nearly beat us. Every team we played that had anything close to an average passing game, looked like absolute stud offenses against us. These teams had better passing against us than they did the scrub teams we played.

You say our defense limited Florida, but ignore that Florida had one of their best passing games of the season against us and their passing game is absolute garbage. We got a couple picks because Driskell sucks.

You say we are expecting elite defense overnight. The problem is noone is asking for elite defense. I didn't realize asking for a defense not in the bottom quarter of NCAA defenses when we played a pretty weak schedule was too much to ask. We only played 2 teams with really good offense. Everyone else was crap, or average at best.

You want to use the fact that all these professional analyst are glowing over Golden and that counts over the opinions of the people on the board. Fair enough, but those same analysts also favored Miami as the clear favorites to win the Coastal this year. This means according to these same analyst, Golden failed miserably. The coastal has not been this week in a long time and Golden failed.

You say we don't have talent, but these professional analyst who rank the recruiting classes say we have recruited far better (even during the cloud) than every team we played except for maybe FSU and Florida. Are you saying these analyst who know more than us are wrong now, because it doesn't fit your point or did Golden fail at development?

Stop cherry picking your arguments. Every Golden pro has been countered with a factual con. Not every con has been countered yet with something better than "the cloud". 3 years is not overnight, its enough time to field a respectable defense. I would have been satisfied with a top 60 defense this year. Is that elite? Is that asking for too much after 3 years? IMO top 60 is not even good, but its not a complete embarrassment.

And which mope might you be? Take me to your leader...

It is what happens when someone has no facts to prove their point, they go to personal attacks.

6 wins, 7 wins, 9 wins and recruiting is getting better and better. Those are the only facts that matter. Keep thinking that discrediting those facts are actual facts.

Yes! Let the blind hatred flow through you mope...

Under Randy Shannon, Miami also had an upward trend in Wins and Losses.
2007 5-7
2008 7-6
2009 9-4

If this "fact" is all that matters, then why did he go 7-6 in 2010?

You also say recruiting is getting better and better. That is not entirely true. Below are Miami's recruiting rankings by Rivals under Golden.
2011: #36 (not his fault)
2012: #9
2013: #20
2014: #12

Where are you getting recruiting is getting better and better? He obviously regressed in 2013 on a strong South Florida year of High School recruits. In 2014, his recruiting was in the top 3 and but ended #12 and that ranking is that high because of the large class he recruited. He continues to miss out on many elite South Florida prospects and he can't recruit elite DT's to save his life. Yeah, you sold me on those facts.

Carry on with your blind faith...

While Randy's wins we're trending upward his recruiting classes turned abysmal. The roster numbers were atrocious which was evidenced over the past three seasons. Randy also didn't have to deal with an NCAA investigation and all the negative recruiting that came with it. Get it?

The wins are increasing and the talent level is increasing with it. I'm glad Golden refuses to water down the system to make it easier on south FL players who the mopes want to play lighter and faster while not getting pushed around who are also incapable of learning such complicated schemezzz. He's building for the future.

Randy's recruiting classes according to Rivals.
2007: #19
2008: #5
2009:#14
2010: #16

I am no Randy defender but he left Golden talent to play with. In fact, during the 2011 season, Golden had 6 players who got selected in the NFL draft. Yet, he only won 6 games with them.

"The wins are increasing and the talent level is increasing with it. I'm glad Golden refuses to water down the system to make it easier on south FL players who the mopes want to play lighter and faster while not getting pushed around who are also incapable of learning such complicated schemezzz. He's building for the future."

Facts
2012 Miami Total Defense: 116th in the nation
2013 Miami Total Defense: 89th in the nation

You're the idiot who has the agenda.

 

[drifters1234]

It is what happens when someone has no facts to prove their point, they go to personal attacks.

6 wins, 7 wins, 9 wins and recruiting is getting better and better. Those are the only facts that matter. Keep thinking that discrediting those facts are actual facts.

Yes! Let the blind hatred flow through you mope...

Under Randy Shannon, Miami also had an upward trend in Wins and Losses.
2007 5-7
2008 7-6
2009 9-4

If this "fact" is all that matters, then why did he go 7-6 in 2010?

