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Let’s talk about recruiting from a staff perspective (not about recruits)

Banda and Rumph have been D+ recruiters since they arrived.
Simpson is out of HS and has shown me very little when it comes to closing.
Winners close - Butch Davis closed on guys like Winslow, James, Portis, and Davis. Saban is the ultimate closer. Even when he was getting Bama off the ground he closed on studs.
Dabo has mastered it, Smart learned from Saban. Richt had it somewhat at Georgia when he was younger but it seems he got lazy.
We have no closers on staff.
 
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The Franchise said:
He made a huge mistake keeping the entire D staff. It shows me he’s a little too ego driven because the recruiting issues on the defensive side are multifold. Big mistake keeping everyone.
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His ego is definitely my biggest concern and opposing coaches have even called it out (granted it was anonymously). His staff so far appears a little too much like Richt's in that it is full of yes men.
 
Ethnicsands said:
For what it’s worth, I continue to believe that we should err on the side of more local kids each cycle. Build the relationships that pay dividemds over time. And evaluate well. There are always talented local kids who go overlooked.
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It drives me crazy very single time we take a non local reach or ignore a local playmaker that may not have the ideal size. I just don't understand it.
 
People forget Rumph was brought in to land AH kids, n we only have gotten Silvera and a offensive tackle that I’m surprised is still even on the team
 
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Pixelated bukake said:
One thing I am curious to see is how Manny handles recruiting in light of his prior comments of making sure kids are a 'good fit.' While we should always be relatively selective, being particular has to be balanced with considering the abundance of local talent. Many fans bemoan the lack of offers to players that have real interest in being Canes. This doesn't mean that everyone who wants an offer should receive one. But there is ample evidence every Saturday of kids that we didn't even offer that are productive players on P5 schools nationwide. I think this a key component of evaluating, recognizing kids that may not be the obvious 5* that every program seeks but can still be major contributors. What will be his philosophy in identifying kids that can contribute while making sure that we aren't trolled by ones that do not value the opportunity to be a Cane?

His plan/process for developing kids will also be important. As noted above, kids know they can go to many different schools and still get national TV exposure. That will be appealing to the majority of kids. The difference makers, however, realize they have unlimited options. So their concern is on being developed for the NFL, just like a top students want to know how the university will prepare them for gainful employment. Having a process in place to help the blue chip student athletes reach their goals will determine how many of them consider Miami to be a preferred option.
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One thing Diaz had mentioned recently in regards to local youth football programs that stuck with me is tapping into the style of play these kids are taught early on and developing that, not trying to change it.

I think he understands the style of play that made past Miami teams great and the creator of the Turnover Chain is an indication he understands the heart and soul of what makes these guys tick.
 
Insanecane said:
Banda and Rumph have been D+ recruiters since they arrived.
Simpson is out of HS and has shown me very little when it comes to closing.
Winners close - Butch Davis closed on guys like Winslow, James, Portis, and Davis. Saban is the ultimate closer. Even when he was getting Bama off the ground he closed on studs.
Dabo has mastered it, Smart learned from Saban. Richt had it somewhat at Georgia when he was younger but it seems he got lazy.
We have no closers on staff.
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So Butch Davis is not a winner anymore? Where are the highly recruits he has been closing on? Last time I checked he had the 116 ranked class,with no 5* or 4*. You can be the best recruiter in the world but if you don't win kids won't come.
 
Manny has shown nothing in the past.

Recruiting defensively was on him and his staff. Recruit 1 Lb last year was stupid.

The process and roster management need to drastically change. No more taking 1 or 2 guys in one class bc the next class is “loaded”.

We also have to stop ignoring local studs until it’s too late.

Staff also has to wise up and drop kids like Brownlee who wanna play games from day 1.

Send a message. No more ****** around
 
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DragonCane said:
Look OP you may be right in your summations but I don't think guys like you are putting too much emphasis on this years recruitung effort compared to the previous three years.

Can we be better? yes. But we are not the train wreck that everyone thinks we are until it becomes a pattern. I wilm repeat this, one bad year does not make a pattern.

Changes need to take place to make sure that next years effort is better but I plan to give Manny the benefit of the doubt.

Manny is putting together a young energetic staff with him at the helm and I'm excited to see us play with violence and aggression like he preaches.

One bad year of recruiting doesn't kill my ethusiasm to see how we play in 2019 especially with the highly regarded prospects that will be on display.
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I couldnt disagree with you more. It’s like you didnt read the OP. If you dont see the PATTERN staring you in the face, I dont know what to tell you. The pattern is 16 years of poorly organized and planned recruiting, producing 16 years of crap results. I addressed all the aspcts of planning in the OP, so I wont restate them. The goal isnt to be better than this cycle in recruiting. It’s to be actually good at it.
 
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The Franchise said:
He made a huge mistake keeping the entire D staff. It shows me he’s a little too ego driven because the recruiting issues on the defensive side are multifold. Big mistake keeping everyone.
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I disagree.

