Let’s talk about recruiting from a staff perspective (not about recruits)

The defensive recruiting left a lot to be desired these last couple of cycles with the current staff. Despite the defense clearly having more buzz than the offense, its recruiting lagged behind the offense. Why? Year 1 was a transition calls, but we had Kool and didn't bring in the proper numbers. Year 2 we only bring in two DL total. Unacceptable. Why did Diaz, as the DC, allow Kool to not carry his own weight?

How do we lose our top DB targets year-in, and year out? Why so late in the year are we circling back to a guy like Kaiir Elam instead of being on him all cycle long?

These last three years with Diaz heading the defense, our defensive recruiting has been completely mismanaged despite the defense producing at a top level and having all the positive press a defense can get. I worry about the organization of the board and evaluation of defensive recruits. Also, it doesn't seem like we have any closers on the defensive side of the ball at all. If our best recruiter on defense is Banda then we're in trouble.

We have two db coaches who were hired with zero experience. Despite their positive characteristics, we still have to compete with UF, UGA, and Bama for db recruits. Those schools have more juice than we do.

Torrian Gary coached for the Chicago Bears and Virginia Tech for 12 years before landing at UF. Add in Quincy Wilson, Chis Henderson, **** Tabor, Duke Dawson, and Vernon Hargreaves compared to our output the last 3 years.
Bama is Bama.
UGA has had much more success than us recently and Kirby Smart coached multiple NFL starters.
We got low on numbers at dline because Coach Kool thought his resume would sell himself. And it didn't. He thought he had other guys in the bag and they went elsewhere. Hopefully Diaz has better roster management moving forward. I think he will considering the wide net he cast for DE and DT this year
 
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We have two db coaches who were hired with zero experience. Despite their positive characteristics, we still have to compete with UF, UGA, and Bama for db recruits. Those schools have more juice than we do.

Torrian Gary coached for the Chicago Bears and Virginia Tech for 12 years before landing at UF. Add in Quincy Wilson, Chis Henderson, **** Tabor, Duke Dawson, and Vernon Hargreaves compared to our output the last 3 years.
Bama is Bama.
UGA has had much more success than us recently and Kirby Smart coached multiple NFL starters.
Charles

We got low on numbers at dline because Coach Kool thought his resume would sell himself. And it didn't. He thought he had other guys in the bag and they went elsewhere. Hopefully Diaz has better roster management moving forward. I think he will considering the wide net he cast for DE and DT this year
I agree that our DB coaches don't have the resume to compete with other schools like OSU, UF, LSU, Bama etc.. So to combat that we need to be ahead of the game with evaluations, offers and communication. It just seems to me that under the current defensive staff we've offered local players late, and we've heard more than I'm comfortable with that our defensive staff isn't "showing the love" like other staffs are. Why were we not going balls to the wall for a guy like Elam? Instead we're circling back around late in the game after other prospects told us to kick rocks.
 
For what it’s worth, I continue to believe that we should err on the side of more local kids each cycle. Build the relationships that pay dividemds over time. And evaluate well. There are always talented local kids who go overlooked.
I think another huge problem with the recruiting has been how passive the staff has been. They literally stay on guys who leave them hanging on NSD, then the plan b’s get tired of waiting to pull the trigger then they are gone. Would love to see a more aggressive approach with kids, and don’t put all your eggs in one basket til your ****ed.
 
I agree that our DB coaches don't have the resume to compete with other schools like OSU, UF, LSU, Bama etc.. So to combat that we need to be ahead of the game with evaluations, offers and communication. It just seems to me that under the current defensive staff we've offered local players late, and we've heard more than I'm comfortable with that our defensive staff isn't "showing the love" like other staffs are. Why were we not going balls to the wall for a guy like Elam? Instead we're circling back around late in the game after other prospects told us to kick rocks.

We are ahead of the game with our evaluations and communication. It doesn’t matter. These kids bounce to the better program every time. Right now we have a 2021 superstar (James Williams) committed from American Heritage. I’m hoping we’ve won the Coastal back to back times before his signing day comes up or else it may be more of the same. Avantae Williams, Jaiden Francois, and Henry Gray (2020) have all committed and decommitted already because of our program’s instability.

