Miami up to 13th in AP Poll; Still 14th in Coaches

[TriniMike]

Top 10 teams just aren't losing to lower ranked or unranked teams yet. We won't move up until that happens or if we beat FSU.

You know whoever loses that Clemson/FSU game is going to drop huge, especially if it's FSU.

I'm not worried about UCLA, in three weeks they will either be behind Miami or the #1 team in the country. Oregon and Stanford will knock one out, same thing with LSU and Texas A&M.

Florida could do us a solid beating UGA because they only play UF and cupcakes to close out their season before the SECCG.

If FSU loses close, I don't see them falling very far. I would like to see FL dismantle LSU next Sat. for sure!

 

[SmokeyRone]

the only team i have an issue with being ranked above us is south carolina. they've been mediocre all year.

UCLA and LSU have a combined 0 wins against anybody. aTm has no wins of any merit as well.

 

[Consigliere]

These sec teams that are in the polls are good teams. They are getting the benefit of the doubt becuse their are known entities, with good players, and are coming off good years.

Please explain what South Carolina, Texas A&M and LSU have done to prove they are good teams.

That is the thing, they have done squat. They all have good losses but ZERO quality wins. In fact if UGA would have lost, in theory USCe and LSU would have nothing to defend their ranking.

USCe is 4-1 (2-1)

Wins: UNC 1-4 (0-2), Vandy 3-3 (0-3), @UCF 4-1 (0-1) and UK 1-4 (0-2) = Combined 9-12 (0-7) *None of their wins have a win in the conference they play in*

Loss: @ UGA 4-1 (3-0)

Overall W/L = 13-13 (3-7)

LSU 5-1 (2-1)

Wins: @TCU 2-3 (0-2), UAB 1-4 (0-1), Kent State 1-4 (1-2), Auburn 4-1 (2-1) and @ Miss St 2-3 (0-2) = Combined 10-15 (3-8)

Loss: @ UGA 4-1 (3-1)

Overall W/L:14-16 (6-9)

TAMpon 4-1 (1-1)

Wins: Rice 3-2 (2-0), Sam Houston 4-1 (0-0), SMU 1-4 (0-1), @ Ark 3-3 (0-2) = Combined 11-10 (2-3)

Loss: Alabama 5-0 (2-0)

Combined W/L: 16-10 (4-3)

 

[PharmCane305]

These sec teams that are in the polls are good teams. They are getting the benefit of the doubt becuse their are known entities, with good players, and are coming off good years.

Please explain what South Carolina, Texas A&M and LSU have done to prove they are good teams.

and how has Miami proved we are a "good team"?

Won every single game we've played for one thing, something that LSU, A&M and Carolina couldn't do.

I don't have a problem with the rankings, looking at the 1 loss teams ahead of us.
-UGA has played 3 solid teams thus far (would we win 2 of 3 if we played Clemson, South Carolina, and LSU?)
-Texas A&M loss by a TD to the #1 ranked team in the nation (Would we beat or keep it within a TD if we played Alabama 3 weeks into the season?)
-LSU beat a a ranked TCU team, and loss a close game at UGA (if we went to UGA would we beat UGA or keep it within 3 points?)

Point is SEC teams are playing solid games early in the season while we have not (**** no ACC teams have played anyone yet aside Clemson) . The team we should be ****ing that is ahead of us is Louisville, what a joke of a schedule and when BCS rankings come out if will reflect that.

TCU is garbage, last in Big 12. Lets get that right out of the way.

A&M lost the one tough game they had, their defense is worse than ours was last year.

LSU has beaten no one. Georgia has beaten LSU and struggled to beat Tennessee a team Oregon beat by 6 touchdowns.

What SEC teams are playing solid games exactly? The ones against each other that are inflated because of hilariously bad preseason rankings?

So if we played the teams and their schedules I mentioned we would be undefeated as well? Tough call, we barely beat a bad UF team at home.

UGA struggled to beat UT due to all of their injuries, we would have trouble if we had Duke Johnson out and our WR's as well.

Just saying at the end of the season we will see Bama, Texas A&M, LSU, UGA and possibly South Carolina close the season as a solid teams.

If we played any of those one loss teams we would be in a dogfight, if Morris's ankle was a concern I would say they may be losses.

