Lot's of people will look silly

[DaU83]

One other thing. I don't think it's a given we play at the same offensive pace next year. That was a conscious decision by Golden this year, not necessarily indicative of the style he wants to play.

I think this is an important point.

I don't. What is going he going to do?

"Hey Jedd, Morris is throwing for 3,500 and Duke is getting 6 per carry. Let's tone it down, do less on offense."

"Hey Jedd, we don't have to keep this torrid pace any more, we have a better defense"

 

[LuCane]

One other thing. I don't think it's a given we play at the same offensive pace next year. That was a conscious decision by Golden this year, not necessarily indicative of the style he wants to play.

I think this is an important point.

I don't. What is going he going to do?

"Hey Jedd, Morris is throwing for 3,500 and Duke is getting 6 per carry. Let's tone it down, do less on offense."

Jesus. You can snap the ball at different points in the game clock, for example, depending on the game scenario. You can huddle. You can shift gears. I know it's a lot to ask of a coach, but you can commit to running the ball with a particular identity. It has nothing to do with reducing the offense's effectiveness completely. The 49ers of the 80s could have increased their pace and that offense would have looked even more spectacular, but football is played as a complete team: offense + defense + a clock running down.

 

[gcane44]

Shannon was able to produce better results with Glenn Cook, Romeo Davis and Sam Shields on the field. That's like playing with 8 guys on D. The point is a good DC would have shown improvement from first to last game. Nobody can give evidence to N'Odfrio doing such work. His side of the ball was as spasmatic and confused on Saturday as they were in BC. Try to 'splain that without a buttload of excuses. Can't be done.

go look at temple's defensive ranks from when they got there to when they left.... i don't know what more evidence you want.

Basically our village idiots are saying Coach D won't build a great defense with South FL talent even though he did so with no name talent at Temple. These are the same fans who bashed the coaches for bringing in Olsen Pierre who stated "What do they think they're recruiting at Temple" but yet he's turned out to be ahead of the rest? These are also the same type of fans who bashed Butch while he was building the best football team in CFB history? Some people have zero vision...

How 'bout we just go off the info and results that we have? Is that simple enough for your side of the village idiot square? Our D sucked this year. Sucked on day 1 and sucked on Saturday. I can only go off what my eyes have seen. As for vision, no doubt you are a member of the pom-pom squad that has been yapping about "we're back", or whatever crapola them has been tossed about year after year for the past 9 years or so. How many times have we heard that?

Excuses are for 5 year olds that can't decipher the real world. The real world as is stands today is our defense didn't improve at all. A good coach would have shown some improvement,but simpletons like you can't fathom that. You cling to myth's like "South Fla talent" as if it cures all. We no longer have all the elite players in our pocket. Wasn't the Northwestern gang supposed to be elite? What happened? Don't answer,I don't want to read drivel.

Other teams have great D's without SFla talent. Guess what? They have better coaches too. See how that works. Did I make it easy enough for you?

Can't argue with facts. Fact is we had one of the worst D's in all of college football. I am sure there are teams out there that had less talent and were as young but still weren't as pathetic as this group was. Chaos and panic were our two most consistent players. Our best defender last year (Chickillo) actually regressed.

But you want us to forget all facts and bank on it that we will have a top 20 defense. laff laff laff. Picksix dun picked too many boogers. Your brain is leaking.

^ One of my pet peeves right here.

People thinking they are smarter than they really are

 

[CanesAreAble]

What the 1st string defense will probably look like next season. Look's like we lose nobody? Oh that's because there was 22 true Sophomores or younger in the two deep this season. Duh!!!

DE Chick
DT Porter
DT Pierre
DE McCord

LB EJ
LB Kirby
LB Perryman
LB Paul

CB Gunter
Safety Bush
Safety Jenkins
CB Howard

What's crazy is that's essentially the same starting lineup...the FOLLOWING year. Replace Porter with a guy like Hamilton (if he makes a Pierre-like move) or Keith Bryant (if he's in shape). It's the same lineup in 2014.

Pretty crazy, isn't it? Not to mention all of the key reserves will be back, too.

