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Miami #9 in Second CFP Ranking

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SMU and Miami fans should stop worrying about where the teams are ranked today. Win out, play in the ACC title game, and if you win the ACC title game you’re third or fourth seed in the playoffs. Lose the ACC game and you still may make the playoffs as 10th or 11th or 12th seed.

Both teams control their own destiny.
 
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TemplarCane said:
SMU and Miami fans should stop worrying about where the teams are ranked today. Win out, play in the ACC title game, and if you win the ACC title game you’re third or fourth seed in the playoffs. Lose the ACC game and you still may make the playoffs as 10th or 11th or 12th seed.

Both teams control their own destiny.
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They are setting it up for one ACC/B12...There won't be a second.

If it's us with 2 losses (Tech/SMU) we are f*cked...and probably deservedly so...
 
NZ Cane said:
They are setting it up for one ACC/B12...There won't be a second.

If it's us with 2 losses (Tech/SMU) we are f*cked...and probably deservedly so...
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Agreed... The only chance we had of getting 2 ACC teams in went out the window when we lost to GT. And even then it would have required us to lose the ACCCG.

A 12-1 Miami with its only loss being to SMU (or Clemson) in the ACCCG might have dropped us from 3rd to like 7th or 8th.. But now since we're 9th we don't have any margin for error and all but eliminated the possibility of a 2nd ACC team getting in.
 
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An interesting dilemma is setting up now and it should **** off a lot of people if it happens this way. At 9, they are saying Miami is comfortably in the playoff ranking regardless of who wins the conferences and how 1-4 shakes out. They are within the top 8 at large, at worst right now.

The only logical way Miami can be bumped from the playoff at their current standing, if they win the next 2, is if someone from the SEC ranked behind them (A&M, Georgia, Alabama, or Ole Miss) wins the conference over Texas and gets a 1-4 seed. Then, they keep Texas ranked ahead of Miami after the SECCG loss. They could also keep Tennessee ranked over us with a loss to Georgia. Unlikely but it could happen. Then, you have to pencil in one G5 team, likely Boise into the 12 seed, currently 13 and out of the picture so someone in the top 12 is getting bumped. Next, someone beats BYU in the Big12 championship, say KState. K State goes up to 4 after currently being outside the playoff picture. Then, they keep BYU ranked ahead of UM with their first loss. That is somewhat "logical".

That is a lot that has to happen, obviously, on applicable if Miami loses to SMU in the ACCCG. Moot point if not.

The dilemma is, most of that does not happen (and it likely won't happen). Assume BYU runs the table and wins the conference gets the 3, Boise gets the 12, Texas wins the SEC and gets the 2, and Oregon beats OSU in the BIGCG and gets the 1. Miami beats Wake and Cuse and then loses to SMU. Going into Dec 7, Miami is likely sitting at 7. Now ahead of Tennessee because they lose to Georgia and ahead of Indiana who lost to OSU. You have a lot of teams sitting at home on 12/7 ranked behind Miami. Primarily in the SEC, maybe add Indiana to that. What if Miami loses the game and drops out of the playoff picture and gets penalized for playing the game?

Very curious to see how they handle that scenario, even if its not Miami. Could be BYU if they slip before their conference championship and then lose it. Could be BYU even if they're at 5 and then lose it and fall all the way out. Could be SMU if they move up a few spots before 12/7 and are in the picture until the lose in Charlotte.

Seems impossible to me that you are a playoff team going into your conference title game and teams sitting at home jump you for losing a game that they didn't qualify for.

If Miami is 7 and SMU is 12 on Dec 7th (last game of the night so the full playoff will be "set" at kickoff) and the rest of the playoff looks like: 1. Oregon, 2. Texas, 3. BYU, 4. ACCCG Winner, 5. OSU (Lost to Oregon in BIGCG), 6. Penn State 7. ND, 8-11. Unknown, 12. Boise State

4 slots open, in theory. Obviously the SECCG loser will get in, the first team out of the SECCG likely gets in, both are currently and still should be ranked behind Miami going into 12/7, unless Georgia beats Tennessee and jumps us or if Tennessee beats Georgia and stays ahead. Tennessee beating Georgia should eliminate Georgia.

Basically comes down to how they treat a 1 loss Indiana and the SEC 3-5 teams relative to the ACCCG loser. Bet your *** the SEC teams jump the loser even sitting idle. They have it set up to make sense of it if SMU loses. A Miami loss and there's going to be some explaining and loopholes to jump through.
 
