Lack Of Institutional Control At Tennessee?

[Ernie McCracken]

Violation for a coach to buy food for his starving players

They are provided 3 meals (or more) a day on top of the money they are given each month..

Not sure that's considered "starving".

Are they provided 3 meals a day? I thought there were some new NCAA rules that restricted when the training table could be open anymore, but I'm not sure. I know they have breakfast anyway.

 

[Gatorhater]

I don't know why Foster would openly come out and say this to hurt the program unless he left on bad terms (or unless someone paid him for this interview)

I think he was just being real!!! Not trying to throw his school under the bus, but just telling it like it is in reality from a players point of view as opposed to a fans or any other outsider. If it makes Tennessee look bad, it makes the NCAA look even worse. Violation for a coach to buy food for his starving players smh

They might hammer Tenn for this. I mean the kids got free TACOS. That is were ncaa draws the line--food. $185,000 cash, well that's ok. tens of thousands for autographs, that's no big deal. BUT some FOOD!!!!! That's it. you're done. Wasn't that the thing that got us in trouble--couple dinners. I mean what's next, bottled water? Once you give the players some food after the game, anything can happen. Cars, well that's ok, but not food.

If I am not mistaken, back under Howard we got penalized because coach loaned kid like $5 to buy food on the weekend and failed to charge him interest when the kid paid it back! Just in case you think the ncaa just started hating THE U in the 90's.

 

[WhatTheHell]

They're getting the chance to showcase their talent for NFL teams and potentially make millions of dollars. They're also getting a free degree and a chance to land a cushy job after graduation from the local alumni. If they feel they're being exploited, they can decline the scholarship offer and see how well things turn out without a free ride to a college and a chance to build their resume' for an NFL career.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Reasons why the NCAA shouldn't and couldn't pay student athletes:

1. Title IX

2. Most college athletes compete in non-revenue generating sports.

3. Most college athletic programs don't make $$ (when factoring in NAIA, NCAA Div III, II, I-AA and smaller BCS universities.

4. Impossible to administer.

5. Who determines what a college athlete makes and who gets paid what?

It isn't going to happen and it shouldn't. If you want to create a minor league football/basketball league go for it. These kids enter a contract and no one is forcing them to sign. If you don't like it, don't be a student athlete.

 

[TheCaneShow]

They're getting the chance to showcase their talent for NFL teams and potentially make millions of dollars. They're also getting a free degree and a chance to land a cushy job after graduation from the local alumni. If they feel they're being exploited, they can decline the scholarship offer and see how well things turn out without a free ride to a college and a chance to build their resume' for an NFL career.

Texas A&M raised $740M this past year, which was more than the previous four years combined. They've probably sold hundreds of thousands "#2" jerseys in the past year. I don't like Manziel at all, but to say that Texas A&M didn't make an absolute killing by having this kid around for a year would be straight lying.

He could shatter his leg this weekend and all he'd walk away with is an average degree and a shiny bronze trophy. Meanwhile Texas A&M gets $200M to renovate their stadium with and gets to use his name and likeness until the end of time.

It's a pretty ****** deal for big time players. It's why the NCAA is terrified of the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit and why the straight up dropped video game licensing.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

They're getting the chance to showcase their talent for NFL teams and potentially make millions of dollars. They're also getting a free degree and a chance to land a cushy job after graduation from the local alumni. If they feel they're being exploited, they can decline the scholarship offer and see how well things turn out without a free ride to a college and a chance to build their resume' for an NFL career.

Texas A&M raised $740M this past year, which was more than the previous four years combined. They've probably sold hundreds of thousands "#2" jerseys in the past year. I don't like Manziel at all, but to say that Texas A&M didn't make an absolute killing by having this kid around for a year would be straight lying.

He could shatter his leg this weekend and all he'd walk away with is an average degree and a shiny bronze trophy. Meanwhile Texas A&M gets $200M to renovate their stadium with and gets to use his name and likeness until the end of time.