You also say recruiting is getting better and better. That is not entirely true. Below are Miami's recruiting rankings by Rivals under Golden.
2011: #36 (not his fault)
2012: #9
2013: #20
2014: #12

Where are you getting recruiting is getting better and better? He obviously regressed in 2013 on a strong South Florida year of High School recruits. In 2014, his recruiting was in the top 3 and but ended #12 and that ranking is that high because of the large class he recruited. He continues to miss out on many elite South Florida prospects and he can't recruit elite DT's to save his life. Yeah, you sold me on those facts.

Carry on with your blind faith...

While Randy's wins we're trending upward his recruiting classes turned abysmal. The roster numbers were atrocious which was evidenced over the past three seasons. Randy also didn't have to deal with an NCAA investigation and all the negative recruiting that came with it. Get it?

The wins are increasing and the talent level is increasing with it. I'm glad Golden refuses to water down the system to make it easier on south FL players who the mopes want to play lighter and faster while not getting pushed around who are also incapable of learning such complicated schemezzz. He's building for the future.

Randy's recruiting classes according to Rivals.
2007: #19
2008: #5
2009:#14
2010: #16

I am no Randy defender but he left Golden talent to play with. In fact, during the 2011 season, Golden had 6 players who got selected in the NFL draft. Yet, he only won 6 games with them.

"The wins are increasing and the talent level is increasing with it. I'm glad Golden refuses to water down the system to make it easier on south FL players who the mopes want to play lighter and faster while not getting pushed around who are also incapable of learning such complicated schemezzz. He's building for the future."

Facts
2012 Miami Total Defense: 116th in the nation
2013 Miami Total Defense: 89th in the nation

You're the idiot who has the agenda.

2011 is not really a good example of anything, given the suspensions and the complete lack of depth. ****, I would give D'Nofrio a pass on the first two seasons. But year three was time for legit improvement, which did not happen.

 

[LEmeyers]

only if he wins if not i would bet he will be gone in two years

We'll see...

Enough has already been seen. Doesn't matter if golden creates a talent advantage. He's already proven that doesn't matter. Go look at temple and here as well.

 

[LEmeyers]

6 wins, 7 wins, 9 wins and recruiting is getting better and better. Those are the only facts that matter. Keep thinking that discrediting those facts are actual facts.

Yes! Let the blind hatred flow through you mope...

Under Randy Shannon, Miami also had an upward trend in Wins and Losses.
2007 5-7
2008 7-6
2009 9-4

If this "fact" is all that matters, then why did he go 7-6 in 2010?

You also say recruiting is getting better and better. That is not entirely true. Below are Miami's recruiting rankings by Rivals under Golden.
2011: #36 (not his fault)
2012: #9
2013: #20
2014: #12

Where are you getting recruiting is getting better and better? He obviously regressed in 2013 on a strong South Florida year of High School recruits. In 2014, his recruiting was in the top 3 and but ended #12 and that ranking is that high because of the large class he recruited. He continues to miss out on many elite South Florida prospects and he can't recruit elite DT's to save his life. Yeah, you sold me on those facts.

Carry on with your blind faith...

While Randy's wins we're trending upward his recruiting classes turned abysmal. The roster numbers were atrocious which was evidenced over the past three seasons. Randy also didn't have to deal with an NCAA investigation and all the negative recruiting that came with it. Get it?

The wins are increasing and the talent level is increasing with it. I'm glad Golden refuses to water down the system to make it easier on south FL players who the mopes want to play lighter and faster while not getting pushed around who are also incapable of learning such complicated schemezzz. He's building for the future.

Randy's recruiting classes according to Rivals.
2007: #19
2008: #5
2009:#14
2010: #16

I am no Randy defender but he left Golden talent to play with. In fact, during the 2011 season, Golden had 6 players who got selected in the NFL draft. Yet, he only won 6 games with them.

"The wins are increasing and the talent level is increasing with it. I'm glad Golden refuses to water down the system to make it easier on south FL players who the mopes want to play lighter and faster while not getting pushed around who are also incapable of learning such complicated schemezzz. He's building for the future."

Facts
2012 Miami Total Defense: 116th in the nation
2013 Miami Total Defense: 89th in the nation

You're the idiot who has the agenda.

2011 is not really a good example of anything, given the suspensions and the complete lack of depth. ****, I would give D'Nofrio a pass on the first two seasons. But year three was time for legit improvement, which did not happen.

