Josh Gattis (before its deleted)

[Salt]

Nope. If he takes a lower-paying job, Miami will pay the difference.

This is not a "voluntary" leaving. Interwebz porsters may not see what is happening behind the scenes, but this is not "Josh Gattis randomly going out to find another job after a year".

I stand corrected on the payment. I don't think anyone is saying that this is voluntary by any means, at least not me. I left "leaves" in quotes for a reason.

 

[GrozDozer]

Calling yourself sinister and having some *** superhero as your avatar.

Yeah you’re a xxxxxxx.

 

[hoops156]

And see, your post NAILS it.

Lots of CIS porsters who act like "Gattis is a bad guy" was the most obvious thing ever. Not true.

Were there SIGNS? Sure. But nothing definitive. "Change in job responsibilities"? Sure, happens a lot, though. "Disgruntled U-M interwebz porsters"? Sure, happens ALL THE TIME.

And I've said it a million times, but THIS IS WHY WE NEED ALONZO. People like to mock and minimize, but Alonzo's MULTI-YEAR JOB was to go around to dozens (maybe hundreds?) of colleges and get the inside scoops. Which player is overrated? Which guy is a hard-worker who can blossom in the NFL? Which assessments from coaches are bullcrap, and who are the guys I can trust? Do any of these coaches have an agenda?

Like it or not, Alonzo had a job that relied on gossip and whispers and information that wasn't public knowledge. And he did a **** great job of monitoring the college football landscape.

Mario hired Gattis before Alonzo was on-board. I tend to believe that if Alonzo had been hired in December, he would have compiled dossiers on Gattis and Addae, and maybe Miami doesn't hire those guys.

So let's see what happens this year.

And this is why we are not going to hire Kiffin or Mullen or Frost or anyone else with a sketchy ego/personality/character flaws, unless we are fundamentally committed to going full-Saban-rehab. And I don't think Miami is quite there yet.

regarding Gattis, him fighting with fans on twitter was prolly sign 1 lol

 

[Cane6]

I know it didn't surprise you one bit, nor anyone on this board, because everyone on this board knows more than the people who do this for a living. We all know that. But it surprised MANY people who actually follow the sport nationally, who talk to people who know those in the coaching fraternity...people who wrote articles ad nauseum about how great this guy was, how he's on the fast track to success, how lucky we are to get him.

And he gets here and not only does he not do a good job, which I guess I could live with, but he's an abrasive personality, he clashes with every and anyone, he's standoffish, he doesn't recruit...it's like he was a completely different person than anyone reported on before he got here. James Franklin hired him, Nick Saban hired him, Jim Harbaugh hired him, he didn't sabotage those programs or torch them with negativity, yet when he gets here, he's an unmitigated disaster in every single capacity, both personally and professionally? Again, I just cannot figure out how this happens to Miami and nobody else. And it's not a Mario thing, either.

The crux of this is “responsibility”

Gattis’ first time as an OC was at Mich and it didn’t go well. Biff and Weiss had to save the offense. This has been discussed and documented… see Josh Patte video from September

Prior to Michigan, he was at Bama and the first time out of the James Franklin nest, He clashed with Locksley who was the unquestioned plsycaller there

Gattis is running back to the Franklin nest now like a spoiled child

 

[KANE]

Almost everything I've read about him straight up says he sucked everywhere he's been and coaches didn't like him or even hated him. I'm sure there are some nice articles on him obviously but i looked when his name came up as potentially being our OC and it was 80% bad.

-Dude straight up lied about calling plays at Bama. Huge red flag, Locksley (the actual offensive coordinator who called plays) absolutely hates the guy. Seemed pretty dismissive of his coaching abilities as well.

-Nobody at Michigan liked him. He called plays his first two years and the offense was so bad Harbaugh almost got fired. They then let Weiss, who was only an analyst, call plays and mostly game plan (Harbaugh was much more hands on as well). Gattis was not allowed to call plays and basically just assisted with game planning the Weiss/Harbaugh offense.

-After that first food year Harbaugh almost left for the NFL and the AD started sending out feelers for his replacement. Gattis wasn't even considered, he got super butthurt. On top of that, Harbaugh promoted Weiss to be co-OC since he was already running the offense anyway. This was obviously a bad look for Gattis since it was now public and this is when Mario swooped in and hired him after apparently doing poor due diligence.

He's always sucked and has failed upwards somehow from what I can tell.

