Lu and DMoney: Thoughts on the Offense?

[JHallCanes]

Let's not overlook an important part of what was happening during that stretch everyone seems to he *****ing about.

We called three pass plays in a row and went three and out. PA, rollout IIRC. At that point we were simply killing our defense by not only going 3 and out, but taking zero time off the clock. It was pretty obvious that no matter what, we needed to run it. When you can't get into situations where you can run or pass, it definitely hamstrings the OC and every 3rd down we had was 10 yards or more it seemed.

I don't think the play calling is nearly as bad as some are acting, but our execution was horrible.

 

[LuCane]

Also, I'm curious as to why we kept trying to run the ball with big formations, permitting Florida to have 7, 8 in the box, instead of trying to space them out a bit and give Duke some more space to run. It seemed like we were in a lot of 2 WR sets.

Because the coach was listening to all the posters who claim we didn't "commit to the run" last year.

Their front 4 was working our 5OL. You can spread them out all you want. They weren't necessarily making plays because of extra guys. Has nothing to do with "committing to the run."

Lu: question ... IIRC, after 1st Q, Duke had 15 carries for 20 yards (or something anemic like that). If you're consistently running into 8 and 9 man fronts by going 2 wide, do you try to offset that by spreading out D? Because the constant, repetitive nature of trying to run from those formations had me frustrated.

From the guys on the team I've heard, we're in extremely good shape (conditioning). I don't think it was a matter of spreading them out to run because their front 4 was whipping us. I would have kept the foot on the gas pedal (no huddle) a little longer. Did you note that we didn't run a single toss all game? I was waiting for it. Instead, we decided we were going to win the game with a conservative approach, defense and punting/field position. I think Golden sees our punter as a competitive advantage.

We decided to win that game by being Rocky and allowing them to be Apollo Creed. It worked.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Also, I'm curious as to why we kept trying to run the ball with big formations, permitting Florida to have 7, 8 in the box, instead of trying to space them out a bit and give Duke some more space to run. It seemed like we were in a lot of 2 WR sets.

Because the coach was listening to all the posters who claim we didn't "commit to the run" last year.

Their front 4 was working our 5OL. You can spread them out all you want. They weren't necessarily making plays because of extra guys. Has nothing to do with "committing to the run."

Lu: question ... IIRC, after 1st Q, Duke had 15 carries for 20 yards (or something anemic like that). If you're consistently running into 8 and 9 man fronts by going 2 wide, do you try to offset that by spreading out D? Because the constant, repetitive nature of trying to run from those formations had me frustrated.

From the guys on the team I've heard, we're in extremely good shape (conditioning). I don't think it was a matter of spreading them out to run because their front 4 was whipping us. I would have kept the foot on the gas pedal (no huddle) a little longer. Did you note that we didn't run a single toss all game? I was waiting for it. Instead, we decided we were going to win the game with a conservative approach, defense and punting/field position. I think Golden sees our punter as a competitive advantage.

We decided to win that game by being Rocky and allowing them to be Apollo Creed. It worked.

Agree with all of this, but why do you think we are avoiding the middle of the field? I know you said you didn't want to get into it, but I really value your observations.

 

[jakeman1]

Coley could help out with more aggressive playcalling 1st/2nd down. Morris needs to not be greedy and take what's open. Turn 3rd and 10's into 3rd and 3 or 4 to go. The WR's need to run PAST the 1st down marker before making their breaks.

 

[JHallCanes]

Also, I'm curious as to why we kept trying to run the ball with big formations, permitting Florida to have 7, 8 in the box, instead of trying to space them out a bit and give Duke some more space to run. It seemed like we were in a lot of 2 WR sets.

Because the coach was listening to all the posters who claim we didn't "commit to the run" last year.

Their front 4 was working our 5OL. You can spread them out all you want. They weren't necessarily making plays because of extra guys. Has nothing to do with "committing to the run."

Lu: question ... IIRC, after 1st Q, Duke had 15 carries for 20 yards (or something anemic like that). If you're consistently running into 8 and 9 man fronts by going 2 wide, do you try to offset that by spreading out D? Because the constant, repetitive nature of trying to run from those formations had me frustrated.

