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Miami is firing DC Lance Guidry

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grover said:
Why? Lashlee, Banda, Baker all did alright. Gattis still landed at a MD after here, as did Enos. Steele went back to Bama. Nicholson is at Missouri. SEC/BiG schools. ... I don't see Miami as a career killer at all.
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So you think Baker going to LSU and becoming one of the highest paid DCs after “flopping” here is an example of someone that Miami helped? Steele going back to Bama after our defense flopped here is supposed to reflect highly on our operations?

How about Manny Diaz being a complete disaster as head coach here and then going and having success at PSU and now Duke?

That’s bold
 

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JHallCanes said:
At some point we gotta acknowledge that Miami just isn’t a good place to go for ****** coaches

Don’t want to blame Mario for a problem that was existing long before he got here but the evidence is overwhelming
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Miami has had a penchant for hiring ****** coaches. Rhett Lashlee and Manny Diaz parlayed coordinator positions here into head coaching gigs. Manny should have probably just stayed at Temple but that’s not really the point. Quite a few of Manny’s defensive assistants have parlayed their Miami jobs into promotions too.

It’s just that Miami has hired way too many terrible coaches who almost always have to take a step back after failing miserably here.
 
DTP said:
Miami has had a penchant for hiring ****** coaches. Rhett Lashlee and Manny Diaz parlayed coordinator positions here into head coaching gigs. Manny should have probably just stayed at Temple but that’s not really the point. Quite a few of Manny’s defensive assistants have parlayed their Miami jobs into promotions too.

It’s just that Miami has hired way too many terrible coaches who almost always have to take a step back after failing miserably here.
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Lashlee is the only example of any real success at Miami and in turn becoming successful with a promotion

Guys getting fired by Miami only to have some success elsewhere is not a good thing for miami

But…Banda I guess? Pretty low bar

Dude brought up Gattis. How do you do that? Fields the worst offense in the history of the program yet still lands at Maryland when he’s fired and that’s supposed to somehow be a good thing for us?
 
I'm not really convinced it's a bad place to coach. It's definitely a bad place to pick the right coaches.

Shannon? Guy hasn't done anything with just about every other program in Florida.

Golden's success as a DC a decade later tells me very little, he was never a DC here. It also took Golden coaching several years in the NFL and under one of the brightest defensive minds in college to bounce back to where he's at. As far as Golden's head coaching - D'onofrio, enough said. Jed Fisch parlayed the OC job here into his first NFL OC job in Jacksonville.

Richt's performance at Gerogia had been mediocre for years before his firing, had some initial success here then fell off a cliff. Even some posters here (Believe it was Chise) claimed they knew something was off with him and wouldn't be surprised to see him diagnosed with a mental illness then boom the Parkinson's news. Washed up coach bookended by a firing and a retirement.

Diaz' Problem has always been that he can't evaluate or recruit. He had a top 5 defense here as a coordinator, then once it was was his guys him and Bakers defense suffered. Let's see where Duke is at in three years when Elko's influence fades and Manny's players take hold.

Lashlee also had no problem with success here.

Steele is another dude who was finished at that age. He jizzed out one more ok season at Bama and retired.

Gattis' Maryland offense is right back into the gutter where it was here.

It's really hard to tell with Guidry, it was his first stint into big time college ball, and I guess time will tell. The defense was more than competent in '23.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
The communication between the secondary was worse then high school level and thats him and his coach HE brought over's specialty smh
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I could understand it being an issue in game 1 or 2 but it never got corrected. I have a hard time understanding how over the course of the entire season the DC couldn't come up with a way to fix it. That alone would be a fireable offense even before we get to the other areas the D struggled at.
 
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JHallCanes said:
Dude brought up Gattis. How do you do that? Fields the worst offense in the history of the program yet still lands at Maryland when he’s fired and that’s supposed to somehow be a good thing for us?
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That was a horrible example. I think it just proves that coaching is a profession where retreads get hired. You can fail forward/sideways in this profession. Trade-off is the instability, but at least you know you'll be employed...somewhere.
 
JHallCanes said:
At some point we gotta acknowledge that Miami just isn’t a good place to go for coaches

Don’t want to blame Mario for a problem that was existing long before he got here but the evidence is overwhelming
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Yet we've had some stellar offenses and defenses. It's like we either find the diamond in the rough and he's gone or we get the right person at the wrong time.
 