It's a pretty ****** deal for big time players. It's why the NCAA is terrified of the Ed O'Bannon lawsuit and why the straight up dropped video game licensing.

Who's forcing Johnny football to play again?

 

[TheCaneShow]

Who's forcing Johnny football to play again?

Who's using his likeness without compensating him for it?

If you want the free scholarship card, then why aren't these college football programs non-for-profit? Why would they ever need to make money if they are able to compensate their players with free tuition? Surely they don't need nearly a billion dollars if they are handing out these amazing, unmatchable free educations right?

 

[WhatTheHell]

Players can decline the scholarship. Nobody is capturing them in the wild and holding them captive, forcing them to battle like Gladiator. You don't want to feel exploited, don't accept the offer.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

Who's forcing Johnny football to play again?

Who's using his likeness without compensating him for it?

If you want the free scholarship card, then why aren't these college football programs non-for-profit? Why would they ever need to make money if they are able to compensate their players with free tuition? Surely they don't need nearly a billion dollars if they are handing out these amazing, unmatchable free educations right?

He's exploiting Texas A&M and the NCAA to make millions of dollars in the future. If he has a better offer out there, then by all means take it. Like WhatTheHell said...players are accepting the scholarship offer. No one is forcing them. I'm all for the free market. I'd love to see a Billionaire start a minor league football league for college aged kids. Until that happens then there really isn't anything to discuss.

 

[SoFlaSmitty]

Foster has come out and said he was paid to play at Tenn.

 

[TheCaneShow]

He's exploiting Texas A&M and the NCAA to make millions of dollars in the future. If he has a better offer out there, then by all means take it. Like WhatTheHell said...players are accepting the scholarship offer. No one is forcing them. I'm all for the free market. I'd love to see a Billionaire start a minor league football league for college aged kids. Until that happens then there really isn't anything to discuss.

I'd love to hear you explain how a kid who is getting a $20,000 education is "exploiting Texas A&M and the NCAA" by potentially (and in 99% of the cases insanely unlikely) chances that he gets millions of dollars in the future.

Texas A&M will probably make more money in these two years from Manziel than he will make in his NFL career ten times over.

Maybe when he retires he should subtract the NFL money that he's "exploiting" from the NCAA and Texas A&M from the amount of donation money, jersey sales, video game sales, advertising sales, Heisman merchandise ect. and take his cut. You think Texas A&M and the NCAA would be ok with that?

They should square it up once his career is over. The billion dollar industry that has become Manziel in the NCAA, SEC and A&M gives back his tuition and his NFL earnings and in return gets the money that he made for A&M and the NCAA who he so viciously exploited.

So lets see, best case scenario he makes $200M or so in the NFL. So right now Texas A&M already owes him about $400M in back pay, with this years earnings not even factored in. Everyone cool with that?

 

[cowboycane]

Who's forcing Johnny football to play again?

Who's using his likeness without compensating him for it?

If you want the free scholarship card, then why aren't these college football programs non-for-profit? Why would they ever need to make money if they are able to compensate their players with free tuition? Surely they don't need nearly a billion dollars if they are handing out these amazing, unmatchable free educations right?

He's exploiting Texas A&M and the NCAA to make millions of dollars in the future. If he has a better offer out there, then by all means take it. Like WhatTheHell said...players are accepting the scholarship offer. No one is forcing them. I'm all for the free market. I'd love to see a Billionaire start a minor league football league for college aged kids. Until that happens then there really isn't anything to discuss.

How do you reconcile these kids who you sell billion dollar TV packages off of not being able to afford food on the weekends if you are the NCAA?

 

[Canesfan1899]

The hypocrisy of the NCAA knows no bounds. just pay them already, the whole $EC does it anyway.

 

[valid]

If college players were allowed to be paid....our program would suffer (at least when it comes to signing highly regarded recruits). All schools with deep pockets would just circumvent the system and outbid us. It would be crazy.

 

[cane305]

you guys know that NCAA gives student athletes stipends, right?

also, hypothetically if one of the Cane greats like Andre Johnson or Devin Hester or Antrel Rolle comes out and says he got paid, would you be mad?

