Miami's Portal Class

[birdicane9177]

I think if you get the same as last year from both coordinators Miami wins 10 with ease. TVD ruined lik 5 games by being brain dead

did he even have a brain?

 

[Pentagon Cane]

97 was somewhat expected though…

2022 after everything…

Good lord why are we doing this to ourselves

Water over the bridge.

 

[NorthEastCane]

Nope, but you missed the point

What point was that? I didn't see one.

like many of the slurpers on this board.

Slurpers! LOL. I'm non-judgmental, as anyone should be that has only a limited view of what's happening inside. We're not a complete team/program. It is possible to see both the growth we've made and the problems that remain. You mopes/slurps just obsess over half of the picture.

I want Mario to succeed and lead us back to prominence, but so far a 12-13 record, multiple blowout losses and the GT disaster still happened.

So what? Are you telling us anything we don't know?

The roster that Mario inherited is only rivaled by the ones that Butch (95) and Saban/Schellenberger (77) inherited. Their results didn't show in year 2. Upgrading talent is one thing but culture takes time before the effects are visible. Last season, it seemed like every game was a different unforced error. You'll know things are changing when those are eliminated, and the team plays like they know how to win.

But it needs to start showing on the field. Talent is no longer the reason for not seeing it. That's what this season will be about.

 

[AtrainCane]

Diaz through 2 years at UM was 14-10. Cristobal through 2 years at UM is 12-13. IbzRlz didn't realize Mario needed $8 MILLION/year and MASSIVE amounts of resources to be under .500 at UM

The post you replied to literally told you the answer to your response. Manny recruited like sht and Mario was left holding the bag after he was fired. That’s y Mario is under 500 here up to this moment.

I’ve typed this too many times recently but I’ll type it again. The classes that should be the foundation of our team aren’t there because of Mannys recruiting. 20,21 and 22 classes are the real problem. They left a gaping hole in the roster. Mario’s first real class has been on campus for approximately 1 calendar year.

 

[Kn[]_[]ckles3o5]

I just posted the schedules for 2019-2020 vs. 2022-2023.

Do w/ it as u will. The fact is we played more sub .500 teams in 2022 than 2019. Also, at the very minimum we should’ve been a 7-5 team in 2022, not 5-7

Yea but looking at the sched Manny lost to a bunch of bad teams in 2019 and managed to beat some teams he shouldn't have based on record. If Diaz just beats the teams he should have then we win 10 games, that’s why he got fired.

In 2022 Mario beat every ****** team we played and failed to beat the more competitive teams. Say what you want about how the games went in 2023 but the same holds true. Mario has not lost to sub 500 P4 teams or crappy non P4 teams while at Miami.

My biggest gripe with every coach we have had since our last Natty has been the bad losses. Good coaches beat the bad teams every time. The definition of bad can be argued based on talent level and league. In this case I am considering any above 500 P4 team or 8+ win non P4 team to be well coached and reasonably competitive.

Until we see the results this season it’ll continue to be a chicken egg argument. Is Mario only losing to well coached teams because he is a bad coach or is it because when you have multiple glaring holes on a roster good coaches will exploit them.

We have all lamented the no shows in the big games over the years. Mario did not have that problem in 2023. We were competitive in every game that mattered. Losing to GT felt like the FIU or MTSU loss but it wasn’t. GT became a solid team last year.

Jury is definitely still out but as a lot of pro Mario posters have said there is evidence that we are doing things the right way. Looking at our roster the holes are becoming less and less prevalent and the strengths are growing.

 

[Damiencane86]

The season needs to start badly when people are doing PhD analysis on Mario vs Manny SoS sheesh

 

[Cane_J15]

I don't think that plays into it that I know of.

I do think when 247 rates a high school player highly, and they transfer after 1-2 seasons, they don't want to lower their transfer ranking too much because then it shows their "evaluations" aren't that good. They try to hold close to their high school ranking in hopes they eventually peform better in years 2-4.

For example they have Julian Sayin ranked ahead of Cam Ward. That is assinine. Their is not 1 single Head Coach in America that would take Sayin over Ward for the 2024 season.

