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SWFLHurricane said:
I'm hearing rumblings about Riley...
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ScharfCane said:
Didnt Gattis basically do the same thing last year (except his team lost in the semifinals)...
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That’s a fair point, but there were reports that Gattis was disgruntled about not being considered for the Michigan HC job when Harbaugh was flirting with returning to the NFL.
 
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Rickd said:
Totally different scenario. Gattis WANTED OUT of Michigan as he had a falling out with the administration. He thought he was next in line for the HC position at Michigan. When Harbaugh left to interview with the Vikings for the HC job in January the administration immediately prepared a list of candidates to interview ... and it was leaked ... Gattis didn't even make the list. He was ****ed ... even tweeted his players "would you stay at a place where you were not wanted?". Mario had struck out on his attempts to hire several candidates ... with Jason Candle changing his tune and opting out due to not being able to hire any of his assistants. Clock was running ... Mario "grabbed" the "Broyles Award Winner", and Gattis leaped at the opportunity to get out of Michigan. Backfired.
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Really, ALL the other assistant coaches at Michigan wanted GATTIS out...not the other way around. He caused alot of dissension the last yr there with them.
 
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Bender said:
Let me think... nah.
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Look, you can't deny Dykes offensive production his entire career as a coach with different OCs, then see that same production and say it's not him.

The reason we want Riley is the system. Not because we need him to be some elite play caller.
 
Rickd said:
Totally different scenario. Gattis WANTED OUT of Michigan as he had a falling out with the administration. He thought he was next in line for the HC position at Michigan. When Harbaugh left to interview with the Vikings for the HC job in January the administration immediately prepared a list of candidates to interview ... and it was leaked ... Gattis didn't even make the list. He was ****ed ... even tweeted his players "would you stay at a place where you were not wanted?". Mario had struck out on his attempts to hire several candidates ... with Jason Candle changing his tune and opting out due to not being able to hire any of his assistants. Clock was running ... Mario "grabbed" the "Broyles Award Winner", and Gattis leaped at the opportunity to get out of Michigan. Backfired.
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Gattis tweeting "would you stay at a place where you were not wanted?" is some ironic ****. What a difference a year made to him.
 
calinative umstudent said:
Look, you can't deny Dykes offensive production his entire career as a coach with different OCs, then see that same production and say it's not him.

The reason we want Riley is the system. Not because we need him to be some elite play caller.
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The scheme of the offense at TCU is completely different from what he ran at SMU when Riley wasn't there.

To say its Dykes system solely is about as accurate as saying that teams run a 4-3 defense as base and all Air Raid teams do is throw the ball.

Riley brought in tons of run game concepts out of various alignments and included them into an offense that had Air Raid principles (what a shocker, Riley learned Air Raid from Leach, not Dykes).

The reason why Dykes brought Riley in is because they speak offensive football through the same terminology and it makes things easier for a HC to talk to your OC when you both speak the same schematic language.

But to say that Riley is merely calling Dykes scheme (its not his scheme in the first place) is too simplistic in my estimate. Riley deserves a ton of credit for what he has done at TCU and SMU.
 
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Bender said:
The scheme of the offense at TCU is completely different from what he ran at SMU.
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...which was completely different than what he ran at Cal and which was different than what he ran at LaTech?...
Riley was also OC final year at SMU.
 
calinative umstudent said:
...which was completely different than what he ran at Cal and which was different than what he ran at LaTech?...
Riley was also OC final year at SMU.
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I edited my comment to bring more context into what I was saying. Getting late.
 
Bender said:
The scheme of the offense at TCU is completely different from what he ran at SMU when Riley wasn't there.

To say its Dykes system solely is about as accurate as saying that teams run a 4-3 defense as base and all Air Raid teams do is throw the ball.

Riley brought in tons of run game concepts out of various alignments and included them into an offense that had Air Raid principles (what a shocker, Riley learned Air Raid from Leach, not Dykes).

The reason why Dykes brought Riley in is because they speak offensive football through the same terminology and it makes things easier for a HC to talk to your OC when you both speak the same schematic language.

But to say that Riley is merely calling Dykes scheme (its not his scheme in the first place) is too simplistic in my estimate. Riley deserves a ton of credit for what he has done at TCU and SMU.
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But I'm not saying Riley doesn't deserve any credit or that he shouldn't be our OC. I said that this TCU offense would be just as good without him. And it would be. Dykes has earned that. It would probably be a little different, but it wouldn't be anything drastic, and the results would basically be the same...

I'm really not trying to argue negatively about Riley. I'm more speaking positively about Dykes.
 
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calinative umstudent said:
But I'm not saying Riley doesn't deserve any credit or that he shouldn't be our OC. I said that this TCU offense would be just as good without him
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So Riley being the OC makes no difference to TCU, but you are not saying that Riley does not deserve any credit. You may see the issue of this statement here.

Regardless of that, Riley has put a completely different note into a Dykes coached team and its evident on film.
 
TimeBum said:
It is interesting that Dykes wasn't totally happy with Lashlee. Thought he was too focused on trying to force a run game. As soon as Lashlee left, Dykes said he wanted to go back to a "true Air Raid" and hired Riley. Flash forward a couple years and Dykes takes over a 5 win TCU team and is playing for a natty in his first season. I don't think Cristobal has any interest in an air raid based offense, so I doubt the Riley rumor has legs.

Seems more likely it's being teased to the fans so that after Riley re-ups with TCU for 2+ million, Cristobal can justify bringing back Gattis by leading us to believe he tried to upgrade the offense, but his top choice stuck with TCU.
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Too late! No one here is falling for that boulschitt. He can certainly recruit - but his "vision" on offense is where Saban was - WAS - years ago - and HE had to change his mind about OFFENSE as football has CHANGED.

Mario made two mistakes - and refuses to admit either one. The "Vision" or the hire. And a few other of his hires didn't show me siht, either. Good back in their day - but not in today's game of football.
 
Bender said:
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So Riley being the OC makes no difference to TCU, but you are not saying that Riley does not deserve any credit. You may see the issue of this statement here.

Regardless of that, Riley has put a completely different note into a Dykes coached team and its evident on film.
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Riley is doing good at OC at TCU right now. If he wasn't there Dykes would have someone else at OC that would be putting up the same results - just like he has at literally EVERY single school he has been at. Dudes consistently got a top 15-20 offense with multiple years at different schools in top 5-10...

Don't think what I'm saying is that crazy
 
section9 said:
Listen guys. You know how this works.

Garrett is a promising Offensive Guru. Which means he goes to learn under the Sith Lord at Bama for three years until Saban retires.

Dabo goes to Bama.

Garrett Riley goes to Clemson as HC.

As for us? By this time we’re on year four of Gattis and 8-5.
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NO WAY a Gaddis offense wins eight games!

He couldn't win 8 games if the opposing teams just sat on the sidelines.
 
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