Lack Of Institutional Control At Tennessee?

Tennessee athletes have dining cards. Students that pay for their education have to pay for their dining cards. Fuch Foster. Does he even have a degree to fall back on when his NFL career is over?
 
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I missed the part where you explained to me how Manziel is forced to play football at Texas A&M?

It's near the same part where you explained to me how Texas A&M/NCAA is allowed to profit off an amateur athlete's name and likeness.

Odd really considering the NCAA has a statue that says: "student-athletes cannot permit their names or likenesses to be used for commercial purposes, including to advertise, recommend or promote sales of commercial products, or accept payment for the use of their names or likenesses."

Seems hypocritical no? Not to you I imagine, as your only argument is that Texas A&M should be allowed to do whatever they want to a student because they give him free college classes.

Not really hypocritical because the athlete/college institute enter into a contract? Ever heard of it?
 
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They're getting the chance to showcase their talent for NFL teams and potentially make millions of dollars. They're also getting a free degree and a chance to land a cushy job after graduation from the local alumni. If they feel they're being exploited, they can decline the scholarship offer and see how well things turn out without a free ride to a college and a chance to build their resume' for an NFL career.

Texas A&M raised $740M this past year, which was more than the previous four years combined. They've probably sold hundreds of thousands "#2" jerseys in the past year. I don't like Manziel at all, but to say that Texas A&M didn't make an absolute killing by having this kid around for a year would be straight lying.

He could shatter his leg this weekend and all he'd walk away with is an average degree and a shiny bronze trophy. Meanwhile Texas A&M gets $200M to renovate their stadium with and gets to use his name and likeness until the end of time.

It's a pretty ****** deal for big time players. It's why the NCAA is terrified of the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit and why the straight up dropped video game licensing.

Who's forcing Johnny football to play again?

Student athletes should not be paid to play, I agree. However, the use of player likenessess and names on a commercial product is completely out of bounds by the NCAA. Players should receive compensation for that, period.
 
So....within the last few years, EVERY school in the $EC except Vandy now has serious accusations against them?
 
Some of you don't know the rules. Everyone likes to say these kids get everything under the sun taken care of 24/7 and that just isn't true. For one they are only allowed one training meal per day. They can get meal plans through living on campus but it's not unlimited. If they leave off campus they receive what they would have received living on campus for rent, food and other expenses. Lets just say you are getting $900 a month, after rent and other expenses, that is not much left for getting the amount of food that a football player needs. I bet money of them are getting the same treatment Foster got.

Another thing is they don't get anything during the offseason when their is no school (dining halls closed) and no practice. If they decide to stay and train on their own, how pay for food and housing is all of them. So unless your parents have money (most of these kids come from the inner city) then not many are going to pass up a free meal, when you are 6'5 290 trying to add some extra weight.

I am not saying these kids are starving but they aren't exactly given everything either. I understand not paying them but have no problem with a kid taking some food for free. Who gives a ****. We are sitting here waiting on the NCAA basically for similar charges. Kids taking free food that was offered to them.
 
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So....within the last few years, EVERY school in the $EC except Vandy now has serious accusations against them?

Well, Vandy football did have that whole rape and attempted cover up of said rape, so not sure if you just mean NCAA accusations...
 
His whole story smells very fishy. Free food is abundantly available to all scholarship athletes especially football players. More so at a rich university like Tennessee. His full ride scholarship includes housing. If he was living in an off campus rented apartment the rent could have exceeded his housing allowance, but according to his interview, he was living in the dorms! So how the heck he didn't have money to pay rent and buy food? Can someone explain this to me?
 
Some of the brain trust here forgets to mention that a kid getting a full academic ride vs athletic ride can also get a job and have the extra time to do so. No football player really can and even if they wanted to there are so many **** restrictions it makes it hard.

as for the non revenue sports, if you are a football player why would u give a ***? Why is the track teams issue your issue? If you are a philosophy major and I'm a computer engineer, and I can get a crazy paid internship and you can't, am I supposed to forego it because you can't make any money bull****ting?
 
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Not really hypocritical because the athlete/college institute enter into a contract? Ever heard of it?

I'd love to see the part of the contract that states that the University, the Conference and the NCAA can use a players image and likeness for profit.

It certainly states why the player himself can't make a nickel off his own personal business, but I'm sure if there is any language about the NCAA/University/Conference being allowed to use an "amateur" athlete to market for-profit, it's probably vague and illogical.

The NCAA wants to play the holier than thou card when it comes to players making profit off autographs and their own merchandise, but they have no problem capitalizing on an "amateur" athlete in marketing their name and likeness without compensating the player.

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I missed the part where you explained to me how Manziel is forced to play football at Texas A&M?

It's near the same part where you explained to me how Texas A&M/NCAA is allowed to profit off an amateur athlete's name and likeness.

Odd really considering the NCAA has a statue that says: "student-athletes cannot permit their names or likenesses to be used for commercial purposes, including to advertise, recommend or promote sales of commercial products, or accept payment for the use of their names or likenesses."