 

[blackvern]

Golden and D'Onofrio took Temple from 117 to the 40's in one year running a similar defense. You saw his defensive tackles grow from 270lbs to over 300lbs and one of his DTs (Pot Roast Knighton) get his weight in order over that year and the defense was vastly improved.

Didnt know that buti just think the mac is a different animal buffalo and kent st have one recently..but i guess we will see id love to be proven wrong

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Every season there are around a handful of teams that improve their yards per game by 100 yards or so.
This season Maryland, Washington, Texas Tech to name a few decreased their yards per game by over 100 yards. Last season Michigan decreased theirs by a 128.
If we can do that we'll be at around 386 per game which would put us around the average (ranked 60) give or take. If we can do that we'll be OK record wise.

 

[Picksix]

If Miami had the 2010 Temple defense that Coach D was running Miami would have lost two games this year...

Everybody keeps saying Temple this or that but they fail to realize that Temple had a couple of 3 stars on their entire roster when Golden left. The majority of the roster were kids nobody wanted. He had a team that played with high football IQ, were tough as nails and didn't beat themselves. That defense could hang with anybody. The problem was Golden had no offensive fire power like he has at his disposal at Miami. Not only will the defense will lights out soon but the offense is going to be putting up crazy numbers.

CFB better get ready cause Golden is going to wreck ****!!!

 

[PUGCane]

There is no one on the DL. The recruiting situation on the line was so bad, I don't think we recover next year. At least another few recruiting classes. Only Jucos can salvage the depth issue up front. Sorry to repeat, but Shannons recruiting was disasterous and left the new regime in a huge hole.

Unfortunately, the above statement is on target! DL is critical for a successful top 50 defense and we just dont' have "any" studs on the DL. Also, good gosh folks, our Defense was still, in game 12, not ready for the snap of the ball. What is with our defenses the past couple of years where they are still looking around and waving at each other when the darn ball is snapped! I can't count the number of times, this year and the last few games, that the ball was snapped and our guys were still trying to figure out what D they were supposed to be in and they were still moving into that D. A couple of times I literally saw our linebackers looking around, waving around and they turnaround to find a receiver catching the ball in front of them. WHAT THE HECK IS THAT???????

I am usually a VERY positive person but, ****, I just don't see this D making any significant progress this year and in fact looked as bad in game 12 as they did in the first several games! Chaos and no DL studs, tells me we don't get a D in the top 75 next year!

 

[sebastian91]

Without getting deeply into the schedule, which was clearly much harder this season, rankings of opposing offenses, etc., perhaps this will help answer the question of whether the defense improved early to late in the season:

Pts Allowed 1st 6 games ---- 23.67 (2011) vs. 34.67 (2012)
Pts Allowed 2nd 6 games ---- 16.5 (2011) vs. 26.33 (2012)

Total Yds Allowed 1st 6 games ---- 406.5 (2011) vs. 510 (2012)
Total Yds Allowed 2nd 6 games ---- 313.33 (2011) vs. 462.83 (2012)

3rd Down Conversions % 1st 6 games ---- 44.7% (2011) vs. 46.2% (2012)
3rd Down Conversions % 2nd 6 games ---- 37.1% (2011) vs. 39.0% (2012)

Pass Yds Allowed 1st 6 games ---- 219.5 (2011) vs. 259.33 (2012)
Pass Yds Allowed 2nd 6 games ---- 176.5 (2011) vs. 277.67 (2012)

Yds per pass 1st 6 games ---- 7.08 (2011) vs. 11.25 (2012)
Yds per pass 2nd 6 games ---- 8.17 (2011) vs. 6.23 (2012)

Rush Yds Allowed 1st 6 games ---- 187 (2011) vs. 250.67 (2012)
Rush Yds Allowed 2nd 6 games ---- 136.83 (2011) vs. 185.17 (2012)

Yds per rush 1st 6 games ---- 4.63 (2011) vs. 4.87 (2012)
Yds per rush 2nd 6 games ---- 3.57 (2011) vs. 4.87 (2012)

Total Turnovers Forced ---- 15 (2011) vs. 22 (2012)

In almost all categories, the defense improved from the 1st 6 games to the 2nd 6 games in both seasons. Clearly, the 2012 defense was not as good as the 2011 defense, for obvious reasons, but I think it would be hard to argue that the defense hasn't shown improvement in both years as the seasons progressed. I don't think you can just look at the BC and Duke games and forget about everything in between to judge whether or not the defense improved this season. The 2012 defense also forced 47% more turnovers than the 2011 defense.