We should’ve been on Elam harder from the jump, but we did maintain contact with him. He came to multiple games during the season. We wanted 3 corners this cycle and losing Brownlee messed those plans up. Brownlee and Nunn are the guys we can’t afford to miss because there will always be a SEC team battling us for the Campbell's and Stevenson’s of the recruiting cycle. Every year.

Ironically, we won’t land the Campbell’s and Stevenson’s until

1. We start winning 10 games yearly (And the Coastal)
2. Dbs a notch below Campbell and Stevenson level outperform expectations and become 1-3 rd picks
3. The Campbell’s and Stevenson’s of the world finally buck the trend and commit to Miami. Then get drafted high and perform in the NFL
 
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We are ahead of the game with our evaluations and communication. It doesn’t matter. These kids bounce to the better program every time. Right now we have a 2021 superstar (James Williams) committed from American Heritage. I’m hoping we’ve won the Coastal back to back times before his signing day comes up or else it may be more of the same. Avantae Williams, Jaiden Francois, and Henry Gray (2020) have all committed and decommitted already because of our program’s instability.

We already are first to the boat with evaluations and offers. We should’ve been on Elam harder from the jump, but we did maintain contact with him. He came to multiple games during the season. We wanted 3 corners this cycle and losing Brownlee messed those plans up. Brownlee and Nunn are the guys we can’t afford to miss because there will always be a SEC team battling us for the Campbell's and Stevenson’s of the recruiting cycle. Every year.

Ironically, we won’t land the Campbell’s and Stevenson’s until

1. We start winning 10 games yearly (And the Coastal)
2. Dbs a notch below Campbell and Stevenson level outperform expectations and become 1-3 rd picks
3. The Campbell’s and Stevenson’s of the world finally buck the trend and commit to Miami. Then get drafted high and perform in the NFL
Nunn & Brownlee are the perfect redshirt DBs that we have to load up on every year. If we got S Smith, S Battle & S Nunn, then we got Couch, Davis & Brownlee, thats being 1 ahead of schedule for the next cycle at both DB spots. Now you can really recruit the big dogs only needing at a bare minimum 1.
 
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Great topic.

My concern with Manny is his inability to fill the roster up with less than elite players at multiple positions. I get it, Surtain & Campbell get bags dropped on 'em, but I'll take a Malek Young & Redwine in some of these classes too. Its Miami, Florida and those kids are everywhere, so why do we only have 2 DBs committed? I hope, if Applewhite is the OC, then the rest of the staff is filled out with the very besg recruiters. Coley, Trooper, Seider, etc.

Yes every cycle ! Player like Bethel
 
Yes every cycle ! Player like Bethel
Its all in how you groom them. Bethel comes in and Redshirts. Then he's a redshirt freshman showing the new freshmen whats up. He should be getting close to having a freakshow body. He'll barely contribute this year, because 2 monster Sophomores are backing up 2 preseason all conference Juniors. Theres also 1 senior who got hurt next year. Depth = 8. Next year his redshirt Sophomore year will be the year for him to prove he belongs on the team... if not we should help him to transfer and then you just recruit an extra freshman or grad transfer with 2 years to take his spot.
 
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Its all in how you groom them. Bethel comes in and Redshirts. Then he's a redshirt freshman showing the new freshmen whats up. He should be getting close to having a freakshow body. He'll barely contribute this year, because 2 monster Sophomores are backing up 2 preseason all conference Juniors. Theres also 1 senior who got hurt next year. Depth = 8. Next year his redshirt Sophomore year will be the year for him to prove he belongs on the team... if not we should help him to transfer and then you just recruit an extra freshman or grad transfer with 2 years to take his spot.

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Manny made a mistake in keeping the defensive staff intact. Should have cleaned house on both sides of the ball. Most of those guys are worse than useless in recruiting. Why worse than useless? Because they get played every year, which is more embarrassing than just missing on recruits. Technique wise, there isn't anything that they teach that can't be taught by a competent coach. If Manny wants to play big boy football, then fire those guys (don't be a Rick), and go hard after Corey Raymond. He doesn't cost much more than the coaches we have on staff, only he is actually does at least one thing well (recruiting).
 