 

[TheCaneShow]

If college players were allowed to be paid....our program would suffer (at least when it comes to signing highly regarded recruits). All schools with deep pockets would just circumvent the system and outbid us. It would be crazy.

It would have to be a universal scale. Every player, no matter what school gets X amount of compensation. They'd never allow a system where one school would be allowed to compensate a player more than another. It would defeat the entire purpose.

 

[Big Sky Cane]

I'd love to hear you explain how a kid who is getting a $20,000 education is "exploiting Texas A&M and the NCAA" by potentially (and in 99% of the cases insanely unlikely) chances that he gets millions of dollars in the future.

Texas A&M will probably make more money in these two years from Manziel than he will make in his NFL career ten times over.

Maybe when he retires he should subtract the NFL money that he's "exploiting" from the NCAA and Texas A&M from the amount of donation money, jersey sales, video game sales, advertising sales, Heisman merchandise ect. and take his cut. You think Texas A&M and the NCAA would be ok with that?

They should square it up once his career is over. The billion dollar industry that has become Manziel in the NCAA, SEC and A&M gives back his tuition and his NFL earnings and in return gets the money that he made for A&M and the NCAA who he so viciously exploited.

So lets see, best case scenario he makes $200M or so in the NFL. So right now Texas A&M already owes him about $400M in back pay, with this years earnings not even factored in. Everyone cool with that?

I missed the part where you explained to me how Manziel is forced to play football at Texas A&M?

 

[Big Sky Cane]

How do you reconcile these kids who you sell billion dollar TV packages off of not being able to afford food on the weekends if you are the NCAA?

That's a joke and anyone who has ever competed in college athletics knows it. They get full meal plans and stipends. Do they live like kings....no. Once again, no one is forcing these poor athletes to live in poverty.

 

[TheCaneShow]

I missed the part where you explained to me how Manziel is forced to play football at Texas A&M?

It's near the same part where you explained to me how Texas A&M/NCAA is allowed to profit off an amateur athlete's name and likeness.

Odd really considering the NCAA has a statue that says: "student-athletes cannot permit their names or likenesses to be used for commercial purposes, including to advertise, recommend or promote sales of commercial products, or accept payment for the use of their names or likenesses."

Seems hypocritical no? Not to you I imagine, as your only argument is that Texas A&M should be allowed to do whatever they want to a student because they give him free college classes.

 

[Pixelated bukake]

I am torn on the issue honestly. These kids work hard and make loads of cash for their schools. Part of me feels they deserve some of that money, especially in an open market that dictates there is demand for their services. The other side of me is the one who writes student loan payment checks once a month after working hard for two degrees at a school I didn't get in to just because I could catch a football. It greatly trivializes and diminishes upper education by saying that a full ride scholarship "isn't enough." I would be sitting pretty right now if my school was payed for. Let's be real, 80% of these kids would not have gotten into the school they are in if not for their athletic talents. I personally do not believe every one in America is entitled to an upper education degree, but that's just me. I do believe in fair open market but also in the value, both real and perceived, of a college education. The battle continues

This is a reasonable take. It's a complex issue. The reality is that there are certain players that increase the marketability and/or revenue of a school, like #2 at Texas A&M, #7 at South Carolina or #15 at Florida. But the reality is that a small percentage. At most schools, the brand of the university is bigger than any one player. The SEC rakes in loads of TV money. I would gather that winning 7, or whatever it is, straight BCS Bowl Championships has more to do with it than any one or two players. And to argue that they should be paid makes the assumption that every program is financially successful. We only focus on wining programs but, how many Division I schools are there? How many of those athletic departments (not just football teams) are operating at a profit? And, truthfully, the opportunity to get a degree, an opportunity that many players would not have but for their football playing abilities, fails to recognize the value of a college degree. At a school like Miami, that is worth about $200k, correct? I would hope that they can come up with some fair system that doesn't "professionalize" college athletics anymore than already has occurred.