2011 is a perfect example. People claim Miami was in bad shape well look at the teams they played. Some of the teams Miami lost to were in worst shape. That's the issue many ignore.

 

[LEmeyers]

I'll be glad to admit I was wrong if it means we are respectable again. Problem is you supporters try to spin any fact you can while ignoring the ones that expose those facts as window dressing.

You keep saying that they had this great defense, but ignore the fact that those defenses played the worst offenses in college football.

You say they turned around a program but ignore the fact that Temple was recently dropped to the MAC from the Big East.

You say that defense looked good and got us to 7-0, but ignore the fact that the first 5 teams we played had no passing game which means we didn't have to plan strongly against the pass and we could just load up the box. The next 2 teams were a garbage UNC and WF team that both nearly beat us. Every team we played that had anything close to an average passing game, looked like absolute stud offenses against us. These teams had better passing against us than they did the scrub teams we played.

You say our defense limited Florida, but ignore that Florida had one of their best passing games of the season against us and their passing game is absolute garbage. We got a couple picks because Driskell sucks.

You say we are expecting elite defense overnight. The problem is noone is asking for elite defense. I didn't realize asking for a defense not in the bottom quarter of NCAA defenses when we played a pretty weak schedule was too much to ask. We only played 2 teams with really good offense. Everyone else was crap, or average at best.

You want to use the fact that all these professional analyst are glowing over Golden and that counts over the opinions of the people on the board. Fair enough, but those same analysts also favored Miami as the clear favorites to win the Coastal this year. This means according to these same analyst, Golden failed miserably. The coastal has not been this week in a long time and Golden failed.

You say we don't have talent, but these professional analyst who rank the recruiting classes say we have recruited far better (even during the cloud) than every team we played except for maybe FSU and Florida. Are you saying these analyst who know more than us are wrong now, because it doesn't fit your point or did Golden fail at development?

Stop cherry picking your arguments. Every Golden pro has been countered with a factual con. Not every con has been countered yet with something better than "the cloud". 3 years is not overnight, its enough time to field a respectable defense. I would have been satisfied with a top 60 defense this year. Is that elite? Is that asking for too much after 3 years? IMO top 60 is not even good, but its not a complete embarrassment.

Did not read...

Of course you didn't read. Its funny, because the entire thing is about guys like you blindly dodging the facts. You said we will change our tune and say we were keeping it real and that its because we are trolls who are not "real" Miami fans. Well everything I stated in there is real and they are facts. Maybe you are the troll and as a troll you are not a "real" Miami fan, because you seem to enjoy watching the team wallow in mediocrity.

I'll say it again, I will root for Golden to succeed, but I've lost faith that this staff will get it done.

Whatever you say Sancho. Don't you and the circle jerking mopes "CJM's" have a coaching staff to bash? Go keep it real bruh. Why spend any time back and forth with anybody with a differing opinion than you clowns? Got to make sure the mope message rings loud and clear?

If the coaching staff is as bad as you mopes claim then you would think as big of fans as you all are you'd look to the positives to at least help recruiting? Never mind, you CJM's got this. Bash away! You're doing a great service to the program you claim to support so vehemently. I know, I know, just applying pressure to run Golden out of town because you mopes know best. What a noble cause.

Thank you for validating my point for me. I came out with facts. You predictably dodged them. This is not a coach bash, this is looking at the situation for what it is. The only reason I'm not full blown on the fire Golden wagon yet is because this is year 4 with all his players.

This is his fair shot with a team full of talent whether people want to admit it or not (and it's Golden's fault if that talent is not developed to their projections, that is his job correct?). Everyone keeps talking about we have no talent and that Duke apparently has done a better job getting talent than us during the cloud, but I see that we were consistently a top 20 recruiting ranking class (except one year - 36) while Duke can't even break the top 50. Randy got 4 years, and the cupboard was just as bare when he got it and his win progression is the same as Al's. Al had the cloud, so its likely at bare minimum he will get 5. With that said, the product on the field better look respectable this year. We play in one of the weakest BCS conference (is AAC even a BCS conference anymore?). Last year top 60 defense is all I asked for. This year, I expect top 40 or bust. 4 years, no more excuses.

Right...and at
East shannnon had some quality wins. Shannon compiled his record against better teams.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Right...and at
LEast shannnon had some quality wins. Shannon compiled his record against better teams.