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Manny made a mistake in keeping the defensive staff intact. Should have cleaned house on both sides of the ball. Most of those guys are worse than useless in recruiting. Why worse than useless? Because they get played every year, which is more embarrassing than just missing on recruits. Technique wise, there isn't anything that they teach that can't be taught by a competent coach. If Manny wants to play big boy football, then fire those guys (don't be a Rick), and hard after Corey Raymond. He doesn't cost much more than the coaches we have on staff, only he is actually does at least one thing well (recruiting).
He made a huge mistake keeping the entire D staff. It shows me he’s a little too ego driven because the recruiting issues on the defensive side are multifold. Big mistake keeping everyone.
 
There is a lot of talk about recruiting in connection with the staff changes. I myself have expressed concerns about Manny in this regard. Others have talked about whether someone is or isn’t a good recruiter based on their selling ability, or perceived evaluations. Given how important this topic is to the future of the program, I thought it was worth a thread - not on the recruiting board, but here, as a matter of team management.

First, recruiting is about both evaluations and selling. I have been yapping about evaluations on these boards since early in the Coker years. But evals and selling are outcomes. You don’t get there effectively without a detailed plan and disciplined process. That’s where I’d start.

From the HC and staff perspective, a good recruiting plan requires clear prioritization. What approach, what qualities/types of kids, how to approach local schools and kids and issues, where and how and when to assess kids, how much information is enough, where the bar is set by position and year, how to balance roster spots amongst positions, how to balance types of kid by personality, ceiling, risk, dependability, readiness, etc., how many offers to send out, and when, what spots in any given year you go out of area for earliest, how to divide recruiting responsibilities amongst staff members, how to support recruiting in this new social media era, how to make sure staff members are doing their jobs well as the year unfolds, how to collectovely assess so it’s not different coaches deciding differently based on position groups, how to balance settling vs. holding out for better prospects, how to handle communications with HS coaches and parents, how to move on from a kid while minimizing fall-out, how to maintain contact and have back up plans, how to create perception of momentum, and on and on. And importantly, how to pay enough attention (and who to listen to) so that you don’t have message board regulars better informed than our staff, which has clearly happened in many instances over the past many years.

All of these issues require thought, a process, and a Head Coach to monitor them. Importantly, most to all of that can be done by a good manager. It does not require a great salesman, though that obviously helps. And it does not require a Hc to be a great evaluator, though that clearly helps also. It requires only the right plan, and the right input into evaluations, a discipline to stick to the process and know what you want, and urgency at getting at it. The salesmen can be assistant coaches. And while the HC needs a view on evaluations, a good process can narrow the choices a lot and help generally improve selections.

This stuff sounds obvious, but our last three coaches did an absolutely awful job on this topic. Not only in their down years but even their supposed good years. Recruiting used to be a lot about knowing local high school coaches and picking amongst local kids. Those things still matter, but in this new era, it’s totally changed. There is so much more information on so many more kids. It’s ripe for a Money Ball type approach with data and dicipline to free up coaches to spend their time in the best ways possible, in recruiting and otherwise.

IMO Manny can get this right, if he recognizes the importance of recruiting and prioritizes and resources around it. But I have no idea if he will. His record as DC was not comforting as far as recruiting goes, but his approach so far as a HC gives me some optimism.

@LuCane

Look OP you may be right in your summations but I don't think guys like you are putting too much emphasis on this years recruitung effort compared to the previous three years.

Can we be better? yes. But we are not the train wreck that everyone thinks we are until it becomes a pattern. I wilm repeat this, one bad year does not make a pattern.

Changes need to take place to make sure that next years effort is better but I plan to give Manny the benefit of the doubt.

Manny is putting together a young energetic staff with him at the helm and I'm excited to see us play with violence and aggression like he preaches.

One bad year of recruiting doesn't kill my ethusiasm to see how we play in 2019 especially with the highly regarded prospects that will be on display.
 
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