JayCane20 said:
An interesting dilemma is setting up now and it should **** off a lot of people if it happens this way. At 9, they are saying Miami is comfortably in the playoff ranking regardless of who wins the conferences and how 1-4 shakes out. They are within the top 8 at large, at worst right now.

The only logical way Miami can be bumped from the playoff at their current standing, if they win the next 2, is if someone from the SEC ranked behind them (A&M, Georgia, Alabama, or Ole Miss) wins the conference over Texas and gets a 1-4 seed. Then, they keep Texas ranked ahead of Miami after the SECCG loss. They could also keep Tennessee ranked over us with a loss to Georgia. Unlikely but it could happen. Then, you have to pencil in one G5 team, likely Boise into the 12 seed, currently 13 and out of the picture so someone in the top 12 is getting bumped. Next, someone beats BYU in the Big12 championship, say KState. K State goes up to 4 after currently being outside the playoff picture. Then, they keep BYU ranked ahead of UM with their first loss. That is somewhat "logical".

That is a lot that has to happen, obviously, on applicable if Miami loses to SMU in the ACCCG. Moot point if not.

The dilemma is, most of that does not happen (and it likely won't happen). Assume BYU runs the table and wins the conference gets the 3, Boise gets the 12, Texas wins the SEC and gets the 2, and Oregon beats OSU in the BIGCG and gets the 1. Miami beats Wake and Cuse and then loses to SMU. Going into Dec 7, Miami is likely sitting at 7. Now ahead of Tennessee because they lose to Georgia and ahead of Indiana who lost to OSU. You have a lot of teams sitting at home on 12/7 ranked behind Miami. Primarily in the SEC, maybe add Indiana to that. What if Miami loses the game and drops out of the playoff picture and gets penalized for playing the game?

Very curious to see how they handle that scenario, even if its not Miami. Could be BYU if they slip before their conference championship and then lose it. Could be BYU even if they're at 5 and then lose it and fall all the way out. Could be SMU if they move up a few spots before 12/7 and are in the picture until the lose in Charlotte.

Seems impossible to me that you are a playoff team going into your conference title game and teams sitting at home jump you for losing a game that they didn't qualify for.

If Miami is 7 and SMU is 12 on Dec 7th (last game of the night so the full playoff will be "set" at kickoff) and the rest of the playoff looks like: 1. Oregon, 2. Texas, 3. BYU, 4. ACCCG Winner, 5. OSU (Lost to Oregon in BIGCG), 6. Penn State 7. ND, 8-11. Unknown, 12. Boise State

4 slots open, in theory. Obviously the SECCG loser will get in, the first team out of the SECCG likely gets in, both are currently and still should be ranked behind Miami going into 12/7, unless Georgia beats Tennessee and jumps us or if Tennessee beats Georgia and stays ahead. Tennessee beating Georgia should eliminate Georgia.

Basically comes down to how they treat a 1 loss Indiana and the SEC 3-5 teams relative to the ACCCG loser. Bet your *** the SEC teams jump the loser even sitting idle. They have it set up to make sense of it if SMU loses. A Miami loss and there's going to be some explaining and loopholes to jump through.
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Yes we'll be punished for making the ACCCG and losing over teams who don't even make their conference championship game. I don't even think it's a debate. One or 2 2-loss teams would jump us if we lose to SMU.

That's why we would have been better off as a one loss team that didn't make the conference championship than a one loss team that loses the conference championship. In that scenario not only do we make the playoffs but we likely get to host a first round game.
 
JayCane20 said:
An interesting dilemma is setting up now and it should **** off a lot of people if it happens this way. At 9, they are saying Miami is comfortably in the playoff ranking regardless of who wins the conferences and how 1-4 shakes out. They are within the top 8 at large, at worst right now.

The only logical way Miami can be bumped from the playoff at their current standing, if they win the next 2, is if someone from the SEC ranked behind them (A&M, Georgia, Alabama, or Ole Miss) wins the conference over Texas and gets a 1-4 seed. Then, they keep Texas ranked ahead of Miami after the SECCG loss. They could also keep Tennessee ranked over us with a loss to Georgia. Unlikely but it could happen. Then, you have to pencil in one G5 team, likely Boise into the 12 seed, currently 13 and out of the picture so someone in the top 12 is getting bumped. Next, someone beats BYU in the Big12 championship, say KState. K State goes up to 4 after currently being outside the playoff picture. Then, they keep BYU ranked ahead of UM with their first loss. That is somewhat "logical".