Not true Nites. First 3 years Golden has won against more over .500 teams than Shannon plus faced MNC game teams in back to back years.
Seriously SHannon would have been lucky to win more than 9 games combined between 2011-2013 had he had that joke of a roster and the NCAA mess to deal with.

 

[poncho0091]

Right...and at
LEast shannnon had some quality wins. Shannon compiled his record against better teams.

Not true Nites. First 3 years Golden has won against more over .500 teams than Shannon plus faced MNC game teams in back to back years.
Seriously SHannon would have been lucky to win more than 9 games combined between 2011-2013 had he had that joke of a roster and the NCAA mess to deal with.

I don't feel like looking it up, but I find it hard to believe. Even if so, every one of those .500 teams are 7 win teams. Man that really inspires confidence. What I do know is that Shannon beat more teams with more than 7 wins than Golden.

 

[LEmeyers]

Right...and at
LEast shannnon had some quality wins. Shannon compiled his record against better teams.

Not true Nites. First 3 years Golden has won against more over .500 teams than Shannon plus faced MNC game teams in back to back years.
Seriously SHannon would have been lucky to win more than 9 games combined between 2011-2013 had he had that joke of a roster and the NCAA mess to deal with.

That's a lie. Shannon had 5 wins over teams that finsih over .500 alone in 2009 alone. Shannon had 9 wins total over .500 teams including two wins over double digit winning teams.

**** Golden has yet to beat a 9 win team here. He's only beaten 7 teams who've finished over .500. Most of those wins are against garbage 7-6 teams Lmao.

If you have to lie and make up stuff to win an argument you've already lost.

Shannon's 9 wins over teams finishing over .500

Texas A&M (7-6)
Florida st. (7-6)
Wake forest (8-5)
Virginia tech ( 10-4)
Florida st (7-6)
Georgia tech. (11-3)
Oklahoma (8-5)
Central fl. ( 8-5)
South fl (8-5)

Golden

Unc. (7-6)
Gt. (8-5)
Nc state ( 7-6)
V-tech (7-6)
Unc (7-6)
Gt. (7-6)
Pitt (7-6)

Look at Shannon's work and then look at goldens garbage. And Shannon had a better showing against the national championship team he played then golden did.

As you can see, Shannon clearly had the more quality wins his first three years. That's how pathetic golden is.

With the garbage schedule golden faced Shannon would have easily surpassed 9 wins. Had golden had to face the schedule Shannon faced history showes that golden would finish below .500. Golden is pathetic against teams that win more than they lose. Way worse than Shannon as you can see. Lmao

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Right...and at
LEast shannnon had some quality wins. Shannon compiled his record against better teams.

Not true Nites. First 3 years Golden has won against more over .500 teams than Shannon plus faced MNC game teams in back to back years.
Seriously SHannon would have been lucky to win more than 9 games combined between 2011-2013 had he had that joke of a roster and the NCAA mess to deal with.

That's a lie. Shannon had 5 wins over teams that finsih over .500 alone in 2009 alone. Shannon had 9 wins total over .500 teams including two wins over double digit winning teams.

**** Golden has yet to beat a 9 win team here. He's only beaten 7 teams who've finished over .500. Most of those wins are against garbage 7-6 teams Lmao.

If you have to lie and make up stuff to win an argument you've already lost.

Shannon's 9 wins over teams finishing over .500

Texas A&M (7-6)
Florida st. (7-6)
Wake forest (8-5)
Virginia tech ( 10-4)
Florida st (7-6)
Georgia tech. (11-3)
Oklahoma (8-5)
Central fl. ( 8-5)
South fl (8-5)

Golden

Unc. (7-6)
Gt. (8-5)
Nc state ( 7-6)
V-tech (7-6)
Unc (7-6)
Gt. (7-6)
Pitt (7-6)

Look at Shannon's work and then look at goldens garbage. And Shannon had a better showing against the national championship team he played then golden did.

As you can see, Shannon clearly had the more quality wins his first three years. That's how pathetic golden is.

