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Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
Not too many qbs get better after getting that big contract, and most teams don’t do well when their qb has a huge contract either.
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The Bengals and Eagles will find out soon enough when they have to deal out big contracts to Burrow and Hurts.

Pat Maholms has played well after his but the untimely injuries have hurt his ability to succeed even more.
 
PIPO said:
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Then don’t beat around the bush and just say his name. I will. Ya’ll are talking about @SWFLHurricane.

He shared what he heard. Looks like in this case, things changed or he got bad info. It happens.
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The main thing never considered is no one is ever going to be 100% with info. No one. I’ve said many times the ONLY people that 100% know what’s going on are those directly involved.

That being said, those that share the info they HEAR, should be appreciated for sharing said info and not be chatised when said info turns out to be incorrect or even slightly different than what was shared.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
You can fill a book with QBs who put up bigger stats in the NFL than they did in college.

It's the role of a head coach to win games, not to make the #6 overall pick a #1 overall pick by letting him throw deep on every play.

The reality is that Herbert had 3 different head coaches and 3 different OC/Co-OC combinations over his first three years. He could have gone pro after his third year, but he had the confidence in Cristobal and Arroyo to come back in 2019. Oregon won more games every single year that Herbert was there, including winning the Pac 12 and Rose Bowl in his final year. Herbet was so well-prepared for the NFL that he was the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.

And most importantly, I've never heard Herbert complain about anything that Cristobal or Arroyo asked of him, and I've never heard him say that he was misused or limited at Oregon.

So if Herbert is fine with how Oregon prepared him for the NFL, why are there stats nerds arguing about whether he could have had "more yardage" at Oregon? And who cares? OREGON WON. Coaches are supposed to win games, not maximize one particular player's draft position at the expense of everyone and everything else.
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i thought he came back to play w his bro? maybe i misread taht. either way, mario was very good w herbert. btw, **** no on arroyo. there are MUCH better OCs out there than that clown. ultimately, we need someone who can push back to mario and not run what mario wants to run bc what mario wants to run will always lead to us being in close games we shouldnt be in based on pace. id like an outsider who varies diff from mario to bring a fresh perspective.
 
PIPO said:
The Bengals and Eagles will find out soon enough when they have to deal out big contracts to Burrow and Hurts.

Pat Maholms has played well after his but the untimely injuries have hurt his ability to succeed even more.
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Yeah this is their window right now. And as much as I think Lamar should get paid, it would be dumb for the ravens to sign him long term. They aren’t going to get better once they overpay him.
 
Da Jumbo Mutombo said:
I agree with you, I think that is who was clearly being called out. But RVA says cribby was also being called out.

Idk, only that initial poster can clearly identify who they were calling out. Wasnt my call out so idk what they meant for sure.

I just laughed at how everyone was tip toeing around the name and pretending it meant everyone (which according to rva, it did, or atleast more than just swfl).
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I appreciate all the info that finds its way here but not all insiders are created equal. Some are more careful with what goes out and take into account the sources, those are the good ones. Others run to the board with any rumor they hear as if its fact. Not as reliable but that doesn't make their posts unwanted at all. Some responsibility lies on the reader to differentiate one from the other and take what they want from the information provided.

Unless someone is blatantly lying, trolling or just looking for attention, I dont think they should be crucified if something turns out differently than they suggested. We can question/debate/revisit something that looks off but we are also all adults that can decide for ourself how to process information a poster brings to the site. If we cant separate how we treat info from one insider to another then shame on us.

As example;
Jumbo Mutombo says something.... I take a good listen
MackMiller says something.... Keep it movin after a quick skim (if that). No use getting caught up in the weeds
 
RVACane said:
Who knows what clauses were regrettably included in the contract. Someone raised earlier whether he needed to be able to get a comparable job as a requirement of the contract. I’m not saying it’s in there but if it is then we can’t just fire him. He could sue us for reputation and career damage potentially. We don’t know what’s going on but it’s been stated in here that it’s more than simply paying a buyout.
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It would be the most "Miami" thing ever, to put that type of power in the employees hand. Sometimes this University doesn't seem to be able to get out of it's own way. I hate to say it, but my gut is telling me that we'll be right back here next year looking for yet another OC.
 
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Hurts is good and I think Chris Simms over stated it a bit which he typically does. But someone is going to overpay for Hurts. Roseman has done an unreal job building that roster. They have an All Star OL Hurts barely gets hit , 2 high level WR, a really good TE and a defense that doesnt put them in holes and gets them the ball. (Top 5 in turnover Differential)

49ers have the defense to to cause problems but I just dont know if they can score enough.
 
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Grabass lying in bed listening to Bruno Mars Lazy Song swearing that today he's not doing anything he's just gonna lie in his bed.
 
Warrior808 said:
I appreciate all the info that finds its way here but not all insiders are created equal. Some are more careful with what goes out and take into account the sources, those are the good ones. Others run to the board with any rumor they hear as if its fact. Not as reliable but that doesn't make their posts unwanted at all. Some responsibility lies on the reader to differentiate one from the other and take what they want from the information provided.

Unless someone is blatantly lying, trolling or just looking for attention, I dont think they should be crucified if something turns out differently than they suggested. We can question/debate/revisit something that looks off but we are also all adults that can decide for ourself how to process information a poster brings to the site. If we cant separate how we treat info from one insider to another then shame on us.