JD08 said:
Yet we've had some stellar offenses and defenses. It's like we either find the diamond in the rough and he's gone or we get the right person at the wrong time.
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Yeah blips on the radar are good. I mean it’s like our recruiting classes we’ve struggled for such a long time to hit on two in a row

There’s always exceptions but 20+ years of data don’t lie
 
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JHallCanes said:
At some point we gotta acknowledge that Miami just isn’t a good place to go for coaches

Don’t want to blame Mario for a problem that was existing long before he got here but the evidence is overwhelming
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Worked out pretty well for Rhett Lashlee and Shannon Dawson (so far) so idk if that statement is entirely valid tbh
 
88 said:
I'm not really convinced it's a bad place to coach. It's definitely a bad place to pick the right coaches.

Shannon? Guy hasn't done anything with just about every other program in Florida.

Golden's success as a DC a decade later tells me very little, he was never a DC here. It also took Golden coaching several years in the NFL and under one of the brightest defensive minds in college to bounce back to where he's at. As far as Golden's head coaching - D'onofrio, enough said. Jed Fisch parlayed the OC job here into his first NFL OC job in Jacksonville.

Richt's performance at Gerogia had been mediocre for years before his firing, had some initial success here then fell off a cliff. Even some posters here (Believe it was Chise) claimed they knew something was off with him and wouldn't be surprised to see him diagnosed with a mental illness then boom the Parkinson's news. Washed up coach bookended by a firing and a retirement.

Diaz' Problem has always been that he can't evaluate or recruit. He had a top 5 defense here as a coordinator, then once it was was his guys him and Bakers defense suffered. Let's see where Duke is at in three years when Elko's influence fades and Manny's players take hold.

Lashlee also had no problem with success here.

Steele is another dude who was finished at that age. He jizzed out one more ok season at Bama and retired.

Gattis' Maryland offense is right back into the gutter where it was here.

It's really hard to tell with Guidry, it was his first stint into big time college ball, and I guess time will tell. The defense was more than competent in '23.
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Lashlee frustrated me with his run game, insistence on the inside zone, with that said dude had some great play-action off of it.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
Worked out pretty well for Rhett Lashlee and Shannon Dawson (so far) so idk if that statement is entirely valid tbh
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Well it’s like anything. There’s exceptions

I hope we are seeing a trend towards the good and I’m excited about our coaching staff this year

Just saying we can’t ignore the facts because it sucks. Just look at who we hired in 2022 when Mario got here
 
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JHallCanes said:
So you think Baker going to LSU and becoming one of the highest paid DCs after “flopping” here is an example of someone that Miami helped? Steele going back to Bama after our defense flopped here is supposed to reflect highly on our operations?

How about Manny Diaz being a complete disaster as head coach here and then going and having success at PSU and now Duke?

That’s bold
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You're getting ornery in your old age. I think seeing what Chasey Lain looks like now put you in a bad mood.

I was just responding to your comment that "at some point we gotta acknowledge that Miami just isn’t a good place to go for coaches". I don't think the evidence bears that out. It is attractive because you get the Florida recruiting stamp on your resume, you play high level football in a large media market, and many coaches go on to successful careers afterwards, even those who were essentially fired for underperformance.
 
JHallCanes said:
Well it’s like anything. There’s exceptions

I hope we are seeing a trend towards the good and I’m excited about our coaching staff this year

Just saying we can’t ignore the facts because it sucks. Just look at who we hired in 2022 when Mario got here
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2022 was a ****show for sure
 
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Idk, the DB room was bad coaching and talent wise. During that ball game if Iowa State had there other 1000yd WR they would have torched even more through the air.
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
The communication between the secondary was worse then high school level and thats him and his coach HE brought over's specialty smh
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It's on Mario too. How many times did we get gashed when the other teams O-Line lined up in an unbalanced line. As a HC with an O-Line coaching background you should be yelling at the top your lungs when you see that.
 
CaneSinceForEver said:
It's on Mario too. How many times did we get gashed when the other teams O-Line lined up in an unbalanced line. As a HC with an O-Line coaching background you should be yelling at the top your lungs when you see that.
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Bro I understand Mario is the HC and fans feel the need to blame him for everything but if u need the HC(who never coached defense btw) to tell your defense how to line up mid game as a DC you are 100% a failure and gotta go 🤷🏾‍♂️
 
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