With the garbage schedule golden faced Shannon would have easily surpassed 9 wins. Had golden had to face the schedule Shannon faced history showes that golden would finish below .500. Golden is pathetic against teams that win more than they lose. Way worse than Shannon as you can see. Lmao

Good job. shows how flawed going by solely on opponent wins to gauge quality wins.
No argument can be made that supports that beating a 8 win UCF or USF team is more impressive than beating one of the most talented teams in the Nation at relatively full strength when they beat UF.
But go ahead and knock yourself out thinking it is.
Matter of fact no team that Shannon teams beat were more talent than 2012 UF. Arguably OU. Maybe had Bradford played. But then again had he played we would have lost.

While we're at it throw 2011 OSU as being more talented than mostly all teams Shannon beat that you listed.

 

[poncho0091]

Right...and at
LEast shannnon had some quality wins. Shannon compiled his record against better teams.

Not true Nites. First 3 years Golden has won against more over .500 teams than Shannon plus faced MNC game teams in back to back years.
Seriously SHannon would have been lucky to win more than 9 games combined between 2011-2013 had he had that joke of a roster and the NCAA mess to deal with.

That's a lie. Shannon had 5 wins over teams that finsih over .500 alone in 2009 alone. Shannon had 9 wins total over .500 teams including two wins over double digit winning teams.

**** Golden has yet to beat a 9 win team here. He's only beaten 7 teams who've finished over .500. Most of those wins are against garbage 7-6 teams Lmao.

If you have to lie and make up stuff to win an argument you've already lost.

Shannon's 9 wins over teams finishing over .500

Texas A&M (7-6)
Florida st. (7-6)
Wake forest (8-5)
Virginia tech ( 10-4)
Florida st (7-6)
Georgia tech. (11-3)
Oklahoma (8-5)
Central fl. ( 8-5)
South fl (8-5)

Golden

Unc. (7-6)
Gt. (8-5)
Nc state ( 7-6)
V-tech (7-6)
Unc (7-6)
Gt. (7-6)
Pitt (7-6)

Look at Shannon's work and then look at goldens garbage. And Shannon had a better showing against the national championship team he played then golden did.

As you can see, Shannon clearly had the more quality wins his first three years. That's how pathetic golden is.

With the garbage schedule golden faced Shannon would have easily surpassed 9 wins. Had golden had to face the schedule Shannon faced history showes that golden would finish below .500. Golden is pathetic against teams that win more than they lose. Way worse than Shannon as you can see. Lmao

Good job. shows how flawed going by solely on opponent wins to gauge quality wins.
No argument can be made that supports that beating a 8 win UCF or USF team is more impressive than beating one of the most talented teams in the Nation at relatively full strength when they beat UF.
But go ahead and knock yourself out thinking it is.

Don't fool yourself. UF was not that talented. They have a legit defense, but that offense was horrible (and they still had a career day against us). In a bubble with no injuries in college football, Uf would likely have lost at least 5 this year. This team lost to Ga Southern. When you say one of the most talented teams in the country, that usually entails that they have depth as well as good starters. As a talented team, a few injuries should not have been enough for them to lose that one.

 

[poncho0091]

Right...and at
LEast shannnon had some quality wins. Shannon compiled his record against better teams.

Not true Nites. First 3 years Golden has won against more over .500 teams than Shannon plus faced MNC game teams in back to back years.
Seriously SHannon would have been lucky to win more than 9 games combined between 2011-2013 had he had that joke of a roster and the NCAA mess to deal with.

That's a lie. Shannon had 5 wins over teams that finsih over .500 alone in 2009 alone. Shannon had 9 wins total over .500 teams including two wins over double digit winning teams.

**** Golden has yet to beat a 9 win team here. He's only beaten 7 teams who've finished over .500. Most of those wins are against garbage 7-6 teams Lmao.

If you have to lie and make up stuff to win an argument you've already lost.

Shannon's 9 wins over teams finishing over .500

Texas A&M (7-6)
Florida st. (7-6)
Wake forest (8-5)
Virginia tech ( 10-4)
Florida st (7-6)
Georgia tech. (11-3)
Oklahoma (8-5)
Central fl. ( 8-5)
South fl (8-5)

Golden

Unc. (7-6)
Gt. (8-5)
Nc state ( 7-6)
V-tech (7-6)
Unc (7-6)
Gt. (7-6)
Pitt (7-6)

Look at Shannon's work and then look at goldens garbage. And Shannon had a better showing against the national championship team he played then golden did.

As you can see, Shannon clearly had the more quality wins his first three years. That's how pathetic golden is.