One is a proven high level power 5 QB that has thrown for almost 7,000 yards last 2 seasons, and has 61 combined TD's, and the other hasn't taken a single snap, but Sayin was ranked as a 5 star high school prospect. They also have Dante Moore ranked ahead of Ward. I like Moore, and I think he can be a good college QB, but their is no way you can rank him above Ward right now.

They have Jalen Brown ranked ahead of Tyler Barron. I like Marvin Jones Jr, but you can't rank him above Tyler Barron.


Malik Benson, Shawn Murphy are top 100 portal players. They have Earl Little ranked ahead of Meesh Powell.

Shows ranking mean nothing Mario needs to build an elite staff of talent evaluators there football players everywhere! I spent my senior year in Park City Utah. Nothing but rich white kids we had around 15 players run a 4.5 and under on laser that were skill position players. The coach chose to run triple option with lineman no bigger than 240. lol my point is there's talent everywhere! Now saying that it's kinda insane CRAZY a 3a school in the mountains of Utah had more **** team speed then we've had at the university of Miami lol gotta get it right and we're headed in the right direction!

 

[harphong]

Mario, please... please let Guidry and Dawson cook; wear the (unplugged) headset and yell and **** at everybody, rip Jacoby a new one when he commits a UC, smack Luis around when Francis gives up a pressure, help Cam McCormick file his SS papers, wrap Zion's legs... do whatever (including taking a kneel).

Just don't crash this Ferrari that you've worked so hard for.

Just hafta reply to double updoot you for this succinct summation. AMEN.

 

[harphong]

The season needs to start badly when people are doing PhD analysis on Mario vs Manny SoS sheesh

****, for the last 20, doing the review of these anal-eeses is better than watching the games....

 

[harphong]

We don't have average coaching though. Mario has proven time and again he is far below average when it comes to game-day coaching. I mean the guy has refused to take a knee not once, but twice, in his career that cost his team a win. He is an awesome recruiter though. If, as others have said, he gets out of the way and let's his coordinators do their thing, we win 11 games, the ACC championship and make the playoff...this team has the talent plus a relatively easy schedule. Fingers crossed

Dude, this is what kills me when I read Brooklyn Dee's post on spell it out...i reach for that cotttdammed sippee cup of purple drank.....and then I get the gut full of cringe on our OB curse on QB/key player injuries early and often....aaaannnnd I'm still at 7-5 with a Sunbowl loss . FML

 

[harphong]

Does 2024 Miami have more talent than 2023 FSU?

If Travis doesn’t break his leg, they 1000% go to the playoffs. And that’s a 4 team playoff, not 12 like this year.

I think this team is as talented as FSU was last year. So why can’t the ceiling be the roof? Coach with some competence and let your QB cook. Your DL has 47 combined career sacks, more than anyone in the nation. You got 3 of the 10 best receivers in the ACC. You got a Top 5 national back. You got 5 stars on both lines. Go get it the **** done.

Found the flaw, bruv. I love me some Guidry and upper mids on Dawson, but am a fullon hatin *** towards Mario's GDC.

He can't possibly mess this up, right? NSFMF!

 

[harphong]

We have several holes in our starting unit that we'll need to address but top to bottom night and day. Last year's team should've beat that trash and several others as well. Trust me I get it. You guys can't wait to say we should get to tear into him. If only y'all would use that same energy to celebrate anything he does this place might actually be tolerable.

Can't wait to take a bag full of Ls to the face on my Mario hatin'.

 

[harphong]

I think people tend to downplay just how tied Dawson’s hands were at quarterback last year. Whether TVD was injured, mentally out of it or whatever, once he crashed they had no other alternatives. Tyler against Virginia might have been the most limited I’ve seen a quarterback since Kirby Freeman. Maybe you can pin some of the blame on coaches for not having any other option at quarterback because Emory Williams should never have been our #2. But really, what do you do as a coach in that situation besides go super conservative because you don’t have a quarterback who can complete passes?

Good quarterback play would have gotten us 10 regular season wins last year. Georgia Tech, NC State and FSU would all have been wins if we just got something out of the quarterback position

Agreed Fully - been hatin on Mario a lot in this thread, but yes, TVD/Kirby comparison - apt and HARSH. love it.

Hence, stil upper mids on Dawson.

That piffledinger and Emory are our # 2s does NOT inspire confidence that we are built for a run, all other great factors notwithstanding.

