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Molly McGrath talks to Behind the U about TVD and Dawson

Hoyacane1620 said:



2 min 10 second clip from Molly's interview with Behind the U

Great Listen. Explains alot about the rough part of the season. Also brings some questions back to the forefront about how Dawson did or didn't work with the QB room this season.

David Lake talked about what he saw as failures in their 247 podcast, too.

For me, it reinforces what I've said numerous times; it wasn't just on Tyler. He had to deal with the physical stuff and Dawson did little to nothing to help him with the offense until he had to.
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Even with the evidence presented to the board, the Mario Bros. are still entrenched in their belief that Mario has nothing to do with the offensive scheme and play calling.

First thing out of TVD’s mouth during spring of 2022 was that he hoped that Mario and Gattis would sit down with him and keep the plays that he was most comfortable with, and that helped him and our offense succeed under Lashlee. We all know that didn’t happen.

Fast forward to 2023 and we all now know that definitely didn’t happen with Dawson either.

I’ve said it til I’m blue in the face, Mario is always trying to fit circles into squares.

For those of you trying to use the “oh, he has to be able to run our whole playbook because if not he’ll never play in the NFL”, we don’t need him to play in the NFL, we needed him to lead the Hurricanes to victory. If successful in that part of it, he would have most likely gotten drafted pretty high because of his measurables and arm talent. Just run the **** plays that he’s great at. It’s simple, really.
 
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ideide1990 said:
We are in agreement, TVD played liked he needed Lasik, but against good teams and good db's they dont separate (George a little). We are running a form of the air raid with a non factor te instead of the 4 wr set typically seen under Leach, Mumme etc. Having a stiff like Mccormick on the field so much, allowed teams to play differently. TVD biggest issue, was missing so many easy checkdowns to the rb's, which were there all day.
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First of all, "good teams" have better DBs than most other teams, so we should EXPECT better coverage out of "better" teams.

Second, just going off of "talent" (and ignoring, for the moment, the fact that aTm imploded and fired Jimbo), we should point out that Miami scored 48 points against aTm and 31 points against North Carolina and Louisville. Yes, two of those games were losses, but those were also the two games in which our defense gave up the most points (41 and 38) all season long. But we DID have a decent passing effort against three "good" teams.

We DID struggle against "good" teams such as NC State and F$U. The only other "good" team we played was Clemson, perhaps we could put them in the "struggle" category too. However, there is also a common thread here, in that Emory started two of those games, and the defenses were ABSOLUTELY stacking the box and daring us to throw.

So...you know...again, our WRs got open all year long. Emory was under massive pressure against Clemson and F$U and did not have as much time to work through his progressions to find the open man.

But, unlike in prior years, we did NOT have a ton of drops, and we did NOT have an "inability to get separation". The play design on passing plays was pretty decent, if a big "tighter" than I prefer.

And McCormick was on the field for his run-blocking, not so much his pass-catching.

Just being honest.
 
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CaneTheGaytors said:
Even with the evidence presented to the board, the Mario Bros. are still entrenched in their belief that Mario has nothing to do with the offensive scheme and play calling.

First thing out of TVD’s mouth during spring of 2022 was that he hoped that Mario and Gattis would sit down with him and keep the plays that he was most comfortable with, and that helped him and our offense succeed under Lashlee. We all know that didn’t happen.

Fast forward to 2023 and we all now know that definitely didn’t happen with Dawson either.

I’ve said it til I’m blue in the face, Mario is always trying to fit circles into squares.

For those of you trying to use the “oh, he has to be able to run our whole playbook because if not he’ll never play in the NFL”, we don’t need him to play in the NFL, we needed him to lead the Hurricanes to victory. If successful in that part of it, he would have most likely gotten drafted pretty high because of his measurables and arm talent. Just run the **** plays that he’s great at. It’s simple, really.
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Ah, yes, the ridiculous logic and overgeneralizations of a Mario-hater.

I don't give a **** what the "first thing out of TVD's mouth" was during spring 2022. It's meaningless. Everyone agrees that Gattis was a "my way or the highway" *******, but you are trying to broaden that out to Mario. Why? Because you hate Mario, not because there is any evidence that Mario forced Gattis to act the way that he did. In fact, Mario made MULTIPLE efforts to get Gattis to work more harmoniously WITH PONCE, who is actually doing fairly well now that he is not yoked to Gattis. Mario made three separate efforts to have Gattis work better with Ponce, but Gattis was stubborn.

Now "fast forward to 2023", and you are slurping up the bull**** narrative that TVD/Rosenhaus gave to Molly McGrath. Why? Because you WANT to believe anything that makes Mario look bad (Dawson too).

And what is worse, is that you will ignore any evidence that doesn't suggest the conclusion that you have already made up in your own mind. You just choose not to read/comprehend/defend TVD's own history (as far back as with Lashlee) that he is uncommunicative and not fully honest in his assessments of what works and what does not work. NOPE, it's all about "Mario always trying to fit circles into squares".

Nobody is saying that TVD needs to make it to the NFL. But that is his goal, that is what he is working towards.

He's not gonna make it, though. Not with the gray matter that can't handle "gray areas".
 
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jakeman1 said:
Seems like when they remembered the TE position against BC, there were a lot more options.
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Shocking, huh?

