Just watched Adriene Talan

[SFbayCane]

At this point?

**** no.

Why? He's got a TCU offer. He'd be a fool to choose Miami over them at this point.


You really expect a kid who's been ignored for 2+ years to feel that way about his local school?

All that "my home school" mumbo jumbo doesn't always fly. You're talking about a kid's career, where he's gonna spend the next 4 years of his life. For some people it's a business decision.

Why would a kid hold onto any loyalty for a school that has ignored him for 2+ years?
A school where the football program is in disarray?
A school that hasn't shown the ability to develop a kid like him or use his skill set properly?

I get what you're saying...but you have to realize...all while Miami was ignoring him, he was being shown love from OSU, Nebraska and TCU. When a school like Miami hops into the picture out of nowhere they have a lot of catching up to do. A kid really has to love Miami to sway his decision at that point.

This is an all too familiar story with al golden, especially on the defensive side of the ball. It's maddening.





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[UknowWhat]

I don't think hes a miss by the staff I don't see anything special.... hes a little on the small side I didn't see him take on or shed any blocks plus the video looks speeded up.. but the kid could definitely play tho..

You're literally the only person I've heard/seen say that his tape is nothing special.

He plays at a different speed than everybody else on the field. He's every bit of 6'1" 200lbs but hits like he's 220+. He doesn't have the "take on or shed" any blocks because nobody can touch him. Go watch his Sophomore and Junior film buddy.

I agree with Cane4Life... The smaller quick line backer is great at the high school level... but it gets more difficult for them at the college level and even more still in the Pros. In college the O-Line men are bigger stronger and faster... he will not see that many open reads at the next level...he will have to make plays at the next level by shedding blocks or even taking on direct contact... He will have to beef up... I know by doing so he will sacrifice some speed but he will need some bulk and strength to be successful at the next level.

 

[BALLHAWKU]

Yeah I'll take him put 20 pounds on that boy and he good to go.. if the berry kid goes to KSU then I say take him I like the NJ linebacker.. if Miami offer him on NSD would he sign?

I see you showing your football knowledge again? Take him like you would a NJ lb if laughable that kid flat out flies to the ball

 

[BALLHAWKU]

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I don't think hes a miss by the staff I don't see anything special.... hes a little on the small side I didn't see him take on or shed any blocks plus the video looks speeded up.. but the kid could definitely play tho..

You're literally the only person I've heard/seen say that his tape is nothing special.

He plays at a different speed than everybody else on the field. He's every bit of 6'1" 200lbs but hits like he's 220+. He doesn't have the "take on or shed" any blocks because nobody can touch him. Go watch his Sophomore and Junior film buddy.

I agree with Cane4Life... The smaller quick line backer is great at the high school level... but it gets more difficult for them at the college level and even more still in the Pros. In college the O-Line men are bigger stronger and faster... he will not see that many open reads at the next level...he will have to make plays at the next level by shedding blocks or even taking on direct contact... He will have to beef up... I know by doing so he will sacrifice some speed but he will need some bulk and strength to be successful at the next level.

Yeah lets do it the Miami way under AG lets get him fat and slow by putting 50 pounds on him to take away his best attribute. Its been so successful for the last 4 years. Pretty sure I heard something about the NFL scouts saying that Perry is to heavy

 

[Jassid82]

I like the kid. And I wish we would offer, but if he doesn't have the frame to gain weight and keep that fast twitch speed, he is useless in this scheme. That's what the posters are trying to say who feel he is not a take. I would hate for the kid to come here and get lost in the fold just because of our selfish reasons. He is perfect for that TCU scheme. In our scheme, not so much.

In our scheme he would virtually play the same position as McCord and AQM. The "Jack" position. But you see what weight they got McCord at? Buddy is pushin 245-250. And AQM is 260. Can this kid gain 40-50lbs and still keep that speed and explosion? The coaches are betting against it.

 

[UknowWhat]

I like the kid. And I wish we would offer, but if he doesn't have the frame to gain weight and keep that fast twitch speed, he is useless in this scheme. That's what the posters are trying to say who feel he is not a take. I would hate for the kid to come here and get lost in the fold just because of our selfish reasons. He is perfect for that TCU scheme. In our scheme, not so much.

In our scheme he would virtually play the same position as McCord and AQM. The "Jack" position. But you see what weight they got McCord at? Buddy is pushin 245-250. And AQM is 260. Can this kid gain 40-50lbs and still keep that speed and explosion? The coaches are betting against it.

McCloud has the frame to carry the weight needed...if you don't have a frame that can carry the needed weight but add on the weight anyways. It will slow a player done to the point of ineffective

 

[itsacanething]

Yeah I'll take him put 20 pounds on that boy and he good to go.. if the berry kid goes to KSU then I say take him I like the NJ linebacker.. if Miami offer him on NSD would he sign?