Looking at these numbers, I would argue that the 2012 defense from the second half of the season was just about as good (or, just as bad, if you prefer) as the 2011 defense was in the first 6 games of that season. Given what was lost from 2011 to 2012 on defense, I'd say that this isn't that horrible of a result considering the lack of experience, physical and mental development and upperclassmen leadership.

I should note that our offense got fewer 1st downs, fewer total yds, and had a lower 3rd down conversion % from the 1st half to the 2nd half of the season in both years, although the apparent regression was less in 2012 than 2011.

Stats aside, I believe that no scheme would work with the personnel Coach D had to work with. Until we can start winning the line of scrimmage, the defense is going to struggle regardless of the scheme (and, no, I do not believe that shooting DL thru the gaps would make any difference if they aren't physically able to beat the guy in front of them...the opposing coaches will just change their blocking scheme, and our under-developed DL will still get beat up). I think a reasonable goal looking to next season would be to see similar numbers in the 1st 6 games as we saw in the last 6 games of this season, with a continuation of the trend towards improvement over that in the 2nd half of the season. Dominant DL don't grow on trees, and they rarely can come in and dominate as frosh and sophs. This is going to take time, so I'm buckled up.

 

[Bigtip]

Yeah you did because last year the defense was run by a bunch of upperclassmen trying to learn the new system. As the season progressed those upperclassmen got better. Those upperclassmen left and Coach D had to teach 22 True Sophomores or younger the new system. There was no progress because they aren't ready to dominate because they're still a JV squad. Last years defense had Spence, Forston, Vernon, Ray Ray and on and on and on that were upperclassmen. When you lose the talent we did the defense took a major step back.

Coach D ran a nasty defense at Temple with no name talent. He's going to build an even nastier defense while at Miami with top tier talent. Coach D isn't going anywhere. Like the OP stated, Coach D will make you look like an idiot very soon. Scheme isn't the problem. 22 True Sophomores or younger in the two deep on defense is. Now carry on with your stupidity.

Still waiting to hear what D-1 CFB defense your running. Or are you coaching at the NFL level? You're the type of "fan" who gives this program the black eye we have...

what program are you running **** face? I have not called for anyone to get fired or called anyone (except you) any names. I support the staff but I am very skeptical that Coach D will be the answer.

the defense that you claim got so much better in 2011: there are/were a lot of moving parts. for example, we played ****tier teams in the later part of the season. I'm not sure that they really did get much better. what I see this year are games like BC, KSU, ND, NCST, GT, DUKE, UVA where the defense was completely shredded in pathetic fashion much like several games in 2011 (VT, UMD).

 

[Bigtip]

this was probably the worst Miami defense (statistically) in HISTORY. that is profound. but nope, we'll be a top 10 d next year baby. ******* south fl baby

 

[Larry]

One other thing. I don't think it's a given we play at the same offensive pace next year. That was a conscious decision by Golden this year, not necessarily indicative of the style he wants to play.

I think this is an important point.

I don't. What is going he going to do?

"Hey Jedd, Morris is throwing for 3,500 and Duke is getting 6 per carry. Let's tone it down, do less on offense."

Jesus. You can snap the ball at different points in the game clock, for example, depending on the game scenario. You can huddle. You can shift gears. I know it's a lot to ask of a coach, but you can commit to running the ball with a particular identity. It has nothing to do with reducing the offense's effectiveness completely. The 49ers of the 80s could have increased their pace and that offense would have looked even more spectacular, but football is played as a complete team: offense + defense + a clock running down.

Totally agree.

