Lets give Al a break

[Consigliere]

Why are you mad because your rational is not very good, consistency is all I ask for. I think we have a shot to do something special next year but if it doesn't happen I'm not gonna blame the kids who make no money off of this, I'm blaming the coach who is getting paid almost 2 million dollars and that's the difference between me and you consigliere.

Who is mad? We all have the right to judge Al, just sick of hearing the Randy Shannon BS defense squad.

I get what you mean by "consistency," though...all 13 of your posts Anti-Al or Pro-RS.

 

[aintnothangbutacane]

In all fairness, we dont have enough information on Golden to know what moves he has made that will turn out to be good. He's still an unknown whether thats what you want to hear or not.

Really?

The only thing that is questionable is his gameday management and beating inferior teams.

The guy can recruit with the best of 'em.

Let's wait and see. I don't want to turn this into a Shannon vs him thread, but at this point in their tenures, Shannon had already pulled the #1 class in the nation and we know how his tenure turned out. We really have no clue about him.

AG pulled Duke, Bush, and Howard with the NCAA poo cloud lingering.

AG pulled kids from Central, Miramar, and Southridge.

Artie Burns was committed to Alabama at one point.

Recruiting is not a weakness for the man.

Duke had been committed prior to him coming here but the other guys that you pointed out are true. Without bringing his name up because this thread has turned into a race war, we have seen a guy fail after pulling in the #1 recruiting class in the nation and in 2 different years end up with arguably the #1 recruit in the entire country that were out of state kids.

I'm not saying Golden sucks by any means but I don't think its a given at this point that he is a sure thing as a lock down recruiter either. We shall see. Wednesday will tell us a lot IMO

 

[Consigliere]

Oh and Randy was the one that pulled Duke that and the fact that Duke said he wasn't going anywhere but Miami, anything else...

 

[Fzac75]

Their records are pretty close for him to be head and shoulder above Randy. Or did you not think about that, oh wait let me guess al had less talent when him came in right also not true.

Again, wrong, let's see when Golden arrived he had exactly only 2 scholarship qb's on the roster, and one of them was a freshmen and a mediocre senior qb, he developed more first rd talent at Temple then Shannon did at the U?

And the only thing you are right is the fact that if next year Golden does not improve this team to 9-10 wins, by all means he merits all the criticism. But the fact of the matter is, it is common knowledge and fact that Golden inherited a team bereft of depth and talent in many positions. Evidenced by the fact that he was forced into playing so many inexperience, physically immature freshmen and redshirt freshmen on the two deep roster. But don't let the fact that this was widely reported last year and this year to get in the way.

 

[Vb1085]

Is that what their record on the field tells you weownfsu. You guys are like republican and the NRA, there is very little fact in what you are saying but you are never wrong lol...

 

[aintnothangbutacane]

Is that what their record on the field tells you weownfsu. You guys are like republican and the NRA, there is very little fact in what you are saying but you are never wrong lol...

Yup, definitely Vburd

 

[Vb1085]

And randy Shannon didn't, Kirby freeman was so great and he had 2 freshmen qb's. anything else fzac75???

 

[TP800]

Duke was ALWAYS coming to Miami. Donna could have been the coach, and he would have come.

 

[Fzac75]

Is that what their record on the field tells you weownfsu. You guys are like republican and the NRA, there is very little fact in what you are saying but you are never wrong lol...

And thus proving exactly you're agenda, and more importantly your lack of historical data and historical facts, to make a blanket statement as that. But as I said before, this is not about facts or historical data, this an agenda issue with you and others thinking like you. Enjoy and Go Canes

PS open a history book and actually learn the facts, bet you have never even read the constitution, and if you had a clue you would know I am not even referencing the 2nd amendment, you ignoramous

 

[Vb1085]

I'm not gonna talk about how if the government really want to take you out your guns wouldn't do sh@&. They would say I see your gun and raise you a missile the second amendment didn't make plans for that scenario huh. And it's assault rifles that I have a problem with. Go Canes!!!

 

[CaneBoss]

In all fairness, we dont have enough information on Golden to know what moves he has made that will turn out to be good. He's still an unknown whether thats what you want to hear or not.

Really?

The only thing that is questionable is his gameday management and beating inferior teams.

The guy can recruit with the best of 'em.

Let's wait and see. I don't want to turn this into a Shannon vs him thread, but at this point in their tenures, Shannon had already pulled the #1 class in the nation and we know how his tenure turned out. We really have no clue about him.

AG pulled Duke, Bush, and Howard with the NCAA poo cloud lingering.

AG pulled kids from Central, Miramar, and Southridge.

Artie Burns was committed to Alabama at one point.

Recruiting is not a weakness for the man.