From the guys on the team I've heard, we're in extremely good shape (conditioning). I don't think it was a matter of spreading them out to run because their front 4 was whipping us. I would have kept the foot on the gas pedal (no huddle) a little longer. Did you note that we didn't run a single toss all game? I was waiting for it. Instead, we decided we were going to win the game with a conservative approach, defense and punting/field position. I think Golden sees our punter as a competitive advantage.

We decided to win that game by being Rocky and allowing them to be Apollo Creed. It worked.

I haven't broken down every run play or anything but it seemed to me, with the athleticism we have at guard, we could have called more exotic run schemes. Maybe I'm spoiled from watching San Francisco do it, since they are credited with creating many of those run schemes, but with a veteran line that has athletes at all positions, there are ways you can take advantage of overaggressive DLinemen through run plays that still stay within the tackles.

 

[CanesR1]

One more thing to add to Lu's "Rocky" comment. I felt the same way while watching the game. In fact, I think the UF Offense was tired from being on the field so long. Our D never stopped.

That being said, knowing the FSU Offense has never been much under Jimbo on Coley, there is reason for concern. Coley, also, deserves more than 2 games to be judged.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

We're not over-rating the talent on O. The O shouldn't go 3 and out more often than it doesn't. They shouldn't leave the defense on the field for 38 minutes. The hope is that these consecutive bye weeks will straighten things out, but clearly the coaches have work to do.

I am ready for Kehoe to move into a non-coaching role.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

The playcalling was definitely impacted by a puckered ********. Conservative football doesn't account for the utter ineptitude we witnessed in the 2nd and 3rd quarters.

 

[Storm Warning]

I think that we'll be happy with the performance of the offense from here on out. They got the job done against arguably the best defense in the NCAA just this week and I expect the oline and receivers to elevate their play as the season progresses.

 

[Jax Cane]

Our WR's are fast enough and Stephens Arm strong enough, you would think we would see more down and out... and down and in timing patterns.

Also more timing Dig routes like the one he sailed over PDs head in the 3rd series. I felt that one play just sucked the timing right out of him. Wide open PD, and plenty of time to get it there and he air mailed it over his head.

After that one play Stephen went into a funk for much of the rest of the game. Until that particular play, he was hitting hurns and waters and even Wallford. He seemed to instantly get rattled???

Did anyone else notice this turning point???

 

[wushah]

Maybe we should have attacked the middle of the field more given what their front 4 was doing and how good their CBs are. I'm not sure. I would have liked to see more Duke, more Walford, and better play from our OL. We have guys on the OL who are top 3-4 rd NFL guys. I expected a better showing truthfully.

 

[The Franchise]

Morris was pretty bad against uf#g. He's trying to throw 193 yard TD passes on every play and constantly eschews the dump off pass. There are checkdowns open all the time. Fancy Boy Dorsey made a living dumping it off and letting guys pick up 15 to 30 yards for him. This dude had Duke standing alone a few times a couple yards beyond the LOS and had time to get it to him after making his first couple reads, but he just locked in on covered guys.

Let's not also lose track of this fact: That was a top 3 defense we just beat. And The Don was very clear after the game stating that sometimes you adapt what you're doing based off the flow and tenor of the game. This was clearly going to be a defensive war, and the last thing we needed was to have El Girafe' forcing passes and getting pick 6'd and buttfcking the D. Sometimes, your best move is to try to grind some clock and punt the ball 60 yards.

 

[The Franchise]

Because the coach was listening to all the posters who claim we didn't "commit to the run" last year.

Their front 4 was working our 5OL. You can spread them out all you want. They weren't necessarily making plays because of extra guys. Has nothing to do with "committing to the run."

Lu: question ... IIRC, after 1st Q, Duke had 15 carries for 20 yards (or something anemic like that). If you're consistently running into 8 and 9 man fronts by going 2 wide, do you try to offset that by spreading out D? Because the constant, repetitive nature of trying to run from those formations had me frustrated.

From the guys on the team I've heard, we're in extremely good shape (conditioning). I don't think it was a matter of spreading them out to run because their front 4 was whipping us. I would have kept the foot on the gas pedal (no huddle) a little longer. Did you note that we didn't run a single toss all game? I was waiting for it. Instead, we decided we were going to win the game with a conservative approach, defense and punting/field position. I think Golden sees our punter as a competitive advantage.