Miami's offense is going to rank incredibly high next year...probably Top 25 with ease...but, what they do on offense right now isn't sustainable to winning at the level Miami football should be winning at. You won't win the ACCCG and your bowl game (you know, like a real winning team) or beat the top teams on your schedule running the football 30 times a game...you are just not doing it.

This year, I don't have statistics in front of me nor have I gone into the lab and gotten all of the research done, but I would hypothesize that Miami was scored on after a score of their own more times than any team in the country. It was ridiculous this past season. Miami would put together a 2m-2m30s drive, score a nice touchdown, only for the team to come back on the next drive, drive for 4m+ and score a touchdown. Football is the ultimate game of human chess, and if I could use a chess analogy, they traded pieces way too much, almost unnecessary, really. Sooner or later, in chess, you run out of pawns to trade...you end up trading Knights, Rooks, Bishops, and perhaps even sacrificing your Queen...the end result is a stalemate...this year, we ended up 7-5. It just isn't a winning formula, IMO what they are doing on offense. People can look toward the raw numbers and points we put up, all look nice, but the defense was put in a no win situation many times. FSU game...UVa game...and even in wins that became unnecessary shootouts like NC State.

You can't really blame an offense for scoring when they can no matter how quickly...but, what good does it do when the score is often quickly neutralized.

 

[bomb]

When Miami is a top 10 defense. I know all the issues we've had this year, but I can assure you that coach Golden and staff are well aware. Calling for D'Onofrio head is premature considering the personel on that side of the ball. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I understand the frustration , but I'm willing to bet the house next year you'll see vastly improvement in all areas.

Golden gives every indication that he's a loyal person, don't expect him to be loyal to Miami, but disloyal to his long time friend. What you see is what you get.

There's lots of work to be done, and a top 10 defense may not happen till year four, however top 25 is not out of the question.

We're not going to be a top 25 defense next year because our offense will be entirely too fast-paced for those kind of defensive stats.

I'm on record as saying that, despite having a potential Ferrari of an offense, IF Porter stays and we don't get destroyed by multiple DL injuries, we'll jump into the Top 40 next year.

Can't argue. That said, I am less concerned with yardage and defensive points given up stats than I am with point differential. I am happy to give up an extra 3 points a game if the strategy nets the offense 6.

 

[bg534]

We won't finish any higher than 70th in total defense. Unlikely to jump more than 40 or so spots in one offseason. Spring training doesn't account for that much of a jump, what we saw at the end of the year is only slightly worse than what we will get.


I think we can have a top 15 offense in 2013, however, so a D+ rated defense might work alright for us.

 

[Dingaan1828]

Every season there are around a handful of teams that improve their yards per game by 100 yards or so.
This season Maryland, Washington, Texas Tech to name a few decreased their yards per game by over 100 yards. Last season Michigan decreased theirs by a 128.
If we can do that we'll be at around 386 per game which would put us around the average (ranked 60) give or take. If we can do that we'll be OK record wise.

That's right. When you're giving up 486 ypg, the improvement can really be dramatic. I fully expect us to be around the middle of the pack next year in yardage. Maybe a little better than that in points.

 

[bg534]

One other thing. I don't think it's a given we play at the same offensive pace next year. That was a conscious decision by Golden this year, not necessarily indicative of the style he wants to play.

I think this is an important point.

I don't. What is going he going to do?

"Hey Jedd, Morris is throwing for 3,500 and Duke is getting 6 per carry. Let's tone it down, do less on offense."

Jesus. You can snap the ball at different points in the game clock, for example, depending on the game scenario. You can huddle. You can shift gears. I know it's a lot to ask of a coach, but you can commit to running the ball with a particular identity. It has nothing to do with reducing the offense's effectiveness completely. The 49ers of the 80s could have increased their pace and that offense would have looked even more spectacular, but football is played as a complete team: offense + defense + a clock running down.

Totally agree.

Miami's offense is going to rank incredibly high next year...probably Top 25 with ease...but, what they do on offense right now isn't sustainable to winning at the level Miami football should be winning at. You won't win the ACCCG and your bowl game (you know, like a real winning team) or beat the top teams on your schedule running the football 30 times a game...you are just not doing it.

