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Canestomp said:
And do you afford Mario Cristobal that same benefit-of-the-doubt? Seems you only want to give QB Ward that luxury. See it can go both ways.

My point in all of this was to say that if Mario Cristobal did not agree with the decision to sit Ward and it ultimately wasn't his call (which by all accounts evidence would suggest that to be the case), then why should one man (Cristobal) stand and defend another man's (Ward) decision? The distinction between 'defending' and 'taking cover' is whether the person at the podium agrees with the decision or not (which again, all signs are pointing to CMC not wanting to sit Cam for the second half), so what action would naturally be left other than to "taking cover" for Cam. Outside of just being forthright and honest in the post-game presser, is there some third option I am missing. Please, happy to entertain the intellectual honesty.

Look--he's not a kid. He's not a child, or a teen or even a student athlete in the pre-NIL sense--Ward is a well-compensated man and leader or men. He is his own brand executive. He decides; he makes the call and so he should take ownership of that. CMC--he's a coach, not a public defender (lawyer); and we can stand in the CiS Quad all day back-and-forth in debate about how this poses a moral, ethical and/or practical dilemma.

You are making the false assumption that I am clowning on Ward but I do not see where that is coming from. A great record season and a controversial decision to sit in a bowl game are mutually exclusive events. I can express a disagreement with his decision in the latter while simultaneously not undermining my appreciation for the former.

I am searching for the contrast on a blurred line as to what responsibilities lie with the man on the field and what responsibilities lie with the guy wearing the headset. It seems like a convenience, coincidence or a cudgel--to pick and choose when and which standard to apply it to. To what end does a head coach or a player take individual responsibility for their own actions? What is intellectually dishonest about asking why one man should defend another's actions even if he disagrees with it?
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This situation was never a either Mario or Cam kind of circumstance in my mind. It was obvious to me as a Canes fan, while it was occurring that they had already made this decision prior to him playing. I never thought that someone was at fault or required the benefit of doubt.

After going through the threads more, it seems you asked more questions rather than just coming out with vitriol for Cam. It seems you were going through a true intellectual process in making a judgement on this matter. I take back what I said about your argument style. Pardon me.
 
I work with a guy who played for Mario at FIU. We’re both Hurricane fans so when Mario was hired we talked about it quite a lot. He wasn’t a fan of Mario and said he’d throw his players and staff under the bus whenever he could. This despite that he knew less about football than many of the staff.

I haven’t seen that at Miami much but his words always stuck with me.
 
HarrietTubmanCane said:
This situation was never a either Mario or Cam kind of circumstance in my mind. It was obvious to me as a Canes fan, while it was occurring that they had already made this decision prior to him playing. I never thought that someone was at fault or required the benefit of doubt.

After going through the threads more, it seems you asked more questions rather than just coming out with vitriol for Cam. It seems you were going through a true intellectual process in making a judgement on this matter. I take back what I said about your argument style. Pardon me.
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I appreciate your response. I'm going to miss the **** out of that son-of-a-; like everyone else. It sucks that he's leaving our dysfunctional program for another in the Cleveland Browns. It's a tall task but if anyone can elevate the Browns, its Cam muthafkin' Ward.
 
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Canestomp said:
I appreciate your response. I'm going to miss the **** out of that son-of-a-; like everyone else. It sucks that he's leaving our dysfunctional program for another in the Cleveland Browns. It's a tall task but if anyone can elevate the Browns, its Cam muthafkin' Ward.
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We just made up and then you go and insult my city’s horrible football franchise 🤦🏾‍♂️ 😂 🤣🤣
 
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GOCanes4420 said:
I work with a guy who played for Mario at FIU. We’re both Hurricane fans so when Mario was hired we talked about it quite a lot. He wasn’t a fan of Mario and said he’d throw his players and staff under the bus whenever he could. This despite that he knew less about football than many of the staff.