I'm as big a Canes Fan as anyone on here but lets get real. And IMO preseason rankings should be in place and are right majority of time- Bama, USCe, UGA and LSU bring back their QB's, the most important position and have very talented teams and solid coaching. SEC is known for consistency. Just because we go 5-0 now we can hang with them? From a Cane's fan perspective sure, in all honesty we would be underdogs (and therefore they should be ranked ahead of us).

 

[TricountyCane]

If we take care of our own schedule we will be where we want to be. We will have to play two top tens to get into the NCG. SEC will either eliminate each other from the championship or they will have one undefeated team, PAC-12 will take care of itself and the BIG 10 and BIG 12 are both jokes in terms of strength of schedule. Even if OREGON wins out I think an ACC team gets the nod because the "big three" would have all played and beaten a highly ranked SEC team to get there.

 

[407cane]

These sec teams that are in the polls are good teams. They are getting the benefit of the doubt becuse their are known entities, with good players, and are coming off good years.

Please explain what South Carolina, Texas A&M and LSU have done to prove they are good teams.

and how has Miami proved we are a "good team"?

UF had five turnovers (although we forced most) and it was still a close game. Did you see how pedestrian our offense was for all but the first quarter?

We had 4 turnovers vs Ga Tech and it was close into the fourth. That's a top 15 team at home vs. an unranked team.

I don't have a problem with the rankings, looking at the 1 loss teams ahead of us.
-UGA has played 3 solid teams thus far (would we win 2 of 3 if we played Clemson, South Carolina, and LSU?)
-Texas A&M loss by a TD to the #1 ranked team in the nation (Would we beat or keep it within a TD if we played Alabama 3 weeks into the season?)
-LSU beat a a ranked TCU team, and loss a close game at UGA (if we went to UGA would we beat UGA or keep it within 3 points?)

Point is SEC teams are playing solid games early in the season while we have not (**** no ACC teams have played anyone yet aside Clemson) . The team we should be ****ing that is ahead of us is Louisville, what a joke of a schedule and when BCS rankings come out if will reflect that.

you're taking this a little too seriously, some of us just like discussing rankings, nobody on here is saying miami is a top 8 team or anything.


that said , the argument you presented relies solely upon pre rankings, which is what the whole thread is about. we disagree in the pre rankings.

You say that UGA has played three solid teams? yes solid sure, but HOW SOLID? should USCe and LSU be that highly ranked in the top of the year? imo, **** no. USCe has struggled in two straight games against UCF and Kentucky. LSU's defense is miserable and their only win is against the worst TCU team in several years.

I'm not saying miami should be higher or lower, I think 11-13 range is good, with us being above oklahoma would be perfect.

The pre ranking system is miserable, and it handicaps nearly every team outside of the SEC. LSU, UGA, ATM, and USCe all have one loss and are all in/near top ten poised for a national championship run for no reason other than ESPN has built their conference up so much that they get passes for their in conference losses.

It's a complete joke, especially considering the SEC is down this year. Their defenses are no longer legendary and actually pretty terrible (which might go to show how bad their offenses were the last few years). Alabama is no longer unbeatable and Clemson beating UGA and LSU over the the course of the last half year has shown that it's a sham.


I agree that the last poll is all that matters and if miami takes care of business then its fine,

but to me, its hilarious to me that they highly rank these SEC teams throughout the course of the season and all offseason strictly for money reasons. A lot of the pollers work for espn affiliated outlets or the company itself, who just so happens to have a mega deal with the SEC. higher ranked teams on their networks = more viewers = more money.

 

[dfreshhookup]

And IMO preseason rankings should be in place and are right majority of time

That's a dumb statement and you should feel bad for making it. There's literally nothing that supports that statement whatsoever. You know who were the last two preseason #1's? Southern California and Oklahoma.

 

[PharmCane305]

All I'm saying is I agree with the rankings. Those that are getting serious are those moaning that the AP poll and Coaches poll has 1 loss teams ahead of us- who cares?! It's midway through season and it's not even the BCS rankings.

If Consigliere did the analysis he just did for Miami it would be pretty bad as well. FAU is 2-4, USF is 1-4, Savannah state, lets not go there.

I could care less where we are right now, BCS rankings are what matters.

 

[PharmCane305]

And IMO preseason rankings should be in place and are right majority of time

That's a dumb statement and you should feel bad for making it. There's literally nothing that supports that statement whatsoever. You know who were the last two preseason #1's? Southern California and Oklahoma.

The only fans that whine about preseason rankings are fans of teams that haven't done much. I honestly don't see the problem rewarding teams for last years performance through preseason rankings. The majority of team comes back, most of the time the coaching staff remains intact.