As example;
Jumbo Mutombo says something.... I take a good listen
MackMiller says something.... Keep it movin after a quick skim (if that). No use getting caught up in the weeds
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MackMiller

Season 2 Lol GIF by Friends

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Lazarre said:
I think having a OC already agreed upon would only work if it’s an unemployed coach or NFL guy. I wouldn’t think a Head Coach from another school would be alright with waiting for Mario to make his move.
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Right… Marcus Arroyo has been fired since the start of December, reports say Mario has been interviewing since December.. it’s possible
 
hoops156 said:
i thought he came back to play w his bro? maybe i misread taht. either way, mario was very good w herbert. btw, **** no on arroyo. there are MUCH better OCs out there than that clown. ultimately, we need someone who can push back to mario and not run what mario wants to run bc what mario wants to run will always lead to us being in close games we shouldnt be in based on pace. id like an outsider who varies diff from mario to bring a fresh perspective.
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And I'm not advocating for Arroyo, I just didn't understand where this fake myth about him being some "disaster" comes from.

While your ideas on outsiders and perspective are interesting, I really can't think of too many head coaches hire based on that. And I'm not sure why we think that Gattis was just doing what Mario wanted him to do, when Mario pushed back on Gattis and told him to get on the same page with Ponce, which then resulted in some actual improvement.

I'm not sure about "pace". Has Mario been insisting on the "look-at-me" playcalling under all of his prior OCs? I do agree with you, I hated what we ran last year, but I'm just not sure Gattis was doing it because that was what Mario demanded.

"Buck stops here", I get it when it comes to everything being Mario's ultimate responsibility. But I think that some of his (bad) hires are the ones who actually did certain problematic things. Now it's time for Mario to fix those mistakes.
 
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TheOriginalCane said:
And I'm not advocating for Arroyo, I just didn't understand where this fake myth about him being some "disaster" comes from.

While your ideas on outsiders and perspective are interesting, I really can't think of too many head coaches hire based on that. And I'm not sure why we think that Gattis was just doing what Mario wanted him to do, when Mario pushed back on Gattis and told him to get on the same page with Ponce, which then resulted in some actual improvement.

I'm not sure about "pace". Has Mario been insisting on the "look-at-me" playcalling under all of his prior OCs? I do agree with you, I hated what we ran last year, but I'm just not sure Gattis was doing it because that was what Mario demanded.

"Buck stops here", I get it when it comes to everything being Mario's ultimate responsibility. But I think that some of his (bad) hires are the ones who actually did certain problematic things. Now it's time for Mario to fix those mistakes.
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he wasnt a disaster. just nothing special and we could do better
 
TheOriginalCane said:
And I'm not advocating for Arroyo, I just didn't understand where this fake myth about him being some "disaster" comes from.

While your ideas on outsiders and perspective are interesting, I really can't think of too many head coaches hire based on that. And I'm not sure why we think that Gattis was just doing what Mario wanted him to do, when Mario pushed back on Gattis and told him to get on the same page with Ponce, which then resulted in some actual improvement.

I'm not sure about "pace". Has Mario been insisting on the "look-at-me" playcalling under all of his prior OCs? I do agree with you, I hated what we ran last year, but I'm just not sure Gattis was doing it because that was what Mario demanded.

"Buck stops here", I get it when it comes to everything being Mario's ultimate responsibility. But I think that some of his (bad) hires are the ones who actually did certain problematic things. Now it's time for Mario to fix those mistakes.
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It might be a little unfair that Marcus Arroyo appears on this list, but when the former offensive coordinator took the head coaching job at UNLV, no one in Eugene shed a tear. In his three seasons at Oregon, the Ducks went 26-12 and won the 2020 Rose Bowl. But there were several times where the offense was stagnant, even with Justin Herbert at quarterback and a lot of people felt the playcalling under Arroyo was questionable at best. Herbert had Heisman Trophy talent, but it seemed like he was handcuffed in Arroyo's offense, despite the overall success."


Consider that Arroyo, who prior to taking the Oregon OC position was virtually and vocally (and for a long time as stated in many interviews) in love with the pistol offense. He then proceeded to install the very same offense at UNLV and well... you've seen the results.

From oregon writers. Sound familiar?
 
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Warrior808 said:
I appreciate all the info that finds its way here but not all insiders are created equal. Some are more careful with what goes out and take into account the sources, those are the good ones. Others run to the board with any rumor they hear as if its fact. Not as reliable but that doesn't make their posts unwanted at all. Some responsibility lies on the reader to differentiate one from the other and take what they want from the information provided.

Unless someone is blatantly lying, trolling or just looking for attention, I dont think they should be crucified if something turns out differently than they suggested. We can question/debate/revisit something that looks off but we are also all adults that can decide for ourself how to process information a poster brings to the site. If we cant separate how we treat info from one insider to another then shame on us.

As example;
Jumbo Mutombo says something.... I take a good listen
MackMiller says something.... Keep it movin after a quick skim (if that). No use getting caught up in the weeds
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I'm not an insider and have never claimed to be one
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
Team Rankings only uses stats between fbs teams so I use Them. I don’t care how any team performs against an fcs team they can overpower with their 3rd team and is over by halftime.

College Football Stats - College FB Team Pass Attempts per Game | TeamRankings.com

College Football pass attempts per game, by team.
www.teamrankings.com www.teamrankings.com

And a difference in 6 pass attempts per game is about 60 more yds per game (based on LSU’s ypa ) and 700-800 yds per season. For every 100 yds, that usually equates To 1 more TD, so it’s not negligible as I think you are implying
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You didn’t specify which nerd stat you wanted to use, but the point still stands. Oregon had more pass attempts per game than tOSU and OU. So were Ryan Day and Lincoln Riley ruining their QBs as well?
 
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