At this point?

**** no.

Why? He's got a TCU offer. He'd be a fool to choose Miami over them at this point.

yea right...a florida kid should chose tcu over Miami. for what??? because they won a few more games the last couple of years. what about the quality of the school and the history of the program. not to mention the fact that he can drive home to see his parents.

 

[CaneSince4Ever]

I agree with Cane4Life... The smaller quick line backer is great at the high school level... but it gets more difficult for them at the college level and even more still in the Pros. In college the O-Line men are bigger stronger and faster... he will not see that many open reads at the next level...he will have to make plays at the next level by shedding blocks or even taking on direct contact... He will have to beef up... I know by doing so he will sacrifice some speed but he will need some bulk and strength to be successful at the next level.

More than one way to skin a cat...you can't block what you can't catch either.

Forgot where I read it, but even Luke Kuechly admitted He wasn't a thumper...said He prefers to use smarts,speed & quickness to beat blockers to the ball, instead of smashing into OLmen play after play after play.

IMO, 220lbs bustin' somebody's *** RIGHT NOW, is better than 250lbs ON THE WAY!...ANY DAY!

 

[Geo305]

I mentioned this to D$,

I would take Talan and Archer before Brightwell and Barry.

I don't like the decision of the staff putting Talan and Archer on the backburner one bit at all.

You get those two in a weight room and combined with their speed. 2 years later you got fast, athletic, outside linebackers who can rush the passer and drop back in coverage.

I'm ****ed.

 

[Geo305]

Uknowhat is talking about I can agree with too though.


McCloud our 2016 commit and 2017 Carol City LB Deandre Wilder have the frame to get up to the 240-250s and stay the same speed. They have that Matthew Thomas potential and ability coming out of Booker T.


I just think it's a mistake passing up on Talan though. Different types of linebackers, what's maddening though is the fact that Talan is an athlete, he can play more than just linebacker.


Talan reminds me in the mold of guys like Spence, David, Burgess Jr, Skai, and Grace.

 

[Jassid82]

Uknowhat is talking about I can agree with too though.


McCloud our 2016 commit and 2017 Carol City LB Deandre Wilder have the frame to get up to the 240-250s and stay the same speed. They have that Matthew Thomas potential and ability coming out of Booker T.


I just think it's a mistake passing up on Talan though. Different types of linebackers, what's maddening though is the fact that Talan is an athlete, he can play more than just linebacker.


Talan reminds me in the mold of guys like Spence, David, Burgess Jr, Skai, and Grace.

Also, seeing that our LB depth is dog **** right now and we run a 3-4, you would think they would be stacking as many athletes at that position as possible. Smh.

 

[Geo305]

If we have a fit for Grace.

I see a fit for guys like

Talan and Archer in 2015.

A guy like Devin Bush Jr from Flanagan in 2016

Waynmon Steed from Central in 2017.


And you get the picture.

 

[919cane]

Weird that we can recruit Gayot as a big safety and move him to WILL, but a guy like Talan is too small to take. Seems like some flawed logic.

 

[RocketsandCanes]

Wait so this kid, who is so good, is being missed by FSU, UF MIA and all the SEC (ARKY don't count)... Something smells wrong...!

Happens all the time.

He's a kid who played at a "under the radar" high school from 9th to 11th grade. He's never been to any camps except Miami. He's not highly ranked. The FSU's and UF's don't normally recruit kids like that. There's plenty of FLA kids going to the NFL that the Big-3 ignored.

FWIW...

TCU loves him and they'd beat the **** out of every school in Florida.

You guys always let this "Big-3" crap help sway your judgement on a recruit. Those schools miss plenty of kids. Talan is the kind of kid that FSU/UF miss on but Miami signs and sends to the NFL. Your stereotypical backyard stud.

Has TCU even offered him yet? If they did I missed it on 24/7. The crystal ball has him to Nebraska. It seems like no major schools have touched him really other than Nebraska, Iowa, Oregon State, and Cincy if you count them. He's also decommitted from two schools already (although one being Temple after getting a bigger offer). Are there any possible grade issues with him or was he just looking for greener grass at another program?

 

[UknowWhat]

Uknowhat is talking about I can agree with too though.


McCloud our 2016 commit and 2017 Carol City LB Deandre Wilder have the frame to get up to the 240-250s and stay the same speed. They have that Matthew Thomas potential and ability coming out of Booker T.


I just think it's a mistake passing up on Talan though. Different types of linebackers, what's maddening though is the fact that Talan is an athlete, he can play more than just linebacker.


Talan reminds me in the mold of guys like Spence, David, Burgess Jr, Skai, and Grace.