With the garbage schedule golden faced Shannon would have easily surpassed 9 wins. Had golden had to face the schedule Shannon faced history showes that golden would finish below .500. Golden is pathetic against teams that win more than they lose. Way worse than Shannon as you can see. Lmao

Thank you. I didn't feel like looking it up, but I knew it sounded wrong when he said it. Lets narrow down the list since he doesn't want to count UCF. First off, as far as I'm concerned, if UCF doesn't count then Al's only win against an 8 win UCONN doesn't count to me either, because UCONN in their best year is pretty average. Secondly, Randy has more wins against double digit teams than Al has against 8 win or more teams in his entire career.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Don't fool yourself. UF was not that talented. They have a legit defense, but that offense was horrible (and they still had a career day against us). In a bubble with no injuries in college football, Uf would likely have lost at least 5 this year. This team lost to Ga Southern. When you say one of the most talented teams in the country, that usually entails that they have depth as well as good starters. As a talented team, a few injuries should not have been enough for them to lose that one.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2013/8/15/4622368/sec-two-deep-talent-combined-o-and-d

Given how the final SEC standings align with the talent rankings below and how UF won 11 games last season and are being picked to be a top 15 this season it's clear to see that last seasons results were an anomaly driven by the unusually high number of injuries to their key players. Heck they were playing with a 3rd stringQB, walk on LBs. 3rd 4th string LBs.


SCHOOL OFFENSE DEFENSE COMBINED
Florida 3.65 4.16 3.90
Alabama 3.83 3.90 3.86
Auburn 3.73 3.57 3.65
LSU 3.64 3.57 3.60
Georgia 3.32 3.71 3.52
Tennessee 3.35 3.38 3.36
Texas A&M 3.32 3.23 3.28
South Carolina 3.14 3.32 3.23
Miss State 2.92 3.16 3.04
Missouri 3.10 2.82 2.96
Ole Miss 2.79 3.09 2.94
Arkansas 2.81 2.99 2.90
Vanderbilt 2.83 2.75 2.79
Kentucky 2.51 2.81 2.66

 

[poncho0091]

Don't fool yourself. UF was not that talented. They have a legit defense, but that offense was horrible (and they still had a career day against us). In a bubble with no injuries in college football, Uf would likely have lost at least 5 this year. This team lost to Ga Southern. When you say one of the most talented teams in the country, that usually entails that they have depth as well as good starters. As a talented team, a few injuries should not have been enough for them to lose that one.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2013/8/15/4622368/sec-two-deep-talent-combined-o-and-d

Given how the final SEC standings align with the talent rankings below and how UF won 11 games last season and are being picked to be a top 15 this season it's clear to see that last seasons results were an anomaly driven by the unusually high number of injuries to their key players. Heck they were playing with a 3rd stringQB, walk on LBs. 3rd 4th string LBs.


SCHOOL OFFENSE DEFENSE COMBINED
Florida 3.65 4.16 3.90
Alabama 3.83 3.90 3.86
Auburn 3.73 3.57 3.65
LSU 3.64 3.57 3.60
Georgia 3.32 3.71 3.52
Tennessee 3.35 3.38 3.36
Texas A&M 3.32 3.23 3.28
South Carolina 3.14 3.32 3.23
Miss State 2.92 3.16 3.04
Missouri 3.10 2.82 2.96
Ole Miss 2.79 3.09 2.94
Arkansas 2.81 2.99 2.90
Vanderbilt 2.83 2.75 2.79
Kentucky 2.51 2.81 2.66

Talent by recruiting rankings is fine. The secondary factor which is not accounted for is how well the coaches developed those players. We are all laughing about Florida with Muschamp. It's obvious the guy knows his stuff with the defense, but he has yet to find the right offense and players or to prove he can mold these players to fit his needs. There are those of us wondering the same case with out own coaching staff currently. Only time will tell.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Don't fool yourself. UF was not that talented. They have a legit defense, but that offense was horrible (and they still had a career day against us). In a bubble with no injuries in college football, Uf would likely have lost at least 5 this year. This team lost to Ga Southern. When you say one of the most talented teams in the country, that usually entails that they have depth as well as good starters. As a talented team, a few injuries should not have been enough for them to lose that one.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2013/8/15/4622368/sec-two-deep-talent-combined-o-and-d

Given how the final SEC standings align with the talent rankings below and how UF won 11 games last season and are being picked to be a top 15 this season it's clear to see that last seasons results were an anomaly driven by the unusually high number of injuries to their key players. Heck they were playing with a 3rd stringQB, walk on LBs. 3rd 4th string LBs.