Duke had been committed prior to him coming here but the other guys that you pointed out are true. Without bringing his name up because this thread has turned into a race war, we have seen a guy fail after pulling in the #1 recruiting class in the nation and in 2 different years end up with arguably the #1 recruit in the entire country that were out of state kids.

I'm not saying Golden sucks by any means but I don't think its a given at this point that he is a sure thing as a lock down recruiter either. We shall see. Wednesday will tell us a lot IMO

That #1 2008 class goes down as potentially the biggest disaster in CFB history. No talent development - More busts then a porno shoot (discussed at length on this site). Golden hasn't recruited those types of "paper" classes YET, however he has shown himself to be light years beyond Shannon in the development and CEO department.

As far as Shannon goes, he is now a position coach. Not a coordinator, a position coach. That should tell you all you need to know about his perception among the CFB world. Not to mention all the bridges he burned around the S. Fl high schools....

 

[Fzac75]

And randy Shannon didn't, Kirby freeman was so great and he had 2 freshmen qb's. anything else fzac75???

Again thus proving my point in regards to Shannon's failure in coaching and managing the roster. Unlike others I never critiqued Shannon his first two years, you can ask JediMasterCane for proof, many arguments him and I had. I believe a new college head coach must be given 4 years to see if they are successful or any good. Roster turnover and management must be done. But after the 4 years of Shannon it was evident that he failed, while Golden is in his 3rd year here, but after 4 years at freaking Temple he showed there he could succeed. Lets not forget the fact the same former players who supported Randy, because he is family and because of course racially they wanted him to succeed, were the same players saying he had to go. The simple point is this is not a racially driven issue, it is simply the fact that up to now Golden has merited the benefit of the doubt based on actual track record and the team has improved from his first year to his second year heading into his 3rd year. So no you cannot compare. Now if the status quo remains the same, then by all means it is definitely fair game, and trust me everybody will criticize

 

[deleted3746]

Duke was ALWAYS coming to Miami. Donna could have been the coach, and he would have come.

Maybe, but AG pulled kids from schools your boy never recruited.

 

[Fzac75]

I'm not gonna talk about how if the government really want to take you out your guns wouldn't do sh@&. They would say I see your gun and raise you a missile the second amendment didn't make plans for that scenario huh. And it's assault rifles that I have a problem with. Go Canes!!!

Again I stated my point of reading the constitution had no bearing on the 2nd amendment, I too am against assault rifles, my point was on the whole constitution, in particular article 1 section 8. Thank you for proving my point.

And holy crap this has really gone off course

 

[Vb1085]

Al is light years ahead of Shannon but has only won 1 more game than Shannon did his first 2years, facts people facts lol.

 

[aintnothangbutacane]

Really?

The only thing that is questionable is his gameday management and beating inferior teams.

The guy can recruit with the best of 'em.

Let's wait and see. I don't want to turn this into a Shannon vs him thread, but at this point in their tenures, Shannon had already pulled the #1 class in the nation and we know how his tenure turned out. We really have no clue about him.

AG pulled Duke, Bush, and Howard with the NCAA poo cloud lingering.

AG pulled kids from Central, Miramar, and Southridge.

Artie Burns was committed to Alabama at one point.

Recruiting is not a weakness for the man.

Duke had been committed prior to him coming here but the other guys that you pointed out are true. Without bringing his name up because this thread has turned into a race war, we have seen a guy fail after pulling in the #1 recruiting class in the nation and in 2 different years end up with arguably the #1 recruit in the entire country that were out of state kids.

I'm not saying Golden sucks by any means but I don't think its a given at this point that he is a sure thing as a lock down recruiter either. We shall see. Wednesday will tell us a lot IMO

That #1 2008 class goes down as potentially the biggest disaster in CFB history. No talent development - More busts then a porno shoot (discussed at length on this site). Golden hasn't recruited those types of "paper" classes YET, however he has shown himself to be light years beyond Shannon in the development and CEO department.

As far as Shannon goes, he is now a position coach. Not a coordinator, a position coach. That should tell you all you need to know about his perception among the CFB world. Not to mention all the bridges he burned around the S. Fl high schools....

Nobody gives a **** about Shannon and his perception and what he is doing now. He sucked. I'm pointing out that he recruited well his first couple of years as well. At this point those classes (when they were underclassmen) played very well and just didnt develop into their junior and senior years. We don't know if Golden's classes will develop anymore either. If you try to make that argument at this point, you are just reaching and hoping because there is no evidence at this level that his classes will develop into something special. That is just ridiculous.

