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U Wouldn’t Understand said:
Agreed. But what happens if I hire someone to do a job for me and they don't fulfill the parameters of the contract? They don't get paid. The players aren't interested in the fair business practices you quoted. They're looking at this as a one way street.
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First, NIL isn't performance based pay. Whether or not Beck plays well has nothing to do with his pay. Professionals who are getting paid for performance have specific contracts that can pay them more or less with certain parameters for performance or health.

Once again. Georgia's boosters don't have to pay Beck anything. They are free to let him leave for the NFL. If they do decide to pay him, they understand that the payment is for Name Image and Likeness, not for throwing touchdown passes or winning games. The only way he'd be cheating them out of money would be if he accepted a contract to promote products as a member of the Georgia football team and then went to the draft anyway. In which case, the other party would not be obligated to pay anything and could likely sue to get money back. Once again, depending on what the contract says.
 
DTP said:
First, NIL isn't performance based pay. Whether or not Beck plays well has nothing to do with his pay. Professionals who are getting paid for performance have specific contracts that can pay them more or less with certain parameters for performance or health.

Once again. Georgia's boosters don't have to pay Beck anything. They are free to let him leave for the NFL. If they do decide to pay him, they understand that the payment is for Name Image and Likeness, not for throwing touchdown passes or winning games. The only way he'd be cheating them out of money would be if he accepted a contract to promote products as a member of the Georgia football team and then went to the draft anyway. In which case, the other party would not be obligated to pay anything and could likely sue to get money back. Once again, depending on what the contract says.
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You really can't see the forest through the trees can you?
 
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Ultimately, it’ll come down to the haves and have nots. Or maybe that’s the way it’s always been. Power programs & conferences will have resources to retain players and go on the open market acquiring talent. The MAC & like conferences will serve as minor leagues for the SEC & others. They’ll develop 2 & 3 star talent who’ll eventually leave for bags & a chance at playing under brighter lights.
 
U Wouldn’t Understand said:
You really can't see the forest through the trees can you?
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No, you just don't understand NIL. You think that it's paying players to play well. While that might be the unspoken rule, it's not the legal one. When a booster signs a player to an NIL deal, it is for NAME IMAGE AND LIKENESS. That is what they are paying for. Are they gambling paying a player for NIL when that player could turn out to be a bust? Yeah but nobody is making anyone pay anything. These are VOLUNTARY payments.
 
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DTP said:
No, you just don't understand NIL. You think that it's paying players to play well. While that might be the unspoken rule, it's not the legal one. When a booster signs a player to an NIL deal, it is for NAME IMAGE AND LIKENESS. That is what they are paying for. Are they gambling paying a player for NIL when that player could turn out to be a bust? Yeah but nobody is making anyone pay anything. These are VOLUNTARY payments.
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No, I just completely disagree with you and can see where this is headed for the sport. You quoted fair business practices and then moved the goal posts.
 
Too many people couldn't care less about the future of the sport and only care about guys gettin' paid yo. We think it's bad today but we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
Interesting... So Beck isn't holding UGA "hostage" while he negotiates a bigger NIL deal?

Guess it's only like that for Miami QBs ....
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Flirting with the NFL is not the same as flirting with other teams. You can stop protecting Tyler now, he's gone pal.
 
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cway313 said:
Flirting with the NFL is not the same as flirting with other teams. You can stop protecting Tyler now, he's gone pal.
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It’s the same just a different modus operandi. You don’t have to like what TVD did but don’t be shortsighted and tell yourself that beck is flirting with JUST the nfl. Other teams are involved too or his agent is failing him
 
U Wouldn’t Understand said:
No, I just completely disagree with you and can see where this is headed for the sport. You quoted fair business practices and then moved the goal posts.
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Nobody moved goal posts. You said it was "extortion", I explained why it's not. You didn't like my explanation because you don't agree with the rules. You don't have to agree with them. You also don't have to pay anyone's NIL contract either.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
Yes he is.

And this is exactly what I said in that Rhule thread. Beck is entering the portal without entering the portal. And he’d be dumb not to. This is what everyone wanted. Well, it’s here now. So if I was his dad, you bet your *** I’d be sitting in Kirby’s office saying “my son has options. We’d obviously love to stay here, we love you and the program and are grateful for everything. But this is a business. So if you’d like to keep Carson here next year, it’s going to cost you $2.5M. I have already spoken with 3 coaches who have offered him that amount plus his agent believes he can be a late day two pick this year. So if you can give us that amount, we’ll be back. Otherwise I have to explore other options. As a man who has done the same throughout his career, I’m sure you understand, coach.”

I’m not going to criticize the NCAA because I’m not smart enough to figure out a way to do this better than they have. And I believe, obviously, the kids should be compensated for putting a product on the field that TV networks pay BILLIONS for. But what this has morphed into ******* sucks. Maybe it’s the literal only way, again I’m not smart enough to know. But the current landscape is broken.
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If they had a QB behind him developed and ready to compete then this would be a non-issue.

It is what it is.. The alternative would be not paying him and he goes to the NFL prematurely if finances are an important part of his decision. It's just shared revenue at the end of the day, with players taking on risk to enrich everyone but themselves...
 
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DTP said:
Nobody moved goal posts. You said it was "extortion", I explained why it's not. You didn't like my explanation because you don't agree with the rules. You don't have to agree with them. You also don't have to pay anyone's NIL contract either.
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No, I said it was "heading toward legalized extortion". There's a big difference. That's called an oxymoron. Extortion can't be legalized. It went right over your head as well as some others too. I didn't like your explanation because it was wrong. I never once brought up the NIL rules of which I'm very familiar.
 
JustAFanHTX said:
It’s the same just a different modus operandi. You don’t have to like what TVD did but don’t be shortsighted and tell yourself that beck is flirting with JUST the nfl. Other teams are involved too or his agent is failing him
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100%. His agent should be on the phone with the NFL and every other P5 school in the country. He's doing a disservice to his client if he's not.

And I hate I have to type this **** out. It feels dirty and wrong for the sport. But these kids not even being able to have a part-time job at Wendy's while literally everyone else was getting FILTHY rich was even more wrong. Something had to give, and boy did it ever give.

Just like actual professional negotiations, you'll find situations/kids that aren't ALL about the money. Rueben Bain, for example. We know this school means a ton to him. The actual city and school. I'm just using this as a complete example, I don't have a single clue what he prioritizes in his mind, but I guarantee you MANY big-time schools are sniffing around to see how much it'd take to pry him out of Miami. For some kids, hopefully like Bain, there is no price that would get them to move from where they are. As long as their current NIL deal is in the ballpark, they'll stay. But others will be pure mercenaries. If someone like Bain was in this boat, they could and should be listening to any and everyone. You wanna give me $2M to move to Athens or Baton Rouge? Bet. See ya later, Mario.

It's awful and gross and completely changes the sport. But it's the climate that's been created.
 
Empirical Cane said:
Well, he does make the rhules...
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