SCHOOL OFFENSE DEFENSE COMBINED
Florida 3.65 4.16 3.90
Alabama 3.83 3.90 3.86
Auburn 3.73 3.57 3.65
LSU 3.64 3.57 3.60
Georgia 3.32 3.71 3.52
Tennessee 3.35 3.38 3.36
Texas A&M 3.32 3.23 3.28
South Carolina 3.14 3.32 3.23
Miss State 2.92 3.16 3.04
Missouri 3.10 2.82 2.96
Ole Miss 2.79 3.09 2.94
Arkansas 2.81 2.99 2.90
Vanderbilt 2.83 2.75 2.79
Kentucky 2.51 2.81 2.66

Talent by recruiting rankings is fine. The secondary factor which is not accounted for is how well the coaches developed those players. We are all laughing about Florida with Muschamp. It's obvious the guy knows his stuff with the defense, but he has yet to find the right offense and players or to prove he can mold these players to fit his needs. There are those of us wondering the same case with out own coaching staff currently. Only time will tell.

Say what you will but his run oriented offense won 11 games in 2012. No reason to think they couldn't win around 9-11 games this past season with healthy Driskell and running backs. Obviously their offensive formula of playing ball control offense by milking the clock and playing suffocating defense took a hit with the rash of injuries.
But I'm with you time will tell.. I'm just happen to be more on the optimistic side.

 

[poncho0091]

Don't fool yourself. UF was not that talented. They have a legit defense, but that offense was horrible (and they still had a career day against us). In a bubble with no injuries in college football, Uf would likely have lost at least 5 this year. This team lost to Ga Southern. When you say one of the most talented teams in the country, that usually entails that they have depth as well as good starters. As a talented team, a few injuries should not have been enough for them to lose that one.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2013/8/15/4622368/sec-two-deep-talent-combined-o-and-d

Given how the final SEC standings align with the talent rankings below and how UF won 11 games last season and are being picked to be a top 15 this season it's clear to see that last seasons results were an anomaly driven by the unusually high number of injuries to their key players. Heck they were playing with a 3rd stringQB, walk on LBs. 3rd 4th string LBs.


SCHOOL OFFENSE DEFENSE COMBINED
Florida 3.65 4.16 3.90
Alabama 3.83 3.90 3.86
Auburn 3.73 3.57 3.65
LSU 3.64 3.57 3.60
Georgia 3.32 3.71 3.52
Tennessee 3.35 3.38 3.36
Texas A&M 3.32 3.23 3.28
South Carolina 3.14 3.32 3.23
Miss State 2.92 3.16 3.04
Missouri 3.10 2.82 2.96
Ole Miss 2.79 3.09 2.94
Arkansas 2.81 2.99 2.90
Vanderbilt 2.83 2.75 2.79
Kentucky 2.51 2.81 2.66

Talent by recruiting rankings is fine. The secondary factor which is not accounted for is how well the coaches developed those players. We are all laughing about Florida with Muschamp. It's obvious the guy knows his stuff with the defense, but he has yet to find the right offense and players or to prove he can mold these players to fit his needs. There are those of us wondering the same case with out own coaching staff currently. Only time will tell.

Say what you will but his run oriented offense won 11 games in 2012. No reason to think they couldn't win around 9-11 games this past season with healthy Driskell and running backs. Obviously their offensive formula of playing ball control offense by milking the clock and playing suffocating defense took a hit with the rash of injuries.
But I'm with you time will tell.. I'm just happen to be more on the optimistic side.

I don't have a problem with Muschamp's gameplan. I just don't think he has the players to run it effectively yet. At the very least they are not developed to run it successfully yet. You need a smart qb if you are going to do that and Driskell makes way too many mistakes. I'm also not sold on their rbs last year for that either.

 

[LEmeyers]

Right...and at
LEast shannnon had some quality wins. Shannon compiled his record against better teams.