Also, seeing that our LB depth is dog **** right now and we run a 3-4, you would think they would be stacking as many athletes at that position as possible. Smh.

I pray for 4-3 or even 4-2-5...3-4 is a load and you need to be at least 4 deep for the 3 down guys...the nose has to be a beast
You need to be 4 deep every where...requires a lot of reads one cog mess up and you are gashed...4 down reduces the margin of error tremendously

 

[01Canes]

Uknowhat is talking about I can agree with too though.


McCloud our 2016 commit and 2017 Carol City LB Deandre Wilder have the frame to get up to the 240-250s and stay the same speed. They have that Matthew Thomas potential and ability coming out of Booker T.


I just think it's a mistake passing up on Talan though. Different types of linebackers, what's maddening though is the fact that Talan is an athlete, he can play more than just linebacker.


Talan reminds me in the mold of guys like Spence, David, Burgess Jr, Skai, and Grace.

Also, seeing that our LB depth is dog **** right now and we run a 3-4, you would think they would be stacking as many athletes at that position as possible. Smh.

I pray for 4-3 or even 4-2-5...3-4 is a load and you need to be at least 4 deep for the 3 down guys...the nose has to be a beast
You need to be 4 deep every where...requires a lot of reads one cog mess up and you are gashed...4 down reduces the margin of error tremendously

Completely agree with this. Your son would flourish on the inside with Perry/Owens and potentially McCloud/Pinckney on the outside.

Hopefully we'll have the aggressive, swarm to the football, 4-3 one-gap defense so many of us covet by the time your son gets here.

 

[Cribby]

Uknowhat is talking about I can agree with too though.


McCloud our 2016 commit and 2017 Carol City LB Deandre Wilder have the frame to get up to the 240-250s and stay the same speed. They have that Matthew Thomas potential and ability coming out of Booker T.


I just think it's a mistake passing up on Talan though. Different types of linebackers, what's maddening though is the fact that Talan is an athlete, he can play more than just linebacker.


Talan reminds me in the mold of guys like Spence, David, Burgess Jr, Skai, and Grace.

Also, seeing that our LB depth is dog **** right now and we run a 3-4, you would think they would be stacking as many athletes at that position as possible. Smh.

I pray for 4-3 or even 4-2-5...3-4 is a load and you need to be at least 4 deep for the 3 down guys...the nose has to be a beast
You need to be 4 deep every where...requires a lot of reads one cog mess up and you are gashed...4 down reduces the margin of error tremendously

Have they mentioned anything amour maybe tweaking scheme or changing it?

 

[Coach Macho]

I don't think hes a miss by the staff I don't see anything special.... hes a little on the small side I didn't see him take on or shed any blocks plus the video looks speeded up.. but the kid could definitely play tho..

You're literally the only person I've heard/seen say that his tape is nothing special.

He plays at a different speed than everybody else on the field. He's every bit of 6'1" 200lbs but hits like he's 220+. He doesn't have the "take on or shed" any blocks because nobody can touch him. Go watch his Sophomore and Junior film buddy.

I agree with Cane4Life... The smaller quick line backer is great at the high school level... but it gets more difficult for them at the college level and even more still in the Pros. In college the O-Line men are bigger stronger and faster... he will not see that many open reads at the next level...he will have to make plays at the next level by shedding blocks or even taking on direct contact... He will have to beef up... I know by doing so he will sacrifice some speed but he will need some bulk and strength to be successful at the next level.

Right.

LOL

 

[Coach Macho]

I like the kid. And I wish we would offer, but if he doesn't have the frame to gain weight and keep that fast twitch speed, he is useless in this scheme. That's what the posters are trying to say who feel he is not a take. I would hate for the kid to come here and get lost in the fold just because of our selfish reasons. He is perfect for that TCU scheme. In our scheme, not so much.

In our scheme he would virtually play the same position as McCord and AQM. The "Jack" position. But you see what weight they got McCord at? Buddy is pushin 245-250. And AQM is 260. Can this kid gain 40-50lbs and still keep that speed and explosion? The coaches are betting against it.

We couldn't use a 6'1" 200+ Safety with 4.4 speed in our defense?

 

[Coach Macho]

Yeah I'll take him put 20 pounds on that boy and he good to go.. if the berry kid goes to KSU then I say take him I like the NJ linebacker.. if Miami offer him on NSD would he sign?

At this point?

**** no.

Why? He's got a TCU offer. He'd be a fool to choose Miami over them at this point.

yea right...a florida kid should chose tcu over Miami. for what??? because they won a few more games the last couple of years. what about the quality of the school and the history of the program. not to mention the fact that he can drive home to see his parents.

Those things mean less than you think.