This year, I don't have statistics in front of me nor have I gone into the lab and gotten all of the research done, but I would hypothesize that Miami was scored on after a score of their own more times than any team in the country. It was ridiculous this past season. Miami would put together a 2m-2m30s drive, score a nice touchdown, only for the team to come back on the next drive, drive for 4m+ and score a touchdown. Football is the ultimate game of human chess, and if I could use a chess analogy, they traded pieces way too much, almost unnecessary, really. Sooner or later, in chess, you run out of pawns to trade...you end up trading Knights, Rooks, Bishops, and perhaps even sacrificing your Queen...the end result is a stalemate...this year, we ended up 7-5. It just isn't a winning formula, IMO what they are doing on offense. People can look toward the raw numbers and points we put up, all look nice, but the defense was put in a no win situation many times. FSU game...UVa game...and even in wins that became unnecessary shootouts like NC State.

You can't really blame an offense for scoring when they can no matter how quickly...but, what good does it do when the score is often quickly neutralized.

That falls entirely on the defense. The offense's job is to score. If they need to do it quickly by utilizing the passing game, or a home run hitter like Duke keeps housing it, then that is a good thing, because the offense is scoring. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing. Any time an offense can score points, it is a winning formula.

The 2001 Canes scored quicker than this team, and the defense still managed to be tops.

 

[Dingaan1828]

That falls entirely on the defense. The offense's job is to score. If they need to do it quickly by utilizing the passing game, or a home run hitter like Duke keeps housing it, then that is a good thing, because the offense is scoring. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing. Any time an offense can score points, it is a winning formula.

The 2001 Canes scored quicker than this team, and the defense still managed to be tops.

I agree, absolutely. But Al was talking about the ability to pick up some 3rd down conversions. Too many times this year the O left the field early because we couldn't convert a simple 3rd and short. So, it's not about giving up the quick strike. It's about staying on the field when you don't get the quick strike.

 

[Chuckles]

That falls entirely on the defense. The offense's job is to score. If they need to do it quickly by utilizing the passing game, or a home run hitter like Duke keeps housing it, then that is a good thing, because the offense is scoring. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing. Any time an offense can score points, it is a winning formula.

The 2001 Canes scored quicker than this team, and the defense still managed to be tops.

I agree, absolutely. But Al was talking about the ability to pick up some 3rd down conversions. Too many times this year the O left the field early because we couldn't convert a simple 3rd and short. So, it's not about giving up the quick strike. It's about staying on the field when you don't get the quick strike.

Then were back to the pachyderms that can't get it done up front when it's critical aren't we? To improve our running stats both fer and agin we need better performance on both the OL and DL. This year both lines hurt us, moreso the D, yet both gave the coaches frequent heartburn (not to mention me).

 

[Dandycane]

This will be the worst team Golden will have to field at Miami. He finished the season 7-5 and won the coastal division with a chance to go play in the acccg.

Think abut that and stop the bed wetting.

 

[Dingaan1828]

That falls entirely on the defense. The offense's job is to score. If they need to do it quickly by utilizing the passing game, or a home run hitter like Duke keeps housing it, then that is a good thing, because the offense is scoring. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing. Any time an offense can score points, it is a winning formula.

The 2001 Canes scored quicker than this team, and the defense still managed to be tops.

I agree, absolutely. But Al was talking about the ability to pick up some 3rd down conversions. Too many times this year the O left the field early because we couldn't convert a simple 3rd and short. So, it's not about giving up the quick strike. It's about staying on the field when you don't get the quick strike.

Then were back to the pachyderms that can't get it done up front when it's critical aren't we? To improve our running stats both fer and agin we need better performance on both the OL and DL. This year both lines hurt us, moreso the D, yet both gave the coaches frequent heartburn (not to mention me).

The OL underperformed, IMO, based on the talent there. The DL just didn't have much to work with. I'm not a Kehoe fan, but I'm not in panic mode. Let's see what happens next year. Art will have a very good grpoup to work with, so I'm optimistic.