Thanks for this, I was gonna bring it to the table myself. So what happened? Add the bolded (He can't call plays), his personality (nobody, kids or coaches, likes him) his habit of ****ing off other coaches....throw in all the injuries we had, the remnants of Manny's culture of entitlement, and lack of explosive playmakers....... there you have it. He got the Broyles award because he was the OC of note during UMich's turnaround.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

regarding Gattis, him fighting with fans on twitter was prolly sign 1 lol

I'd also say this. When I walk around Hecht now, we have a LOT more employees. There are a BUNCH of people who monitor the boards and the internet (hello, team!).

What you or I may learn about Gattis on THIS SITE may not have been the same as the intel dossier that Mario was able to assemble at this point last year.

I'm not trying to be blindly optimistic. I think there are ARTICULABLE upgrades that we've made that could very well prevent this type of mistake in the future.

That is all.

 

[Zombie-Cane]

Keyboard ***** wouldnt dare say that **** to face

I could be wrong, I honestly do not think I am, but it is a possibility, albeit very small, but isn't calling someone a keyboard ***** and typing exactly what you did to him the actual definition of a keyboard *****?!?!

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

This guy won the Broyles Award. Coached at majorly prestigious programs. Continued to ascend from position coach, to coordinator, etc. I know there were some things at Michigan that were not all roses, but by all accounts, this dude was a rising star in the coaching profession. I read article after article when he was hired about how we'd be lucky to keep him for 2 years, that he's a shoe-in to be a college head coach, raving about his leadership skills, etc.

And he gets here, and in 1 year, he's a complete loser? He walked in the door and became an immediate pulsing malignant tumor with zero tangible skills and completely bombed? How is that even possible? It's not like Mario is the only guy who'd have hired this dude. Again, I read he'd have endless opportunities once he left Michigan, but the allure of Miami (aka the massive contract) pulled him from where he was comfortable and again accelerated his rapidly soaring career. And in 1 year, he's a fraud and a loser and needs to be shot into the sun?

Are we really just this unlucky? Look at the list of Broyles Award winners for the past 10 or so years. They're all HC's, essentially. Pat Narduzzi, Tom Herman, Lincoln Riley, Brent Venables, Tony Elliott, Mike Locksley, Steve Sarkisian. Kirby Smart won it, Gus Malzahn won it. But the guy who we poach off the list is a fraud? How the **** is this possible? How ******* cursed is this program?

It was a bad fit to come here from the beginning, and he somehow rode coattails to promotions. Who doesn’t look great at Alabama? And I pointed out that 2 out of his 3 seasons at Michigan churned out mediocre offenses or worse. He offense maxed out ranked in the 30’s one year with the best ol in the country and a newly hired co-oc to help him. Not surprised he didn’t pan out

 

[hoops156]

I'd also say this. When I walk around Hecht now, we have a LOT more employees. There are a BUNCH of people who monitor the boards and the internet (hello, team!).

What you or I may learn about Gattis on THIS SITE may not have been the same as the intel dossier that Mario was able to assemble at this point last year.

I'm not trying to be blindly optimistic. I think there are ARTICULABLE upgrades that we've made that could very well prevent this type of mistake in the future.

That is all.

oh i agree w you. im not saying mario shouldve known hed be a useless tool beforehand. ****, i wasnt even super down on the hire when it was first happened until the spring game (which made me nervous) and then early part of the season (where i was done). it was until i did my own research on him to figure out the rest

 

[Miami[]_[]Smoke]

Almost everything I've read about him straight up says he sucked everywhere he's been and coaches didn't like him or even hated him. I'm sure there are some nice articles on him obviously but i looked when his name came up as potentially being our OC and it was 80% bad.

-Dude straight up lied about calling plays at Bama. Huge red flag, Locksley (the actual offensive coordinator who called plays) absolutely hates the guy. Seemed pretty dismissive of his coaching abilities as well.

-Nobody at Michigan liked him. He called plays his first two years and the offense was so bad Harbaugh almost got fired. They then let Weiss, who was only an analyst, call plays and mostly game plan (Harbaugh was much more hands on as well). Gattis was not allowed to call plays and basically just assisted with game planning the Weiss/Harbaugh offense.

-After that first food year Harbaugh almost left for the NFL and the AD started sending out feelers for his replacement. Gattis wasn't even considered, he got super butthurt. On top of that, Harbaugh promoted Weiss to be co-OC since he was already running the offense anyway. This was obviously a bad look for Gattis since it was now public and this is when Mario swooped in and hired him after apparently doing poor due diligence.