We decided to win that game by being Rocky and allowing them to be Apollo Creed. It worked.

I haven't broken down every run play or anything but it seemed to me, with the athleticism we have at guard, we could have called more exotic run schemes. Maybe I'm spoiled from watching San Francisco do it, since they are credited with creating many of those run schemes, but with a veteran line that has athletes at all positions, there are ways you can take advantage of overaggressive DLinemen through run plays that still stay within the tackles.

I'm not seeing all our athleticism at Guard. I don't think either guy is all that athletic. They're both big strong guys, and Feliciano's tough as ****. But I don't think they're athletic.

 

[JHallCanes]

Their front 4 was working our 5OL. You can spread them out all you want. They weren't necessarily making plays because of extra guys. Has nothing to do with "committing to the run."

Lu: question ... IIRC, after 1st Q, Duke had 15 carries for 20 yards (or something anemic like that). If you're consistently running into 8 and 9 man fronts by going 2 wide, do you try to offset that by spreading out D? Because the constant, repetitive nature of trying to run from those formations had me frustrated.

From the guys on the team I've heard, we're in extremely good shape (conditioning). I don't think it was a matter of spreading them out to run because their front 4 was whipping us. I would have kept the foot on the gas pedal (no huddle) a little longer. Did you note that we didn't run a single toss all game? I was waiting for it. Instead, we decided we were going to win the game with a conservative approach, defense and punting/field position. I think Golden sees our punter as a competitive advantage.

We decided to win that game by being Rocky and allowing them to be Apollo Creed. It worked.

I haven't broken down every run play or anything but it seemed to me, with the athleticism we have at guard, we could have called more exotic run schemes. Maybe I'm spoiled from watching San Francisco do it, since they are credited with creating many of those run schemes, but with a veteran line that has athletes at all positions, there are ways you can take advantage of overaggressive DLinemen through run plays that still stay within the tackles.

I'm not seeing all our athleticism at Guard. I don't think either guy is all that athletic. They're both big strong guys, and Feliciano's tough as ****. But I don't think they're athletic.

Well, obviously I don't agree. Just watch Duke's highlights and you see Feliciano constantly pulling, keeping up with Duke down field at times, blocking in the open field. Don't know what else to say really.

 

[FlipT]

Morris isn't a good pitch and catch QB, but I don't blame him. I feel there is still reminiscence of Whippleball when he gets flustered. Fisch was a guy who could reel him, this remains to be seen with Coley.

 

[fincane]

Our WRs aren't elite players. When they go against elite cover people they are going to struggle. Our QB isn't seeing the field well now either. On the play that ended up in a PI on Fowler, Coley uses Walford and Sandland(could've been called for a Offensive pass interference) to clear out the flat. Duke is wide open for a stroll in TD. Morris doesn't trust it. Doesn't throw it. Goes backside and is lucky to get the PI. You want to attack the middle of the field with a QB who isn't reading coverage well? Welcome to Jacory's mid 2009 through all of 2010. The only difference is Morris throws the ball so hard some of throws won't get picked off.

 

[Canesfan1899]

I think we are going to see more and more Waters and Coley at WR going forward. I would love to see more Dorsett in the slot stretching the field, and Waters and Coley catching balls underneath. Love Dorsett and Hurns, but those other guys need some more reps.

 

[JHallCanes]

Our WRs aren't elite players. When they go against elite cover people they are going to struggle. Our QB isn't seeing the field well now either. On the play that ended up in a PI on Fowler, Coley uses Walford and Sandland(could've been called for a Offensive pass interference) to clear out the flat. Duke is wide open for a stroll in TD. Morris doesn't trust it. Doesn't throw it. Goes backside and is lucky to get the PI. You want to attack the middle of the field with a QB who isn't reading coverage well? Welcome to Jacory's mid 2009 through all of 2010. The only difference is Morris throws the ball so hard some of throws won't get picked off.

Ouch

 

[theibisrules]

I disagree fincane...our WR's are elite. If the qb has literally no time to throw he will get jittery, I don't care who you are. Don't believe me, just ask Dan Marino in 1984.

 

[theibisrules]

Our receivers are just as good bamas....the only thing is bamas o-line won't let their qb get touched.