It's ok for it to be up in the air right now. Nothing is set in stone. He may end up being Jimmy Johnson

 

[Vb1085]

Well then what was your point, if I haven't read the constitution that make my cane FACTS useless to you lol. And if you look at the last election it seemed like most republicans just wanted to get the black guy out of office even though what he did helps the majority of the country. The truth hurts don't it...

 

[CaneBoss]

Let's wait and see. I don't want to turn this into a Shannon vs him thread, but at this point in their tenures, Shannon had already pulled the #1 class in the nation and we know how his tenure turned out. We really have no clue about him.

AG pulled Duke, Bush, and Howard with the NCAA poo cloud lingering.

AG pulled kids from Central, Miramar, and Southridge.

Artie Burns was committed to Alabama at one point.

Recruiting is not a weakness for the man.

Duke had been committed prior to him coming here but the other guys that you pointed out are true. Without bringing his name up because this thread has turned into a race war, we have seen a guy fail after pulling in the #1 recruiting class in the nation and in 2 different years end up with arguably the #1 recruit in the entire country that were out of state kids.

I'm not saying Golden sucks by any means but I don't think its a given at this point that he is a sure thing as a lock down recruiter either. We shall see. Wednesday will tell us a lot IMO

That #1 2008 class goes down as potentially the biggest disaster in CFB history. No talent development - More busts then a porno shoot (discussed at length on this site). Golden hasn't recruited those types of "paper" classes YET, however he has shown himself to be light years beyond Shannon in the development and CEO department.

As far as Shannon goes, he is now a position coach. Not a coordinator, a position coach. That should tell you all you need to know about his perception among the CFB world. Not to mention all the bridges he burned around the S. Fl high schools....

Nobody gives a **** about Shannon and his perception and what he is doing now. He sucked. I'm pointing out that he recruited well his first couple of years as well. At this point those classes (when they were underclassmen) played very well and just didnt develop into their junior and senior years. We don't know if Golden's classes will develop anymore either. If you try to make that argument at this point, you are just reaching and hoping because there is no evidence at this level that his classes will develop into something special. That is just ridiculous.

It's ok for it to be up in the air right now. Nothing is set in stone. He may end up being Jimmy Johnson

So we are blatantly disregarding his talent development at Temple? 5 players drafted into the NFL, including Wilkerson and some 2 star recruit named Bernard Pierce (playing in the SB tomorrow) who has avg. 9.7 ypc in his last 6 games? Pretty sure we already have plenty of "evidence at this level" that shows Golden's ability to develop talent.

 

[aintnothangbutacane]

AG pulled Duke, Bush, and Howard with the NCAA poo cloud lingering.

AG pulled kids from Central, Miramar, and Southridge.

Artie Burns was committed to Alabama at one point.

Recruiting is not a weakness for the man.

Duke had been committed prior to him coming here but the other guys that you pointed out are true. Without bringing his name up because this thread has turned into a race war, we have seen a guy fail after pulling in the #1 recruiting class in the nation and in 2 different years end up with arguably the #1 recruit in the entire country that were out of state kids.

I'm not saying Golden sucks by any means but I don't think its a given at this point that he is a sure thing as a lock down recruiter either. We shall see. Wednesday will tell us a lot IMO

That #1 2008 class goes down as potentially the biggest disaster in CFB history. No talent development - More busts then a porno shoot (discussed at length on this site). Golden hasn't recruited those types of "paper" classes YET, however he has shown himself to be light years beyond Shannon in the development and CEO department.

As far as Shannon goes, he is now a position coach. Not a coordinator, a position coach. That should tell you all you need to know about his perception among the CFB world. Not to mention all the bridges he burned around the S. Fl high schools....

Nobody gives a **** about Shannon and his perception and what he is doing now. He sucked. I'm pointing out that he recruited well his first couple of years as well. At this point those classes (when they were underclassmen) played very well and just didnt develop into their junior and senior years. We don't know if Golden's classes will develop anymore either. If you try to make that argument at this point, you are just reaching and hoping because there is no evidence at this level that his classes will develop into something special. That is just ridiculous.

It's ok for it to be up in the air right now. Nothing is set in stone. He may end up being Jimmy Johnson

So we are blatantly disregarding his talent development at Temple? 5 players drafted into the NFL, including Wilkerson and some 2 star recruit named Bernard Pierce (playing in the SB tomorrow) who has avg. 9.7 ypc in his last 6 games? Pretty sure we already have plenty of "evidence at this level" that shows Golden's ability to develop talent.

No, because I don't know how he is going to do with these kids. He could develop NFL draft picks here and the team could still be mediocre. Elite teams arent the only teams that have kids drafted.

 

[Vb1085]

I guess randy had nothing to with the development of those great defenses that had more first rounders than anyone over a 4-5 year span huh, he just said go play huh...