The defensive system works, the player have improved under the tutelage of the coaches and (on the whole) we've recruited good players. I think it's a smart move by Diaz to replace himself with Baker and keep the status quo on the defensive side of the ball. I happen to think Banda and Simpson are very good recruiters too (Simpson has gone national to find players, which I really admire).

The offensive side of the ball is where he needs to turn his attention to at the moment.
 
Kyle Liburd said:
Elite south Florida receivers go to Bama and elite south Florida defensive backs go to UGA. Deandre Baker, Campbell, and Stevenson
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We didn't go after Baker hard. I remember that one. I asked about him on this very board. Consensus was he wasn't good enough. My reply at the time; but he's good enough for uga? We'll be doing this same circle jerk when the Boateng kid is playing at Clemson.
 
OldhamA said:
I disagree.

The defensive system works, the player have improved under the tutelage of the coaches and (on the whole) we've recruited good players. I think it's a smart move by Diaz to replace himself with Baker and keep the status quo on the defensive side of the ball. I happen to think Banda and Simpson are very good recruiters too (Simpson has gone national to find players, which I really admire).

The offensive side of the ball is where he needs to turn his attention to at the moment.
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We had one really good season defensively and that was with a senior laden squad at the most important spots.

As HC, he needs to multitask and anticipate issues BEFORE they kill him and not try to act late after the horror. I fully expect a dip on D next season, and the recruiting there is super mediocre right now.

Offense is a bigger problem, but he needs to anticipate the problems that fans already recognize coming on D.
 
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Funny as **** that only the wins argument debate is on us when fsu has a purse and a joke of a season they still close....but we have to win thats what they say. Only Miami has to win no one else the rules are different here.............lol it aint about wins theres too much proof out there that says its not
 
Salt said:
One thing Diaz had mentioned recently in regards to local youth football programs that stuck with me is tapping into the style of play these kids are taught early on and developing that, not trying to change it.

I think he understands the style of play that made past Miami teams great and the creator of the Turnover Chain is an indication he understands the heart and soul of what makes these guys tick.
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Agreed. One of the best qualities a coach can have is adapting his system to the talent on hand. This applies not only to the kids on the team but to the recruiting base as well.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
I couldnt disagree with you more. It’s like you didnt read the OP. If you dont see the PATTERN staring you in the face, I dont know what to tell you. The pattern is 16 years of poorly organized and planned recruiting, producing 16 years of crap results. I addressed all the aspcts of planning in the OP, so I wont recruit them. The goal isnt to be better than this cycle in recruiting. It’s to be actually good at it.
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It's not true. Recruiting hasn't been the problem. We have had some nice classes over the last 16 years that you mention. It's the development of the players who come to Miami. This is the first horrible year that I can remember where we did not land ANY of the kids we targeted and the coaches have to take ownership of that or it will happen again. However, one bad year of recruiting is not a pattern. Kids coming to Miami who are not developing very much after they sign is an issue and that is not up for discussion IMHO.
 
Winning 10+ games every year is the best recruiter we could have on our side right now. If we don't do that, we don't have the juice in terms of recruiters to overcome elite schools. Primary focus, aside from 2020 kids, needs to be on going 10-2, at minimum, next season and playing in Charlotte. We do that, we'll be in the hunt for elite 2020 kids and the dumpster fire of the 2019 class will be mitigated. We go 7-6 or marginally better, we'll just be hats on a table again.
 
DragonCane said:
It's not true. Recruiting hasn't been the problem. We have had some nice classes over the last 16 years that you mention. It's the development of the players who come to Miami. This is the first horrible year that I can remember where we did not land ANY of the kids we targeted and the coaches have to take ownership of that or it will happen again. However, one bad year of recruiting is not a pattern. Kids coming to Miami who are not developing very much after they sign is an issue and that is not up for discussion IMHO.
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You are lost. Go find a non recruiting thread to use to talk about coaching and development. No one here is claiming we have been well coached or developed well just different topics. We have been mismanaged in lots of areas. Recruiting is one of them. If you don’t grasp that, you’re just not trying. And it is not one bad year of recruiting. Again, you’re entirely wrong but the points hve been made already so this exchange is a waste of time.
 
The Franchise said:
We had one really good season defensively and that was with a senior laden squad at the most important spots.

As HC, he needs to multitask and anticipate issues BEFORE they kill him and not try to act late after the horror. I fully expect a dip on D next season, and the recruiting there is super mediocre right now.

Offense is a bigger problem, but he needs to anticipate the problems that fans already recognize coming on D.
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Again super mediocre is a narrative that is trying to be drummed on here but it's not true. This year has been bad but 16, 17, 18 were good years and will lead to a nice product (defensively) on the field IF (big if) our coaches have developed these young men and we can land a couple of JUCO transfers for depth.

And while some of the kids who did sign with us are not highly rated they will have time to develop.

It's on the coaching staff to develop these young men. We will see if they can.

GO CANES!!!
 
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