Not true Nites. First 3 years Golden has won against more over .500 teams than Shannon plus faced MNC game teams in back to back years.
Seriously SHannon would have been lucky to win more than 9 games combined between 2011-2013 had he had that joke of a roster and the NCAA mess to deal with.

That's a lie. Shannon had 5 wins over teams that finsih over .500 alone in 2009 alone. Shannon had 9 wins total over .500 teams including two wins over double digit winning teams.

**** Golden has yet to beat a 9 win team here. He's only beaten 7 teams who've finished over .500. Most of those wins are against garbage 7-6 teams Lmao.

If you have to lie and make up stuff to win an argument you've already lost.

Shannon's 9 wins over teams finishing over .500

Texas A&M (7-6)
Florida st. (7-6)
Wake forest (8-5)
Virginia tech ( 10-4)
Florida st (7-6)
Georgia tech. (11-3)
Oklahoma (8-5)
Central fl. ( 8-5)
South fl (8-5)

Golden

Unc. (7-6)
Gt. (8-5)
Nc state ( 7-6)
V-tech (7-6)
Unc (7-6)
Gt. (7-6)
Pitt (7-6)

Look at Shannon's work and then look at goldens garbage. And Shannon had a better showing against the national championship team he played then golden did.

As you can see, Shannon clearly had the more quality wins his first three years. That's how pathetic golden is.

With the garbage schedule golden faced Shannon would have easily surpassed 9 wins. Had golden had to face the schedule Shannon faced history showes that golden would finish below .500. Golden is pathetic against teams that win more than they lose. Way worse than Shannon as you can see. Lmao

Good job. shows how flawed going by solely on opponent wins to gauge quality wins.
No argument can be made that supports that beating a 8 win UCF or USF team is more impressive than beating one of the most talented teams in the Nation at relatively full strength when they beat UF.
But go ahead and knock yourself out thinking it is.
Matter of fact no team that Shannon teams beat were more talent than 2012 UF. Arguably OU. Maybe had Bradford played. But then again had he played we would have lost.

While we're at it throw 2011 OSU as being more talented than mostly all teams Shannon beat that you listed.

You got caught in a lie so you come back with more bs. 8-5 ou was more talented than any team ou has beat. Demarco Murray, Trent Williams, the dt...are all pro bowlers....not to mention the 15 plus guys drafted of this team playing in the nfl.

You don't know jack about ufs talent right now. 11-3 gt was also talented with the nfl rb, damarius Thomas, Morgan Burnett , the de , etc

Right now as it stands, Shannon beat better and more talented teams. Sorry but you don't know squat about the teams Golden beat.

 

[LEmeyers]

Don't fool yourself. UF was not that talented. They have a legit defense, but that offense was horrible (and they still had a career day against us). In a bubble with no injuries in college football, Uf would likely have lost at least 5 this year. This team lost to Ga Southern. When you say one of the most talented teams in the country, that usually entails that they have depth as well as good starters. As a talented team, a few injuries should not have been enough for them to lose that one.

http://www.teamspeedkills.com/2013/8/15/4622368/sec-two-deep-talent-combined-o-and-d

Given how the final SEC standings align with the talent rankings below and how UF won 11 games last season and are being picked to be a top 15 this season it's clear to see that last seasons results were an anomaly driven by the unusually high number of injuries to their key players. Heck they were playing with a 3rd stringQB, walk on LBs. 3rd 4th string LBs.


SCHOOL OFFENSE DEFENSE COMBINED
Florida 3.65 4.16 3.90
Alabama 3.83 3.90 3.86
Auburn 3.73 3.57 3.65
LSU 3.64 3.57 3.60
Georgia 3.32 3.71 3.52
Tennessee 3.35 3.38 3.36
Texas A&M 3.32 3.23 3.28
South Carolina 3.14 3.32 3.23
Miss State 2.92 3.16 3.04
Missouri 3.10 2.82 2.96
Ole Miss 2.79 3.09 2.94
Arkansas 2.81 2.99 2.90
Vanderbilt 2.83 2.75 2.79
Kentucky 2.51 2.81 2.66

Thanks for pointing out another golden short coming. Losing to teams like duke. According to recruit rankings Golden had the far superior team yet golden with all this returning talent in year 3, a sr qb, vet o-line , several players on defense with starting experince couldn't win the coastal.

Huge failure on Goldens part. Third place in a very very very weak coastal? Lmao.