Can just as easily see us in an eerily similar situation this year. Forget who said it - but UF loss, room of mercenaries - tankage begins..

OL and DL looking deep, bodes well.

WR and TEs - nice, but without Cam - well - you alrady said it.

RB DM goes down? RB room is not that deep(yet) (pause?)

Inured to at least 2 more years of Mario to build, but there's gotta be some build.

Would be happy with 9-3 reg , even 8-5, bowl win, so long as it was due to injuries and CFB being CFB and we coniue to NOT get MTSU'd and the rest of 22'd.

 

[Rellyrell]

Yea but looking at the sched Manny lost to a bunch of bad teams in 2019 and managed to beat some teams he shouldn't have based on record. If Diaz just beats the teams he should have then we win 10 games, that’s why he got fired.

In 2022 Mario beat every ****** team we played and failed to beat the more competitive teams. Say what you want about how the games went in 2023 but the same holds true. Mario has not lost to sub 500 P4 teams or crappy non P4 teams while at Miami.

My biggest gripe with every coach we have had since our last Natty has been the bad losses. Good coaches beat the bad teams every time. The definition of bad can be argued based on talent level and league. In this case I am considering any above 500 P4 team or 8+ win non P4 team to be well coached and reasonably competitive.

Until we see the results this season it’ll continue to be a chicken egg argument. Is Mario only losing to well coached teams because he is a bad coach or is it because when you have multiple glaring holes on a roster good coaches will exploit them.

We have all lamented the no shows in the big games over the years. Mario did not have that problem in 2023. We were competitive in every game that mattered. Losing to GT felt like the FIU or MTSU loss but it wasn’t. GT became a solid team last year.

Jury is definitely still out but as a lot of pro Mario posters have said there is evidence that we are doing things the right way. Looking at our roster the holes are becoming less and less prevalent and the strengths are growing.

Here’s the only point I agree w/: every coach we’ve had since 2002 have had some bad, inexplicable losses.

However, everything else U stated? Nah.

This is why it’s a moot point to try to compare 2019 to 2022:

1. 2019 featured a coach w/ zero experience inheriting a 7-6 football team & went 6-7 in his first yr, while an 11th year HC from a P5 school inherited a 7-5 team & went 5-7.

2. U said The GT loss was like the FIU loss in 2019 or MTSU in 2022, but it really wasn’t b/c GT was a solid team? May I ask what kind of circular reasoning is this??? Each loss are bad on their own merit, but let me eloquently state why GT was exponentially worst than those aforementioned: B/c we had a 99.9999999999999% chance of beating GT when there was nothing GT could do w/ the clock & a knee ends the game.

To put in context:
During a paternity test, if u’re deemed 99.9999999999999% that u r the Father, get ready for child support. The odds of man being the father w/ a 0.000000000001 r the same odds of **** freezing over, while a shark is attacking u, holding a winning Powerball ticket, while being struck by lightning, & a Legend of Zelda tornado lands both u & that hungry shark to the top of Mount Everest at the same **** time.

That’s the level of phenomena we saw during the GT debacle.

3. Friend, lemme give u a blind sample:

Loss by 10 to a Top 25 team
Loss by 5 to a Top 15 team
Loss by 7 to a top 20 team
Loss by 2 to a top 10 team

Would u say Team A, listed above, was competitive in big games w/ these close losses? Yeah, that’s the Florida Gators under Napier. Idgaf bout no close losses, blood.

The circular reasoning that’s used is wild to me. It’s a lot of strawman & revisionist history to pacify what ur eyes have seen. Cut that **** out. Two things can be true at the same time:

1. The 1st two yrs have been absolute cluster fcks, period.
2. We have a grand opportunity to put those 1st two yrs way in the rear view mirror.

Mario is a grown *** coach, & the majority of us r grown *** fans. We have eyes, and a good portion of us watch other programs in much worst shape turn around w/in TWO-THREE YEARS w/o a 1/10th of the resource or talent. Just stop.

No excuses in 2024-2025, & no justification for 2022-2023.

 

[hiphopanimal]

Here’s the only point I agree w/: every coach we’ve had since 2002 have had some bad, inexplicable losses.

However, everything else U stated? Nah.