But, still, who is "they"? Because the TE was frequently on the field and open in routes. Someone has to throw it to the TE.
 
Cribby said:
Exactly my point. Instead of keeping them in to block to sitting them down predictably they used sone creativity.
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We still get back to Mario only having TVD as the primary option. Thus, they went super conservative on protecting him which caused a **** ton of issues. Once they were willing to get out of max protect, the offense worked again even if we gave up negative plays on sacks.
 
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Canez1 said:
Aaaaaaaaaand then he said see ya ✌️
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Pretty sure this was a mutual parting of the ways. Highly doubt anyone was clamoring for Tyler Van Yips to return at this rate. Everybody involved needed a fresh start.

Dude was supposed to ball out in 2023 and play his way into a day one NFL selection.

Instead he basically failed his senior year and is now transferring out to safe face as it'd be too embarrassing to run it back.
 
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JustAFanHTX said:
Yeah this is crazy. And I’m like TVD’s biggest fan. I met him via FaceTime with coach during a playbook session. This kid is losing me by the second
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this information came from a brief conversation with TVD and a more in depth interview with Dawson.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Yes sir. And you are one of the guys who actually gets this, and understands.

Kid has gone from "oh, Coach Dawson is giving me sooooo much freedom and I love it" to "oh, Coach Dawson, I don't want the freedom, take the freedom away and tell me what to do on every play" in the span of a few months.

I feel bad for TVD for the three injuries. I don't feel bad about his MULTIPLE attempts to get paid more.

But I am ESPECIALLY ****ed off by this late-season excuse-making about "gray areas" and "not wanting to improvise".
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what excuse? YOU are labelling a conversation. Most of that information was told to her by DAWSON, not TVD
 
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Cribby said:
Tyler has been destroyed non stop since GT. It’s not caping if you speak facts that’s part of the entire equation. Fact is fans like to put it all on players especially because they can move on. It’s hard to put anything on a former player making over 80 million dollars and isn’t going anywhere. If was all Gattis last year. This year it’s all TVD.
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It's more CIS wanting to throw guys away just for "new". Can't wait to see who they bring in that's "better".
 
Canesq said:
I love me some receipts. I especially love receipts that contain admissions by party opponents. Well done.
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Yup. Tyler Van Done fails to accept that his inability to read a zone defense and to throw 11 interceptions against the likes of GT, UNC, UVA, NCST and FSU is what destroyed this season.

That, plus two fumbles on him over that stretch—it put Miami into a 15-to-5 turnover ratio against opponents—and I don't care who the head coach or offensive coordinator is, you're not winning too many ballgames when losing a 3-to-1 turnover ration on average for half the season.

Take away the Kinchens' pick-six and Van Dyke is responsible for 0-5 in games he started and didn't deliver (outside Louisville, where he played well enough to win but didn't convert late and the defense faltered.)
 
TexasCane90 said:
The O sucked from GT till Louisville

We won the Clemson game with a true freshmen who had to have a watered down offense and almost beat a top 5 FSU team with that same watered down offense till TVD came and made a point not to hit X on the crossing pattern but across his body for the game sealing pick…

I know your plugged in… it’s absolutely unthinkable that there wasn’t this same “talk” prior to the season… his first four weeks of the season he was making himself at least a day 2 draft pick.
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The offense didn't suck at GT or UNC. Against GT he threw 67% completion and 288 yards. Just had 3 crucial INTs.

UNC he threw 63% for 391 yards.

Neither of those losses were his fault.
 
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Was Tyler quiet in meetings as he looked on the sidelines? Dawson had to shake him to get him to speak up? Was Dawson frustrated with lack of response from Tyler? Whatever. Moving on. Go Canes.
 
Yoyo82 said:
The offense didn't suck at GT or UNC. Against GT he threw 67% completion and 288 yards. Just had 3 crucial INTs.

UNC he threw 63% for 391 yards.

Neither of those losses were his fault.
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GT loss was definitely on TVD with those picks…

UNC was a decent game but the defense definitely got gashed and that was a loss no matter what unless TVD replicated his TAMU numbers

Dawson I thought did a good job this season… the curveball of his incumbent starter going AWOL mid season and having two games with a true freshmen he still hit id say a good double on the season
 
TexasCane90 said:
GT loss was definitely on TVD with those picks…

UNC was a decent game but the defense definitely got gashed and that was a loss no matter what unless TVD replicated his TAMU numbers

Dawson I thought did a good job this season… the curveball of his incumbent starter going AWOL mid season and having two games with a true freshmen he still hit id say a good double on the season
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GT still should have been a win even with those INTs. Mario's mistake was way worse than TVD's 3 INTs and then Kam's was just as bad.
 
canecane232323 said:
Thats not what was said. He didnt like RPO. Tyler didnt like the RPO plays and the option for it. You wouldnt run RPO with someone like Brady or Manning (not presnap check which they both did) It is explained better in the end when she says she talked to Mcelroy. He didnt like all the options either, he just wanted to go through his progressions and throw. As much as everyone thinks RPO gives you advantages, it also has draw backs. There are still coaches who dont like it. RPO can be a pain in the *** for protections too, oline dont push down field on the runs and dont drop into pass protect completely on the passes. There are tons of qbs who feel the same way.

Peyton Manning saying he hates the options from RPOs.
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Not only a Great Post....but 100% Spot on....
 
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