That is a lot that has to happen, obviously, on applicable if Miami loses to SMU in the ACCCG. Moot point if not.

The dilemma is, most of that does not happen (and it likely won't happen). Assume BYU runs the table and wins the conference gets the 3, Boise gets the 12, Texas wins the SEC and gets the 2, and Oregon beats OSU in the BIGCG and gets the 1. Miami beats Wake and Cuse and then loses to SMU. Going into Dec 7, Miami is likely sitting at 7. Now ahead of Tennessee because they lose to Georgia and ahead of Indiana who lost to OSU. You have a lot of teams sitting at home on 12/7 ranked behind Miami. Primarily in the SEC, maybe add Indiana to that. What if Miami loses the game and drops out of the playoff picture and gets penalized for playing the game?

Very curious to see how they handle that scenario, even if its not Miami. Could be BYU if they slip before their conference championship and then lose it. Could be BYU even if they're at 5 and then lose it and fall all the way out. Could be SMU if they move up a few spots before 12/7 and are in the picture until the lose in Charlotte.

Seems impossible to me that you are a playoff team going into your conference title game and teams sitting at home jump you for losing a game that they didn't qualify for.

If Miami is 7 and SMU is 12 on Dec 7th (last game of the night so the full playoff will be "set" at kickoff) and the rest of the playoff looks like: 1. Oregon, 2. Texas, 3. BYU, 4. ACCCG Winner, 5. OSU (Lost to Oregon in BIGCG), 6. Penn State 7. ND, 8-11. Unknown, 12. Boise State

4 slots open, in theory. Obviously the SECCG loser will get in, the first team out of the SECCG likely gets in, both are currently and still should be ranked behind Miami going into 12/7, unless Georgia beats Tennessee and jumps us or if Tennessee beats Georgia and stays ahead. Tennessee beating Georgia should eliminate Georgia.

Basically comes down to how they treat a 1 loss Indiana and the SEC 3-5 teams relative to the ACCCG loser. Bet your *** the SEC teams jump the loser even sitting idle. They have it set up to make sense of it if SMU loses. A Miami loss and there's going to be some explaining and loopholes to jump through.
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Yoyo82 said:
Yes we'll be punished for making the ACCCG and losing over teams who don't even make their conference championship game. I don't even think it's a debate. One or 2 2-loss teams would jump us if we lose to SMU.

That's why we would have been better off as a one loss team that didn't make the conference championship than a one loss team that loses the conference championship. In that scenario not only do we make the playoffs but we likely get to host a first round game.
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Would have to be the SECCG loser (probably a 3 loss team at that point) jumping us - that leaves 3 spots. So it would be at least 3 SEC 2 loss teams jumping us or 2 of them plus 1 loss Indiana.

That would be insanity.

At the end of the day, who cares because its a debate of 7-8 teams with 0% chance to win a title fighting for spots just for the recognition. We could use all the recognition we can get but in the grand scheme it doesn't matter.
 
JayCane20 said:
An interesting dilemma is setting up now and it should **** off a lot of people if it happens this way. At 9, they are saying Miami is comfortably in the playoff ranking regardless of who wins the conferences and how 1-4 shakes out. They are within the top 8 at large, at worst right now.

The only logical way Miami can be bumped from the playoff at their current standing, if they win the next 2, is if someone from the SEC ranked behind them (A&M, Georgia, Alabama, or Ole Miss) wins the conference over Texas and gets a 1-4 seed. Then, they keep Texas ranked ahead of Miami after the SECCG loss. They could also keep Tennessee ranked over us with a loss to Georgia. Unlikely but it could happen. Then, you have to pencil in one G5 team, likely Boise into the 12 seed, currently 13 and out of the picture so someone in the top 12 is getting bumped. Next, someone beats BYU in the Big12 championship, say KState. K State goes up to 4 after currently being outside the playoff picture. Then, they keep BYU ranked ahead of UM with their first loss. That is somewhat "logical".

That is a lot that has to happen, obviously, on applicable if Miami loses to SMU in the ACCCG. Moot point if not.

The dilemma is, most of that does not happen (and it likely won't happen). Assume BYU runs the table and wins the conference gets the 3, Boise gets the 12, Texas wins the SEC and gets the 2, and Oregon beats OSU in the BIGCG and gets the 1. Miami beats Wake and Cuse and then loses to SMU. Going into Dec 7, Miami is likely sitting at 7. Now ahead of Tennessee because they lose to Georgia and ahead of Indiana who lost to OSU. You have a lot of teams sitting at home on 12/7 ranked behind Miami. Primarily in the SEC, maybe add Indiana to that. What if Miami loses the game and drops out of the playoff picture and gets penalized for playing the game?