If we do real well this year and are preseason top 5 NO ONE will be moaning about preseason rankings.

 

[Consigliere]

And IMO preseason rankings should be in place and are right majority of time

That's a dumb statement and you should feel bad for making it. There's literally nothing that supports that statement whatsoever. You know who were the last two preseason #1's? Southern California and Oklahoma.

The bigger issue, because you will never get rid of pre-season rankings, is that these AP voters refuse to be fluid with the rankings. It is early, it makes sense that a team ranked 8th and loses can move out of the top 25. Also, a team that is non-ranked that has early success should move into the rankings with ease. Instead we're left with this easter egg butt funk-a-thon where a team can stay in the top 10 with zero quality wins and only a quality loss.

These voters have ZERO accountability, so this is what you have a system of being too proud and refusing to acknowledge change.

 

[dfreshhookup]

The only fans that whine about preseason rankings are fans of teams that haven't done much. I honestly don't see the problem rewarding teams for last years performance through preseason rankings. The majority of team comes back, most of the time the coaching staff remains intact.

Or smart people who realize that preseason rankings are a flawed system that rewards teams for nothing, and can have serious implications later in the season.

 

[dfreshhookup]

And IMO preseason rankings should be in place and are right majority of time

That's a dumb statement and you should feel bad for making it. There's literally nothing that supports that statement whatsoever. You know who were the last two preseason #1's? Southern California and Oklahoma.

The bigger issue, because you will never get rid of pre-season rankings, is that these AP voters refuse to be fluid with the rankings. It is early, it makes sense that a team ranked 8th and loses can move out of the top 25. Also, a team that is non-ranked that has early success should move into the rankings with ease. Instead we're left with this easter egg butt funk-a-thon where a team can stay in the top 10 with zero quality wins and only a quality loss.

These voters have ZERO accountability, so this is what you have a system of being too proud and refusing to acknowledge change.

It also rewards teams with horse**** inflated matchups because half a ******* conference is in the top 15 before a single snap is taken.

Once they hit conference play every matchup is #4 vs. #9 and it keeps these mediocre teams bunched up in the Top 25 because no one can gain ground and no one is punished for losing to a "good ranked opponent".

Load up with 4 cupcake OOC games, start every year 4-0 and you cheat the system because every conference game you're moving up huge or just falling back slightly.

 

[Consigliere]

And IMO preseason rankings should be in place and are right majority of time

That's a dumb statement and you should feel bad for making it. There's literally nothing that supports that statement whatsoever. You know who were the last two preseason #1's? Southern California and Oklahoma.

The only fans that whine about preseason rankings are fans of teams that haven't done much. I honestly don't see the problem rewarding teams for last years performance through preseason rankings. The majority of team comes back, most of the time the coaching staff remains intact.

If we do real well this year and are preseason top 5 NO ONE will be moaning about preseason rankings.

Fine so they are pre-season ranked high, but they then lose and look crappy (see LSU, USCe and TAMpon) against crappy teams in wins yet they remain highly ranked. People are giving TAMpon credit for a win that happened last year, this year they lost at home. As for USCe, they need to be in the 20s. It is clear any pre-season advantage they were given is gone.

 

[Gatorhater]

How did UGA not fall out of top 10 and take LSU with it? Without all those questionable interference calls at the end of regulation, TN beat the chumps. USCe clearly is not much so the fact that UGA beat them should have lost all meaning by now. The highest ranks 1 loss teams should be AM and VT -- both looked good losing to Bama. But it is half way through season, all the undefeated major conference teams should be ranked above any team with loss. Since SEC it "best conference" the it should be Bama, Clemson, Miami, then fill in the rest. I mean, if you haven't beat a SEC team you have bet anyone right?

 

[Consigliere]

And IMO preseason rankings should be in place and are right majority of time

That's a dumb statement and you should feel bad for making it. There's literally nothing that supports that statement whatsoever. You know who were the last two preseason #1's? Southern California and Oklahoma.

The bigger issue, because you will never get rid of pre-season rankings, is that these AP voters refuse to be fluid with the rankings. It is early, it makes sense that a team ranked 8th and loses can move out of the top 25. Also, a team that is non-ranked that has early success should move into the rankings with ease. Instead we're left with this easter egg butt funk-a-thon where a team can stay in the top 10 with zero quality wins and only a quality loss.

These voters have ZERO accountability, so this is what you have a system of being too proud and refusing to acknowledge change.

