forums

Josh Moore

Advertisement
Empirical Cane said:
Question:

Will Beck make them better WRs...

OR...

Will their natural WR talent make Beck a better QB?

If memory serves a big component of Beck's "production drop" last season was from dropped (very catchable) passes.
Click to expand...
Wrs will always be able to make a QB better. No different from a QB making wrs better. It's a complimentary game.
 
Brooklyndee said:
Brother we're too old for dramatics. No one should be paying any attention (positive or negative) to any reports coming out of the first week of spring practice. All that's going on in this time frame in the majority of next is installing systems and doing technique drills. There's not much competition going on right now. I get what you're saying. But look at it logically. Who in the portal right now, is a proven receiver (since obviously the only way to get that would be out of the portal) with enough upside that would make me willing to prioritize them over the kids I've recruited that I've tied numerous resources into and I'd neglect they're potential development? What proven receivers do you see in the portal that makes you say that? Right now I don't see it. I'd imagine our coaching staff is more aware of our current situation than vast majority of you guys on here. Main difference between proven and unproven is playing time... So instead of getting caught up in dramatics why not just let them show who they're gonna be.
Click to expand...
I wasn’t basing this off of reports

And i am looking at it logically, we both know tampering is the game everybody plays lol. If we only looked at who’s in all the time then **** we would not want anyone at this time

And idk why this narrative of getting more competition would do anything to neglect the development of the players we have. If that’s the case why portal for any position?…Because competition is the root of all development

And of course they are more aware, same way they were if our secondary issues around this time and what did they do? Nothing , they moved guys around to patch up the secondary and it ended up ruining a potentially greater season with a player we probably will never get again

Im not getting caught up in dramatics, im only caught up in what we can do to make our team better so we can have as good a year as we possibly can. And right now our wr room or any other room on the team isn’t proven or talented enough for us to not go seek other options.

Because i guarantee when we underperform to people’s expectations they gonna want people on the hot seat. Then what im saying now would be viewed as just logical and the people saying fire this coach or that coach will be caught up in dramatics
 
Brooklyndee said:
The other difference with how beck looked previously is most of those receivers had playing time and proved to be ***. Not the case at all here since they haven't been on the field. Not trying to argue difference of opinions. It's a beautiful day outside
Click to expand...
My thing is why risk that when we see the outcome of level of play with beck? Why bet on unproven talent when the outcome could be that bad?

Im not saying revamp the room, the young guys should see the field but betting on a room with literally 1 proven starting level player is insane. Depending on inexperienced guys to be full blown starters is crazy, they should be rotation players then work their way up to starters

Look at X jacolby the year before last, they had been rotation players that worked their way up. Horton last year was a rotation guy then this year played a big role for us. Not just no experience then full starting role right away, that’s asking for failure
 
Advertisement
bobbydigius said:
WR is fine if a true #1 isn’t available, what we need is another RB.
Click to expand...
I agree we need another rb but how can u say wr is fine but rb isn’t when we have more proven experience at rb than wr ??

At rb we at least have a player who has shared a bulk of rb1 carries multiple years. At wr we literally have 1 guy that has played real college snaps. How can we say oh only if it’s a #1 wr like bro we don’t even have 4 proven guys lmao what logic is this
 
EudocimusAlbus said:
I think Lofton and JoJo will be the biggest targets for Beck this upcoming season. If Daniels proves to be sure handed and Ny Car and Malachi are serviceable, I think we'll be aight. Though, wouldn't mind bringing in another WR transfer. my .02
Click to expand...
Daniels has always been sure handed and a great rout runner. He is a legit #1 receiver, please don’t let that injury at LSU make you second guess this beast. Watch his Liberty film

https://youtu.be/Rv5R4cNio64?si=k46LoXw6dYtUq4My
 
E1k said:
My thing is why risk that when we see the outcome of level of play with beck? Why bet on unproven talent when the outcome could be that bad?

Im not saying revamp the room, the young guys should see the field but betting on a room with literally 1 proven starting level player is insane. Depending on inexperienced guys to be full blown starters is crazy, they should be rotation players then work their way up to starters

Look at X jacolby the year before last, they had been rotation players that worked their way up. Horton last year was a rotation guy then this year played a big role for us. Not just no experience then full starting role right away, that’s asking for failure
Click to expand...
Are you feeling "go get a proven WR1" from somewhere?

The Sam from Houston wasn't exactly impressive.
 
E1k said:
I agree we need another rb but how can u say wr is fine but rb isn’t when we have more proven experience at rb than wr ??

At rb we at least have a player who has shared a bulk of rb1 carries multiple years. At wr we literally have 1 guy that has played real college snaps. How can we say oh only if it’s a #1 wr like bro we don’t even have 4 proven guys lmao what logic is this
Click to expand...
You are correct and hence why I said go get a #1 if they are available. That all said, I’m at the point where we have had mutiple cycles of recruiting high end WRs, it’s time for them to live up to their billing. Are we Taint or Bama? No, but at this point Mario has us around a top 10 national roster and we play in the ACC.
 