Seems hypocritical no? Not to you I imagine, as your only argument is that Texas A&M should be allowed to do whatever they want to a student because they give him free college classes.

Not really hypocritical because the athlete/college institute enter into a contract? Ever heard of it?

Christ shut up about the contract. How about we adjust the contract so its not so one sided? Let kids sell their likeness (SCHOOL ISSUED autographs, a cut on the jersey, a cut on the school selling 20k seats to eat lunch with the player).
 
Too little too late for the NCAA to do anything about all of these allegations. They are a wounded animal and have very little authority left. We are the last big time school they will **** with. Once our punishments are handed down, the NCAA will just go through the motions. They've effectively been defanged and all of college football can thank us for that. Only thing that can save them is a changing of the rules and a restructuring of the NCAA. Otherwise CFB is about to become an even bigger free for all than it has been for the last few years.
 
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I missed the part where you explained to me how Manziel is forced to play football at Texas A&M?

It's near the same part where you explained to me how Texas A&M/NCAA is allowed to profit off an amateur athlete's name and likeness.

Odd really considering the NCAA has a statue that says: "student-athletes cannot permit their names or likenesses to be used for commercial purposes, including to advertise, recommend or promote sales of commercial products, or accept payment for the use of their names or likenesses."

Seems hypocritical no? Not to you I imagine, as your only argument is that Texas A&M should be allowed to do whatever they want to a student because they give him free college classes.

Not really hypocritical because the athlete/college institute enter into a contract? Ever heard of it?

Christ shut up about the contract. How about we adjust the contract so its not so one sided? Let kids sell their likeness (SCHOOL ISSUED autographs, a cut on the jersey, a cut on the school selling 20k seats to eat lunch with the player).

See my earlier post about Title IX. It isn't gonna happen unless EVERY student athlete is compensated EQUALLY. What part of that isn't getting through your thick skull?
 
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First off i'll go ahead and label myself as one of the ones who believe that players shouldn't be paid.

But suppose they do decide to pay players :

how quickly would that get out of hand? - immediately, with some players getting paid more than others, for popularity, performance, etc. The system would then be unfair creating a huge money machine to the payers like Manziel. Most universities don't turn a profit each and every year so where would the money come from? Not to mention how does that not open up the door for agents, autograph dealers, and other people to enter the college athletes life giving them benefits not available to the average student. It would become out of hand and the whole concept of STUDENT-athlete would cease to exist. If players got paid they would probably de value the education they are getting even farther, leaving those who don't make it to the nfl left on the unemployment line. Yes it is a flawed system, but the players represent an institution, not themselves. I don't believe anyone has presented an option that would work any better. And for those who think these kids are starving you are far off. The kids eat when they want and typically have food that is twice as good as dining hall food. They have access to world class weight training facilities, tutors, get to travel the country, etc. Not to mention they watch tape throughout the week and practice a few days while most college kids have to work a full time job (some have a second job) just to afford classes, just to be poor after that when it comes to buying food/rent/gas.
 
First off i'll go ahead and label myself as one of the ones who believe that players shouldn't be paid.

But suppose they do decide to pay players :

how quickly would that get out of hand? - immediately, with some players getting paid more than others, for popularity, performance, etc. The system would then be unfair creating a huge money machine to the payers like Manziel. Most universities don't turn a profit each and every year so where would the money come from? Not to mention how does that not open up the door for agents, autograph dealers, and other people to enter the college athletes life giving them benefits not available to the average student. It would become out of hand and the whole concept of STUDENT-athlete would cease to exist. If players got paid they would probably de value the education they are getting even farther, leaving those who don't make it to the nfl left on the unemployment line. Yes it is a flawed system, but the players represent an institution, not themselves. I don't believe anyone has presented an option that would work any better. And for those who think these kids are starving you are far off. The kids eat when they want and typically have food that is twice as good as dining hall food. They have access to world class weight training facilities, tutors, get to travel the country, etc. Not to mention they watch tape throughout the week and practice a few days while most college kids have to work a full time job (some have a second job) just to afford classes, just to be poor after that when it comes to buying food/rent/gas.
I think the student athlete mantra is a farce in all honesty. Most of the kids that go to high profile programs go there for the opportunity to make it to the NFL. Otherwise Stanford would have the number 1 recruiting class every single year if the kids really cared about education. But it goes both ways, the schools don't really care about the player's academic achievement. Sure they have to keep up a certain GPA, but both the players and the school know why they are given a scholarship. Its an unspoken mutual understanding IMO.
I also don't see a problem with elite players making more money than other players. If they sell jerseys with their name and number on them, why shouldn't they make a greater profit. Manziel generates more money than any other player on his team. He should in turn be compensated for that earning power. Give each kid what they earn IMO.
 
He will retract his statements, and the NCAA, who claims someone collaborating their own story is considered conclusive evidence of the matter asserted, will thusly find that his statement was not corraborated.
 
It's what Al said (he just gets it): make it a uniform stipend and then if you're caught outside of that the penalty is severe. Done and done.
 
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