Very curious to see how they handle that scenario, even if its not Miami. Could be BYU if they slip before their conference championship and then lose it. Could be BYU even if they're at 5 and then lose it and fall all the way out. Could be SMU if they move up a few spots before 12/7 and are in the picture until the lose in Charlotte.

Seems impossible to me that you are a playoff team going into your conference title game and teams sitting at home jump you for losing a game that they didn't qualify for.

If Miami is 7 and SMU is 12 on Dec 7th (last game of the night so the full playoff will be "set" at kickoff) and the rest of the playoff looks like: 1. Oregon, 2. Texas, 3. BYU, 4. ACCCG Winner, 5. OSU (Lost to Oregon in BIGCG), 6. Penn State 7. ND, 8-11. Unknown, 12. Boise State

4 slots open, in theory. Obviously the SECCG loser will get in, the first team out of the SECCG likely gets in, both are currently and still should be ranked behind Miami going into 12/7, unless Georgia beats Tennessee and jumps us or if Tennessee beats Georgia and stays ahead. Tennessee beating Georgia should eliminate Georgia.

Basically comes down to how they treat a 1 loss Indiana and the SEC 3-5 teams relative to the ACCCG loser. Bet your *** the SEC teams jump the loser even sitting idle. They have it set up to make sense of it if SMU loses. A Miami loss and there's going to be some explaining and loopholes to jump through.
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That would be chaos. Since Ole Miss beat Wake Forest 40-6, do you think Miami needs to beat them by more in case we don’t win the ACC when it comes down to comparing teams with more than 1 loss? We beat USF by more points than Bama did. I don’t know if the committee even looks at common opponents.
 
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razrcane said:
That would be chaos. Since Ole Miss beat Wake Forest 40-6, do you think Miami needs to beat them by more in case we don’t win the ACC when it comes down to comparing teams with more than 1 loss? We beat USF by more points than Bama did. I don’t know if the committee even looks at common opponents.
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Whether it being 40-6 or comparable matters idk... I don't think you can afford to play them close and come out strong in that scenario.

It needs to be convincing. 17+ at least I would think.

To me, any win that is more than 2 scores (higher than 16 points) is basically the same thing. Some teams go up big and let off the gas and the other team gets garbage time to come within 17 or sometimes you go up 30 and put in freshmen and it falls to 14 points. Winning convincingly should be weighted the same.

Us beating FSU by 22 and ND beating them by 49.. who cares. You can't try to draw that comparison. Miami got FSU's best shot and their writers were talking about how good they were practicing. That is a rivalry and we controlled the entire game from the first snap. Then, their writers start talking about how bad their practices are getting and the low energy and they lose by 49. If there's any additional weight given to ND for winning by 49 instead of 22, that'd ridiculous.

Now you can make the argument for Alabama and USF being a 1 point game in the 4th. Ended in a similar margin to ours but that isn't game control. That is USF running out of gas and letting it slip away.

Some teams get the opponents super bowl and some don't.
 
Texas is the most over ranked of them all. They have played one good team and got their *** kicked. How they are #3 is beyond me. I will be pulling for Arkansas this weekend. They are getting credit for the Michigan win still even though Michigan is average at best.

SMU is getting screwed over big time. Only chance for the ACC to get 2 teams in is some other upsets and Miami losing to SMU LIKE 32 - 31 in a well played game.
 
2FNFST4U said:
Texas is the most over ranked of them all. They have played one good team and got their *** kicked. How they are #3 is beyond me. I will be pulling for Arkansas this weekend. They are getting credit for the Michigan win still even though Michigan is average at best.

SMU is getting screwed over big time. Only chance for the ACC to get 2 teams in is some other upsets and Miami losing to SMU LIKE 32 - 31 in a well played game.
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Texas is the only 1 loss SEC team... Had to get them ranked as high as possible.
 
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Yoyo82 said:
Texas is the only 1 loss SEC team... Had to get them ranked as high as possible.
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Tenn has 1 loss. A bad loss just like we do. Texas has beaten 3 teams with a winning record Colorado st 6-3, La Monroe 5-4, Vandy 6-4. Total W-L without Georgia is 37-39. Talk about Committee bias.
 
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