I haven’t seen that at Miami much but his words always stuck with me.
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I think this is the feeling I get. The best leaders took care of their guys or at minimum, tried to take some of the heat from them. Especially in cases where you're talking about the top performers who helped get you to the position you're in. I'll always stick my neck out for guys like this, because the circumstance is reasonable and it's a 1 off issue that means very little in the grand scheme. To throw your top performer under the bus like this speaks volumes to me.
 
poncho0091 said:
Anyone else got a bad taste that Mario didn't outright defend Cam in this scenario? I don't care what the reason was, even if he only played the half to break the record. A good coach defends his guys. There were plenty of statements he could have made:

- seeing what our remaining players looks like
-it was agreed before the game he'd only get a half
-praise that he even played at all

His non-statement is not only a bad look for Cam, but for Miami as well and just adds to all the asshats already looking for a reason to trash Miami. This was a huge negative to me and makes me wonder what his relationship is like with the locker room.
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No matter how many times people say he won't do it, Mario is a "throw a kid under the bus" kind of guy, just my opinion.
 
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423Hurricane said:
Might have been but Miami helped make him a boat load of $$$ come the NFL draft this year that he wouldn’t have gotten last year.
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Cam was a late round pick that was viewed as turnover machine before he came here. It was a partnership that both parties needed each other. He had all day to throw and he had very good skill guys in a qb friendly offense. On top of that he got life changing money. Both parties won big in this relationship. It’s just too bad we had a dumpster fire on defense or both sides could’ve won more.
 
Cribby said:
Cam was a late round pick that was viewed as turnover machine before he came here. It was a partnership that both parties needed each other. He had all day to throw and he had very good skill guys in a qb friendly offense. On top of that he got life changing money. Both parties won big in this relationship. It’s just too bad we had a dumpster fire on defense or both sides could’ve won more.
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Cam had 48 TDs and 16 Ints his 2 years at Washington St.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cameron-ward-1.html
 
contract said:
Cam had 48 TDs and 16 Ints his 2 years at Washington St.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/cameron-ward-1.html
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Now do his fumbles . His literal scouting report negatives was careless with the ball and prone to turnovers. He had fifteen fumbles his last two years there which is an ungodly amount. That’s 31 turnovers total.

He was a fifth -sixth round pick if he left .If he’d been so great he wouldn’t be at the end of that draft or possible UDFA. He also played for a bad team with a losing record. Now he’s a possible first pick in the draft and a rock star. Prior to that only real CFB nerd’s knew who he was. Everything I said is correct. He needed Miami just as bad as we needed him.
 
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Suhrthing said:
Cam is a grown man, he can speak for himself if he chooses to.
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Yes he can but he’s been in hiding along with Mario and has chosen not to do so. He chose to set records but in the end never won anything for UM.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Because I did not have to watch us get trounced 52-6, I am very grateful Cam Ward played as much as he did.
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Right… if you’re a believer in “silver linings”. We did win 10 games and the 3 we loss were by a total of 8 points.

Still maddening because we left so much on the table. We go down as the biggest “what if” team in Canes history
 
Page305 said:
You're right. I get it. I wanted to win as well but I'm just highly convinced no matter what Ward did, our defense was going to find a way to lose it for us.
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The way the game flow was going it reminded me of the Lousiville game. Defense started getting stops, I felt we would win 52-42. Media who watched I think had same opinion, thats why they are so up
In arms. They felt strongly that Miami would have won had he played, and we lost because he stood on the sideline. Had he played gone 11-2, and everyone would be praising Cam for playing game, and Miami for finally winning a bowl. Now its a complete crap show.
 
gacaneaddict said:
The way the game flow was going it reminded me of the Lousiville game. Defense started getting stops, I felt we would win 52-42. Media who watched I think had same opinion, thats why they are so up
In arms. They felt strongly that Miami would have won had he played, and we lost because he stood on the sideline. Had he played gone 11-2, and everyone would be praising Cam for playing game, and Miami for finally winning a bowl. Now its a complete crap show.
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I understand this view. To be completely honest, I would just have rather for him to not play at all.
 
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