He's always sucked and has failed upwards somehow from what I can tell.

It’s funny how many people know this but Mario couldn’t figure it in his 4-day interview

 

[passitback]

regarding Gattis, him fighting with fans on twitter was prolly sign 1 lol

I remember that ****, loser Kirby got mad when I suggested he start fundraising for better facilities. This occurred years before he was fired. Total loser.

 

[AlexCane]

Gattis being a disaster did t surprise me one bit.

A more appropriate question I ask, “how did Mario allow this to happen?”

I am not defending Mario, but perhaps he had too much on his plate.

He's got to move and uproot his family cross-country. When he arrives here, we're dead in the middle of recruiting and he's got to analyze and assess recruits committed to Manny and perhaps pursue targets that he may not have been familiar with from his time in Oregon. And then he needs to fill his coaching staff, and he is doing all of this without the needed assistance and infrastructure to help him accomplish it (like Alonzo). And then we know on top of all this, that Mario is also involved in facility upgrades and ensuring that the program has the needed financial commitment to look like what he wants it to look like.

It is entirely possible that the big headline/label of Broyles award winner may have buried concerns; or maybe he skipped out on due diligence because "Broyles award, bro."

EDIT: And btw, we know Mario's mom was ill and passed away in March. Anyone with elderly parents knows that too becomes a burden and a responsibility. IDK. Just guessing.

 

[hoops156]

I am not defending Mario, but perhaps he had too much on his plate.

He's got to move and uproot his family cross-country. When he arrives here, we're dead in the middle of recruiting and he's got to analyze and assess recruits committed to Manny and perhaps pursue targets that he may not have been familiar with from his time in Oregon. And then he needs to fill his coaching staff, and he is doing all of this without the needed assistance and infrastructure to help him accomplish it (like Alonzo). And then we know on top of all this, that Mario is also involved in facility upgrades and ensuring that the program has the needed financial commitment to look like what he wants it to look like.

It is entirely possible that the big headline/label of Broyles award winner may have buried concerns; or maybe he skipped out on due diligence because "Broyles award, bro."

counter point: lanning coached in a title game and moved across the country similarly

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

Moore was named Co-OC with Gattis his final year and WEiss was promoted to QBC. WEiss became the CO-OC when Gattis left.

Sherrone Moore Explains Co-OC Role, Involvement In Run Game

Sherrone Moore is now Michigan's offensive line coach and co-offensive coordinator. He explains how all of that is coming together.

www.si.com

the offense struggled the first 2 years w gattis as sole OC and harbaugh restructured his staff gattis final season including adding a Co-OC.

Appreciate that. Didn’t realize they had a co-OC also while Gattis was still there.

 

[AlexCane]

counter point: lanning coached in a title game and moved across the country similarly

Sure. Fair. But I suspect Oregon had the infrastructure, resources, staff, etc. to assist Lanning more than Mario may have had here.

/don't know obviously, just guessing.

 

[OrangeBowlMagic]

counter point: lanning coached in a title game and moved across the country similarly

Counter counter point: Lanning inherited a roster that was built by a real head football coach, while leading a real football program.

Mario inherited a roster that was built by a defensive coordinator who had the resources of Stranahan High School for 20 years.

 

[hoops156]

Sure. Fair. But I suspect Oregon had the infrastructure, resources, staff, etc. to assist Lanning more than Mario may have had here.

/don't know obviously, just guessing.

im sure he had people to assist. i think marios insistence on hiring the assistants hurt

 

[hoops156]

Counter counter point: Lanning inherited a roster that was built by a real head football coach, while leading a real football program.

Mario inherited a roster that was built by a defensive coordinator who had the resources of Stranahan High School for 20 years.

lanning literally went out and grabbed two new WRs, new RBs, and a new QB that all played over marios guys. i mean look we can make excuses, but its plain as day that mario failed on his own right in hiring a staff likely w being firm on him hiring the assistants

 

[RVACane]

Calling yourself sinister and having some *** superhero as your avatar.

Yeah you’re a xxxxxxx.

Can’t use this word. It gets flagged by the search engines.

You guys are getting too comfortable with insults again. We’re probably going to have to crack down again.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

im sure he had people to assist. i think marios insistence on hiring the assistants hurt

True.

I'd also point out the AD transition that Mario had, that Lanning may not have had.

I'd say last year (December-February) at UM was a freaking disaster on many levels, and I'm amazed that we landed a great recruiting class in the middle of all the chaos.