This is why it’s a moot point to try to compare 2019 to 2022:

1. 2019 featured a coach w/ zero experience inheriting a 7-6 football team & went 6-7 in his first yr, while an 11th year HC from a P5 school inherited a 7-5 team & went 5-7.

2. U said The GT loss was like the FIU loss in 2019 or MTSU in 2022, but it really wasn’t b/c GT was a solid team? May I ask what kind of circular reasoning is this??? Each loss are bad on their merit, but let me eloquently state why GT was exponentially worst than those aforementioned: B/c we had a 99.9999999999999% chance of beating GT when there was nothing GT could do w/ the clock & a knee ends the game.

To put in context:
During a paternity test, if u’re deemed 99.9999999999999% that u r the Father, get ready for child support. The odds of man being the father w/ a 0.000000000001 r the same odds of **** freezing over, while a shark is attacking u, holding a winning Powerball ticket, while being struck by lightning, & a Legend of Zelda tornado lands both u & that hungry shark to the top of Mount Everest at the same **** time.

That’s the level of phenomena we saw during the GT debacle.

3. Friend, lemme give u an blind sample:

Loss by 10 to a Top 25 team
Loss by 5 to a Top 15 team
Loss by 7 to a top 20 team
Loss by 2 to a top 10 team

Would u say Team A, listed above was competitive in big games w/ these close losses? Yeah, that’s the Florida Gators under Napier. Idgaf bout no close losses, blood.

The circular reasoning that’s used is wild to me. It’s a lot of strawman & revisionist history to pacify what ur eyes have seen. Cut that **** out. Two things can be true at the same time:

1. The 1st two yrs have been absolute cluster fcks, period.
2. We have a grand opportunity to put those 1st two yrs way in the rear view mirror.

Mario is a grown *** coach, & the majority of us r grown *** fans. We have eyes, and a good portion of us watch other programs in much worst shape turn around w/in TWO-THREE YEARS w/o a 1/10 of the resource or talent. Just stop.

No excuses in 2024-2025, & no justification for 2022-2023.

BIG facts

 

[cway313]

Here’s the only point I agree w/: every coach we’ve had since 2002 have had some bad, inexplicable losses.

However, everything else U stated? Nah.

This is why it’s a moot point to try to compare 2019 to 2022:

1. 2019 featured a coach w/ zero experience inheriting a 7-6 football team & went 6-7 in his first yr, while an 11th year HC from a P5 school inherited a 7-5 team & went 5-7.

2. U said The GT loss was like the FIU loss in 2019 or MTSU in 2022, but it really wasn’t b/c GT was a solid team? May I ask what kind of circular reasoning is this??? Each loss are bad on their merit, but let me eloquently state why GT was exponentially worst than those aforementioned: B/c we had a 99.9999999999999% chance of beating GT when there was nothing GT could do w/ the clock & a knee ends the game.

To put in context:
During a paternity test, if u’re deemed 99.9999999999999% that u r the Father, get ready for child support. The odds of man being the father w/ a 0.000000000001 r the same odds of **** freezing over, while a shark is attacking u, holding a winning Powerball ticket, while being struck by lightning, & a Legend of Zelda tornado lands both u & that hungry shark to the top of Mount Everest at the same **** time.

That’s the level of phenomena we saw during the GT debacle.

3. Friend, lemme give u an blind sample:

Loss by 10 to a Top 25 team
Loss by 5 to a Top 15 team
Loss by 7 to a top 20 team
Loss by 2 to a top 10 team

Would u say Team A, listed above was competitive in big games w/ these close losses? Yeah, that’s the Florida Gators under Napier. Idgaf bout no close losses, blood.

The circular reasoning that’s used is wild to me. It’s a lot of strawman & revisionist history to pacify what ur eyes have seen. Cut that **** out. Two things can be true at the same time:

1. The 1st two yrs have been absolute cluster fcks, period.
2. We have a grand opportunity to put those 1st two yrs way in the rear view mirror.

Mario is a grown *** coach, & the majority of us r grown *** fans. We have eyes, and a good portion of us watch other programs in much worst shape turn around w/in TWO-THREE YEARS w/o a 1/10th of the resource or talent. Just stop.

No excuses in 2024-2025, & no justification for 2022-2023.