It also rewards teams with horse**** inflated matchups because half a ****ing conference is in the top 15 before a single snap is taken.

Once they hit conference play every matchup is #4 vs. #9 and it keeps these mediocre teams bunched up in the Top 25 because no one can gain ground and no one is punished for losing to a "good ranked opponent".

Load up with 4 cupcake OOC games, start every year 4-0 and you cheat the system because every conference game you're moving up huge or just falling back slightly.

Agreed. I am not going to deny there are some **** good teams in the conference but this system in place is insanely retarded. I have no problem with Bama getting this preseason push because they clearly deserve it. At some point enough is enough, remember the two teams that went to BCS bowls last year were Bama and UF, not USCe, LSU and UGA.

But this is why the SEC does not want to schedule Quality OOC games, it only kills this BS front that they are trying to defend. UF wants us off the schedule not because they are worried about money, but because they want to stick to the SEC's goal. Schedule Cup Cakes is the name of the game.

 

[dfreshhookup]

But this is why the SEC does not want to schedule Quality OOC games, it only kills this BS front that they are trying to defend. UF wants us off the schedule not because they are worried about money, but because they want to stick to the SEC's goal. Schedule Cup Cakes is the name of the game.

They have their built in "BUT WE PLAY NINE CONFERENCE GAMES NOW" excuse. Alabama just dumped Michigan State for the same reason.

 

[Consigliere]

But this is why the SEC does not want to schedule Quality OOC games, it only kills this BS front that they are trying to defend. UF wants us off the schedule not because they are worried about money, but because they want to stick to the SEC's goal. Schedule Cup Cakes is the name of the game.

They have their built in "BUT WE PLAY NINE CONFERENCE GAMES NOW" excuse. Alabama just dumped Michigan State for the same reason.

Correct but the sad part is they have not stated they are officially going to 9 games yet. So Bama could have waited till this happened ACTUALLY before using it as an excuse before the self-imposed problem actual exists.

This is all why an 8 team playoff is necessary where 5 of the 8 teams MUST be conference champions (ACC, Big 12, Big 10, SEC and Pac-12) with 3 at-large teams. At least if you affix 5 of the 8 spots to conference champions it removes HUMAN OPINION (the polls) from the equation. Now the other 3 teams are judged on W/L Record and SOS, like a College Basketball RPI.

 

[Kevin]

I agree with the rankings.. Even with those 1 lost teams ahead of us

 

[rudebuddha]

And IMO preseason rankings should be in place and are right majority of time

That's a dumb statement and you should feel bad for making it. There's literally nothing that supports that statement whatsoever. You know who were the last two preseason #1's? Southern California and Oklahoma.

The only fans that whine about preseason rankings are fans of teams that haven't done much. I honestly don't see the problem rewarding teams for last years performance through preseason rankings. The majority of team comes back, most of the time the coaching staff remains intact.

If we do real well this year and are preseason top 5 NO ONE will be moaning about preseason rankings.

You are a little clueless aren't you?
Preseason rankings are not supposed to reward teams for what they did last year.
That's what the final rankings are for.

Preseason rankings are exactly what they are: throws at a dart board from 30 feet away. They are uneducated guesses.
Uneducated because nobody has played yet.
Look at Southern Cal and Notre Dame last year and tell me how accurate those preseason rankings are.
The BCS rankings is the only one that matters, and thankfully the coaches poll, is only a small component of that average.

 

[bomb]

And IMO preseason rankings should be in place and are right majority of time

That's a dumb statement and you should feel bad for making it. There's literally nothing that supports that statement whatsoever. You know who were the last two preseason #1's? Southern California and Oklahoma.

The bigger issue, because you will never get rid of pre-season rankings, is that these AP voters refuse to be fluid with the rankings. It is early, it makes sense that a team ranked 8th and loses can move out of the top 25. Also, a team that is non-ranked that has early success should move into the rankings with ease. Instead we're left with this easter egg butt funk-a-thon where a team can stay in the top 10 with zero quality wins and only a quality loss.

These voters have ZERO accountability, so this is what you have a system of being too proud and refusing to acknowledge change.

They jumped us over South Carolina this week. An SEC team. That won.

That's being fluid, IMO.

Just win. We beat FSU on the road, and are still undefeated, then we can see where we are and if it's worth complaining about. In guarantee you teams like Louisville, even if they keep winning, will get jumped by better teams that rack up stronger victories.