Advertisement
Empirical Cane said:
Are you feeling "go get a proven WR1" from somewhere?

The Sam from Houston wasn't exactly impressive.
Click to expand...
I would still take a player like sam on this team, don’t think people understand how valuable having someone that proven as your wr3-4 is, that level if talent us why we had the #1 offense. And on this team same would be wr1 or 2

Why is everyone against getting proven talent?

We are ok with getting a bunch of proven dbs who all can’t play together at the same time but we don’t want to get proven wrs? Do we have to see the offense be the reason we lose first to actually want more proven talent?

Is it that hard to foresee going into the year with 1 proven wr with a new qb who needs a really good supporting cast around him to be good could hurt us?
 
bobbydigius said:
You are correct and hence why I said go get a #1 if they are available. That all said, I’m at the point where we have had mutiple cycles of recruiting high end WRs, it’s time for them to live up to their billing. Are we Taint or Bama? No, but at this point Mario has us around a top 10 national roster and we play in the ACC.
Click to expand...
What do u say to a school like bama recruiting elite hs wrs yearly still going out and getting a portal wr?

Why does our fanbase think it has to be one or the other, get proven guys and develop the high end recruits.
 
E1k said:
My thing is why risk that when we see the outcome of level of play with beck? Why bet on unproven talent when the outcome could be that bad?

Im not saying revamp the room, the young guys should see the field but betting on a room with literally 1 proven starting level player is insane. Depending on inexperienced guys to be full blown starters is crazy, they should be rotation players then work their way up to starters

Look at X jacolby the year before last, they had been rotation players that worked their way up. Horton last year was a rotation guy then this year played a big role for us. Not just no experience then full starting role right away, that’s asking for failure
Click to expand...
X was a starter the year before. He was tvd favorite option
 
E1k said:
What do u say to a school like bama recruiting elite hs wrs yearly still going out and getting a portal wr?

Why does our fanbase think it has to be one or the other, get proven guys and develop the high end recruits.
Click to expand...
Based on this post, it appears we are in agreement then.
 
Advertisement
E1k said:
I would still take a player like sam on this team, don’t think people understand how valuable having someone that proven as your wr3-4 is, that level if talent us why we had the #1 offense. And on this team same would be wr1 or 2

Why is everyone against getting proven talent?

We are ok with getting a bunch of proven dbs who all can’t play together at the same time but we don’t want to get proven wrs? Do we have to see the offense be the reason we lose first to actually want more proven talent?

Is it that hard to foresee going into the year with 1 proven wr with a new qb who needs a really good supporting cast around him to be good could hurt us?
Click to expand...
I don't disagree with you here...

adding another "right fit" proven WR1/2 would be beneficial to the room and team...

How to get though without tampering?????

and I suspect other teams will try a poach a few Canes this Spring too....👀
 
Advertisement
Hurracanes said:
I would be surprised if Ray Ray is still on team after spring.
Click to expand...
I just don't get the love fest with Ray Ray. No disrespect to the kid, but he has shown nothing to me or the staff so far to warrant being highly concerned if he stays or leaves after spring ball. I think for him it might be best to find another school where he can get his shot to compete. Also, might be better for the younger, extremely more talented players at WR to get more reps and plays with him at another school.
We did this same thing with Jacurri, hoping and begging for the kid to get "his fair shot" and it was obvious to the real ones from early on that he just didn't have it and was never going to have it. And no one wanted it more for the kid than me based on his size and athletic ability, but it just wasn't there at the level we hope to play at.
 
We have to look at WR numbers as much as the lack of a proven WR1. We just don't have enough bodies. Even if Jojo turns out to be phenomenal, and Daniels is back to prior form, and Moore and Baby Jesus are Freshmen AAs, an injury puts the season at risk. And and god help us if there are two at the same time.

Remember that we want to play 16 games this season. It's not just the Domers, Gators and Noles we need to dominate. It's also the Clemson Tigers, Longhorns, Ducks, etc. Injuries will happen.
 
grover said:
We have to look at WR numbers as much as the lack of a proven WR1. We just don't have enough bodies. Even if Jojo turns out to be phenomenal, and Daniels is back to prior form, and Moore and Baby Jesus are Freshmen AAs, an injury puts the season at risk. And and god help us if there are two at the same time.

Remember that we want to play 16 games this season. It's not just the Domers, Gators and Noles we need to dominate. It's also the Clemson Tigers, Longhorns, Ducks, etc. Injuries will happen.
Click to expand...

id like 1 more RB, 1 proven TE, and 1-2 WR, 1-2 LB, and one more DT.
 
AtlAtty said:
Lots of dropped passes, and not having Brock Bowers
Click to expand...
Need those weapons man, they make average qbs look great like Stetson Bennet who we all knew was a jag. There are a lot of qbs who benefited from talent throughout the years, and Cam Ward wasn’t one of them.

You have qbs that are along for the ride and you have qbs that can carry a team like true point guards. It’s one or the other
 
Advertisement
Back
Top