 

[No_Fly_Zone]

Here’s the only point I agree w/: every coach we’ve had since 2002 have had some bad, inexplicable losses.

However, everything else U stated? Nah.

This is why it’s a moot point to try to compare 2019 to 2022:

1. 2019 featured a coach w/ zero experience inheriting a 7-6 football team & went 6-7 in his first yr, while an 11th year HC from a P5 school inherited a 7-5 team & went 5-7.

2. U said The GT loss was like the FIU loss in 2019 or MTSU in 2022, but it really wasn’t b/c GT was a solid team? May I ask what kind of circular reasoning is this??? Each loss are bad on their own merit, but let me eloquently state why GT was exponentially worst than those aforementioned: B/c we had a 99.9999999999999% chance of beating GT when there was nothing GT could do w/ the clock & a knee ends the game.

To put in context:
During a paternity test, if u’re deemed 99.9999999999999% that u r the Father, get ready for child support. The odds of man being the father w/ a 0.000000000001 r the same odds of **** freezing over, while a shark is attacking u, holding a winning Powerball ticket, while being struck by lightning, & a Legend of Zelda tornado lands both u & that hungry shark to the top of Mount Everest at the same **** time.

That’s the level of phenomena we saw during the GT debacle.

3. Friend, lemme give u a blind sample:

Loss by 10 to a Top 25 team
Loss by 5 to a Top 15 team
Loss by 7 to a top 20 team
Loss by 2 to a top 10 team

Would u say Team A, listed above was competitive in big games w/ these close losses? Yeah, that’s the Florida Gators under Napier. Idgaf bout no close losses, blood.

The circular reasoning that’s used is wild to me. It’s a lot of strawman & revisionist history to pacify what ur eyes have seen. Cut that **** out. Two things can be true at the same time:

1. The 1st two yrs have been absolute cluster fcks, period.
2. We have a grand opportunity to put those 1st two yrs way in the rear view mirror.

Mario is a grown *** coach, & the majority of us r grown *** fans. We have eyes, and a good portion of us watch other programs in much worst shape turn around w/in TWO-THREE YEARS w/o a 1/10th of the resource or talent. Just stop.

No excuses in 2024-2025, & no justification for 2022-2023.

Those Legend of Zelda portal tornadoes don't ***** around, lol.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Found the flaw, bruv. I love me some Guidry and upper mids on Dawson, but am a fullon hatin *** towards Mario's GDC.

He can't possibly mess this up, right? NSFMF!

What if I told you the defense was 36th in the country in YPP allowed, while the offense was 28th in the country in YPP gained?

What if I told you the defense was 47th in the country in points allowed per game, while the offense was 38th in the country in points scored per game?

 

[Brooklyndee]

For the final time bud nobody is saying it was a good decision, but you also can't fumble in that kind of moment. A rb has to have the presence of mind to prioritize ball security in that moment. If you think Diaz is a better coach that's your prerogative to believe. I'm going to let this season play out and reassess from there rather than keep crying over spilled milk.

People on here clearly are incapable of context. They can't put into the equation there's varying factors into one failure. That it's not simply this occurred because A was the fault behind all of this. It's tough to comprehend while A can be in the wrong, B still had to do this wrong, C still had to do that wrong D had to do that wrong, and all of them combined made the end result that we witnessed. One is no more egregious than the others. Unless you simply say well A is the top of the totem pole. But if that's the case then you gotta give him the credit when things are going right as well. The fact that there's video that literally shows the man saying Time to take a knee is irrelevant because he didn't simply get on the radio and say mother ****** you're taking a knee. It's a really annoying double standard. It's comparing two years of Mandy diaz as a head coach to two years of mario like its apples to apples when Mandy took over for a team that he himself was in large part a factor in building. Like Mandy wasn't around since 17 or whatever as a DC and making all those decisions with his bartender buddy on who to go after. Well Mario simply took over a team that Mandy had gave up on and only had one decent year(because of COVID)for results. They blame Mario for 22 like he didn't build that **** from **** near scratch in several weeks on his own. Not to mention a lot of pieces you get in situations like that may work on teams where they're complimentary pieces opposed to in our situation where we were building essentially from scratch. Is what it is.

 

[canes732]

did he even have a brain?

No should’ve asked Dorothy to help him get one